An Interesting View on Paganism

[SqueezetheShaman]

i think i know the problem, you seem very defensive. i know when people get uncomfortable with the validity of a truth, they can react with anger, etc. the impression i get from you is that perhaps you aren't sure of your beliefs since you can't discuss them with a sense of peace. is that a problem for you, do you think?

 

[Havoc]

disbelief in the bible is simply saying that jesus isn't telling the truth. If they believed He was telling the truth, then they would believe the words in the bible. It's as simple as that, Mylinkay.

That might be true if you could show that Jesus actually said any of the things attributed to him in the Bible. You cannot.

You choose to believe ythe Bible is true. You do it based of your choice to believe that your God is real. That is your choice. It's not a choice based on substantive, objective evidence, because there isn't any. This is why you have to resort to subjectives such as telling us the proof "is all around us". If it were real proof you could quantify it, reproduce it, verify it, and show it to us point by point. You cannot.

I don't believe what the Bible has to say about God and Christ. You do. I believe in my Gods and Goddesses. You don't. Neither of us can prove our beliefs, but only one of us is foolish enough to claim to be able to.

 

[dlamberth]

First of all, none of us is any better than anyone else. Making such judgments is done to feel superior.

The spirit of your post clearly comes across as you seeing yourself as better than those who do not worship Jesus. You have accused us of all sorts of evil associated event that make us "lesser" than you.

You even told one person:

What's coherent to you is psychosis.

This is clearly a statement of a person who see's themselves as superior over another. My sense, Carico, is that this attitude you have is a natural occurrence as a result of your keen interest in things that are evil. If one has Jesus they are right with God, everyone else is "other" and thus are inferior and morally deprived.

And I can't count the number of times you have told us "others" that we are morally deprived. Because you see yourself as not morally deprived, you are thus somehow superior.


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[Boanerge]

Ok, the last time i checked this there was only one page... but ok.. My replies were based on WayMans replies. I didnt mean to emphasize so much on Wicca, but the thought is General, you can interchange "wicca" with the names of other religions if you want. I'm sorry if i sound to sure of myself. But its all for the honor and glory of God. (you can be closed minded or you can shut me off simply because i am a christian. What good are my words to you if you read them to ignore them?) Well.. Here goes. Hopefully there some insightful things here.....

 

[Boanerge]

WayMan

I have never heard of a wiccan claiming anything like as ridiculous as what the christians would have us believe, nor have I ever heard of a wiccan torturing anyone or burning someone to death.

yield

Assuming you know what it means to be Christian, Wayman? Apparently, you judge a book by its cover. If not, you would never consider Christians to believe in something ridiculous. Why do I say this? Because not all Christians are Witch-torching, Muslim-killing, Angry-Hell-condemning Christians, as a matter of fact these titles are "oxymoron". Like saying Dry water... If water was dry it would not be water… Therefore if a Christian is an Angry-Hell-Condemner he is not a Christian. What do I mean by Angry Hell Condemner? Every Christian knows that They can not assume someone is going to Hell, they are AWARE that certain actions can LEAD a person to Hell; But a non-believer cannot Actually Go to Hell because a Christian "Said so". And any non-believer that gets mad at a Christian that told them to "go to hell", got fooled, because no Christian will ever wish a soul to enter Hell. A Christian Does not become angry because someone is Ignorant, they dust their feet off and walk away. It has been told to Ezekiel, and all Servants of God, that we are to be like Watchmen, If someone dies without knowing the truth, without understanding God's love, and the watchman simply stood quiet: not letting them know about their creator, the watchmen is accountable. If a watchman preaches God's word and s/he makes a non-believer Curse God, the watchman is accountable. If, however, the watchman did make things clear, YET the non-believer insists to remain a non-believer, Then the non-believer is accountable of their own actions, the watchman walks away and continues preaching the simple Gospel of God.. For there is nothing one can do, nothing one can say to an ignorant heart, many have heard the phrase "ignorance is bliss", one must be ignorant to the cries of his heart because of the agony of pain, or else that person will suffer, this is why they are ignorant. In the process, they walk blind to the fact that their wounds can be healed! they Go to doctors they go to psychiatrics, but the Wound that matters most, the wound engraved deeply in their hearts, the wounds that need to be healed, the wound that is the root of all other wounds, is ignored. Pain is like "weeds". You cut it at the leaves and it continues to grow, until you take it out from the ground, from the roots. Every farmer knows that weeds harm the crops. A farmer does not allow the weeds to grow freely, assuming that "it is meant to be". Every farmer finds a way to get rid of the weeds, lest their crops become ruined. Our soul is the Farmer, our mind is the tools and methods, and our heart is the field and crop. What good is a Farmer if he does not know how to use his tools to drive out these harmful weeds? This is the foundation of Christianity. Christianity is not about Killing and spreading lies, its finding a way to remove these "WEEDS". Not only Does the Christian Faith possess the Tools to take out these weeds and mend their fields, so are every other religion out there. It's not about making believe you’re happy. It's about Truth. we MUST find a way to be happy, or else our souls will suffer. The Farmer will starve to death if her crops become plagued with famines. See, but not every Farmer knows how to use their tools. She can use scissors to trim the weeds in her farm, while he can use those same scissors to destroy someone else’s farm. Same scissors, different methods. Therefore every Soul has a mind that they must use "wisely", not "the best way they see fit". (to be continued)

 

[Boanerge]

A Farmer saw that his farm was being overshadowed by another, let us call this jealousy. The Farmer then goes and destroys the other farm. He's happier now. But then this huge cloud of pests infests his farm. Upon destroying another mans farm, the Farmer now carries TWICE as much pests and bugs, which rapidly eats away at his food and crops; let us call this guilt. The Farmer who destroyed the other mans farm, did not use his mind "wisely", not only does one suffer, but they Both suffered! What a horrible loss! For they are Both farmers! Had they worked together they would have gathered much crops, but one detested the other, so one destroyed the field of the other, and both fields got destroyed. What a great loss this was. Do not be confused, the crops is not the "religion", the method and tools is the "religion", the field and crops is the "feelings". I have grown to understand that Christianity is in fact the true way of cultivating and producing the best crops and the richest fields, with the finest tools; but one of my favorite quotes comes from Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility." and the more potential one has to succeed the more potential one has to fail dramatically. I have explored Wicca’s methods, it produced good crops, at the same time it took decades to master, it is like the mailman who walks when he can use a bike. the bugs are going wild this season, Wicca no longer can produce crops fast enough to stay healthy. to remain Wicca is to go from bad to worse. Wicca gathers only 1/4 of her crops, while 3/4ths are sacrificed to the bugs. Therefore I question this method, is it worth it? Wicca makes food for only their families, for 1/4th is only enough for them and their families. But What good does it do, to live in such a vast and diverse world if you live it to yourself without being able to share with others? The Only thing Wicca can share is their methods, which are not productive enough. I don’t speak only to Wicca’s but I ask all religions to examine their methods, even the atheistic method: For beliefs are the tools by which we tend our fields. We all believe in something. If you don’t, then I ask you, do you believe you will wake up tomorrow? Do you believe the ground will hold up the next step you take? Saying “To Know Not is To Believe" is a foolish statement, because one MUST know in order to believe. For how can you believe if you do not know that you will wake up tomorrow? One MUST know, in order to believe. An atheist KNOWS he does not believe in God; this is the basis of his beliefs. Therefore when one compares the beliefs of Wicca with Christianity, it is like comparing a boat to an airplane. Real paganism vs. Fake paganism is like comparing an old boat to a new boat; no matter how you see it, they are still boats. If you choose to criticize Christianity, I ask you with honesty, Please Close your eyes, and listen first. If closing your eyes requires you to listen to yourself, then I beg you to listen to yourself more closely. For the Final decision is always yours to make. If you tell me that closing your eyes is a foolish way which implies being “blind to Reality”, then I tell you that foolish is he who allows the world to hurt him, knowing he has a method of protection. Things are not always what they seem, that is why I ask you to Listen then to base everything on what your eyes take in. For not everything your eyes take in are Truth, nor Healthy. “But Boanerge, doesn’t the bible say ‘It’s not what goes in that harms you, it’s what comes out.’? But you are telling me otherwise”. (to be continued)

 

[Boanerge]

Good question, If I told you that I slept with your partner (a lie), how will that make you feel? If you took in this lie and got upset and angry and etc, that lie, which is “taken in” and planted in your heart, produced grief, and pain “the fruits” that will then “come out”. This ladies and gents is what Jesus spoke about; this is what can harm you and others. OR you can hear the lie and not take it in, hearing is not taking in, accepting as truth is taking in. When you accept as truth something that is a lie, that lie will turn into hazardous weeds that have the potential to utterly destroy your crops- Your Life- and others. “But pain is good to experience”, some say. Sure, But common sense says "It’s good to know you shouldn’t drive with your eyes closed, and it’s evil to keep doing it." Should I go having sex with a girl, just once, since it’s a "good" to know what it is? Honestly, This is like saying “it is good to know how it feels to get shot.” Who here wants to go through such tremendous pain? Ah… But sex, sex is special, because sex is not apparently dangerous on the outside. On the Outside sex is not like a gun shot. But A gun shot works its magic in the physical realm (Outside) while Sex works its magic in the spiritual realm (inside, Heart). You can not compare a gun shot to sex, since they do not seem the same on the outside. So why did I compare them? Outside they seem different, but on the inside they are offspring of Pain. I will not dwell in the topic of Sex for too long since it is of a complex structure. There is so much to write about but I do not have all the time in the world. To conclude my reply to Wayman’s quote: you do not hear Wicca claim what Christianity claims because for a Christian, there is much more at risk, a Christian has tools that can utterly destroy or abundantly heal. Wicca is primitive, compared to Christianity. For Christianity knows it is possible to know their Creator. For what good is having the ability to heal or hurt, if you do not know where it comes from? And when you do find out, are you prepared to meet the supplier of your power? Have you been using or abusing this borrowed power? So do I imply that God is the supplier of Evil? Yet another topic I want to elaborate on. But for the Record, God does supply all power; it’s what you do with that power which determines who your Father is. To make things more clear, God is not the Father of Evil... Teaching you how to recognize "evil" and teaching you how to use your power of "good" to conquer "evil", is not the same as teaching you how to label 'evil' as 'good' and/or vise versa; and teaching you how to use your power for personal gains (that is to say: evil deeds). The Former is Christianity, the Latter is otherwise. (As a matter of fact, the latter is what a true Christian would label as "false Christianity". For all humans, aware of the truth, know they have power, and they know that power can be used for good or for evil. Life is all about being a Child of God, or a False one.) Yet all Christians know what evil will come to. This is a destiny which will never change and no one can change it: Good will overcome Evil whether you accept it or not. But why does evil seem to prevail in this world? Look, I once thought I was failing in junior high school, I thought I was never going to graduate, until I did. Similarly, Life has not reached the "day of graduation" yet. Everything seems like its failing, but hold strong to the truth and you will succeed. So we must study, work hard, do what is right, and graduation will be the most beautiful day in the world. However, for those who know they haven’t done what they should be doing, should fear Graduation Day (AKA the End times). (to be continued)

 

[Boanerge]

Yet everyone should fear the end time, I do. We are all humans, and if my brother is not ready too face the day then I also can not face the day, even if I have done good, it does not matter, for it will be a waste if only I graduate while those around me flunk... I want us all to leave this life with a smile on our face, so that all our pain and suffering has not gone in vain. I will not go smiling if those I speak to do not go smiling. So I suggest that those who criticize the Christian should open their eyes. For on this narrow and dangerous path of the "Christian Way", Evil constantly persecutes, rests a priceless treasure, which is not easy to acquire. Why is it so dangerous? Why should it not? Evil fears this treasure and it will do everything it can to lure us away from finding it. The first step is to deny that the treasure even exists. The next step of Evil is to destroy the best "method" that can find it. Ironically Christians are the only ones who can destroy the "Christian Way". Therefore only a Child of God can ruin a Child of God. (The Anti-Christ is destruction from within&#8230 What I speak of is not New, many have thought about it. For an example of an evil usage of Power, think of Hitler and Mohammad, who tried to focus the Power only on one type of nation. Not knowing that this corrupt use of the Lord’s power is the way of the Anti-Christ. As a matter of fact, for Christians out there, the Antichrist System is not anyone of a secular or blind mentality, nor a false religion which chases after the air, but it is someone/some people who know the TRUTH. And upon knowing the truth will do what ever they can to HIDE IT. For those who do not know the TRUTH remain POWERLESS. Everything I say is only the beginning, after me come many much wiser and more focused; and the Darker Night. I'm only 18, but the Wiser ones will be even younger. Perhaps right at this very moment there are Many wiser and Righteous people both young and old. Perhaps they are reading this and thinking, "Finally, I can not believe there is someone who thinks the way I think." And To those who do not believe: To say “I am not a Christian” is to say "I am powerless". And if you feel that evil can not be conquered then remain powerless. I look for people who know that the Mission of our lord Jesus Christ will prevail. For those who think otherwise: fear not, for evil is not scared of those who think they are powerless. Evil walks all over them. But Evil fears those who carry the Cross of our Lord. And yes, Love is the tool that conquers all. Read 1 Corinthians 13 to learn more about this "Love". Don't miss out on this pure humble and everlasting love. Now I ask you non-believer: If you accept what I speak as truth, and it is not, then you have nothing to lose, as matter of fact, Christianity feeds the poor and helps a child smile, if the End times is a lie, then you gain much and lose nothing. But If you deny what I told you, and it IS true, then we have TOO MUCH to lose. Think about it. (Will you continue?)

 

[Boanerge]

Ok... WoW i write alot.. Most of you must be angry.. don't be.. then again do be.. because once you tap into that anger.. while you at it, find out Why you are... and find a way to settle it.. cuz anger is going to get you nowhere... fast....

I KINDA thought this was all i had... uhhhh.. naahhhh theres more.. but ill post that later... if you have ANY comments, criticism, curses, complaints... you know my username, and my AIM id... Well.. I'm Usually online.. dont be afriad to ask questions..

"We only ask questions when we already know the answer."

Well.. speak to God first... if you can't hear his "voice" yet, then we have many spirit filled christians throughtout this website (even outside), that you can speak too. God is always there to listen..

Ok well i Got to go... God Bless you all..

 

[Boanerge]

By the way,i didnt speak to WayMan only i spoke to everyone that wants to listen.. i even spoke to myself.. I learned alot in just one day of surfing this site.. Thank you all..

 

[Havoc]

Actually I'm not angry, mostly because I didn't read your post. It was way to long, but that ibn itself isn't the main issue. The bold blue font is extremely hard to read. The lack of paragraph breaks and the run-on type of freeform prose is not conducive to comprehension.

I suggest to you that very few, if any, will read that post until you make it easier to do so.

 

[dlamberth]

I suggest to you that very few, if any, will read that post until you make it easier to do so.

I couldn't read them either. Too hard on the eyes.

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[SqueezetheShaman]

I didn't read it either, but that is because it didn't seem to have any point, i got bored a few minutes into it. you should try to keep your posts shorter, discuss one point at a time. it is easier that way. but i dont feel bad because apparently you didn't read anythink we wrote.

Well.. speak to God first... if you can't hear his "voice" yet, then we have many spirit filled christians throughtout this website (even outside), that you can speak too. God is always there to listen..

for the umpteenth time WE HAVE HEARD GODS VOICE. WE HAVE ASKED, WE HAVE RECIEVED.
i get so sick of the arrogance of those of you who treat us like some sort of lost sheep. we just choose not to follow your flock. it wont get us where we want to go.

 

[Rae]

News flash: I don't think the Bible is anything more than flawed humans' views of the Divine, which mostly gets it wrong...just as I do of all religious holy books.

 

[Carico]

Pagan obviously knows what really did happen in history rather than the words in the bible which have gotten it wrong. It is he who has knowledge of the kingdom of God and heaven. I really feel emabarrassed for the desperate people on this forum who think they are omniscient. They are broadcasting their desperation loud and clear.

 

[dlamberth]

Pagan obviously knows what really did happen in history rather than the words in the bible which have gotten it wrong.

Has Carico turned over a new leaf and is embracing Paganism now? The Goddess works in strange ways. Carico's even denying the inerrancy of the Bible now and saying that the Bible got it wrong.
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[Carico]

Your post, dlamberth, is a classic example of taking things out of context. You didn't quote the rest of my post which stated how desperate Pagan's beliefs that the bible is wrong are. No wonder you don't understand the bible! You pick and choose what you want to see and distort them to serve your purposes. You are incapable of understanding God's word.

 

[Boanerge]

I understand i wrote a book. I didnt write it so that you can understand it.. "its not candy", im not hear to "please your senses". But, squeezetheshaman, clearly you are "alright" in your own eyes. Since you listen to your own God. You are automatically "correct" in your own eyes. You dont need to listen to anyone else, because you seem to have "all the answers", since your God must be kind enough to tell you them. That is who God is, if he reveals Himself to us, we Hear Him, see Him, feel Him (The Three ways in Which God communicates), then why don't you, sqeezetheshaman, have any answers for anyone in here?

A friend once told me: "But Boanerge, My God is different than your God. My God is mysterious, our human minds can not comprehend anything of God, because God is beyond." If we as humans do not have the mental capacity to understand God, then why do we know or feel that there is a higher divine Source out here? How can God be "beyond" and yet we can define Him in many different ways. Then its only logical to say.. yes we can know God.. and no there is not "more than One God to follow"... you either are being led by the right God or the Wrong God. I'll be back soon.

 

[Carico]

All Christians have already been where you are at, Boanerge. We at one time did not believe in the existence of God. So not only are we capable of changing our minds, but we have found something better. You have only been on one side of the fence as a non-believer, and I don't know if you are capable of changing your mind. I'd say that your mind is the closed one.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

I understand i wrote a book. I didnt write it so that you can understand it.. "its not candy", im not hear to "please your senses". But, squeezetheshaman, clearly you are "alright" in your own eyes. Since you listen to your own God. You are automatically "correct" in your own eyes. You dont need to listen to anyone else, because you seem to have "all the answers", since your God must be kind enough to tell you them. That is who God is, if he reveals Himself to us, we Hear Him, see Him, feel Him (The Three ways in Which God communicates), then why don't you, sqeezetheshaman, have any answers for anyone in here?

I am not here to give you answers. i receive what i need.

God is mysterious, our human minds can not comprehend anything of God, because God is beyond."

i agree with your friend.

If we as humans do not have the mental capacity to understand God, then why do we know or feel that there is a higher divine Source out here? How can God be "beyond" and yet we can define Him in many different ways. Then its only logical to say.. yes we can know God.. and no there is not "more than One God to follow"... you either are being led by the right God or the Wrong God. I'll be back soon.

I dont think there is more than one god. when i say i dont want to follow your god, i mean i dont like the one you think exists. but you know, all this, "my god is better than your god cr@p" is useless. i am not here to make you believe what i believe, i am not the one telling you guys i am right and you are wrong, you are. i don't want to argue, and i dont want to get defensive. dont preach to us and we wont preach to you. if you are curious as to what someone believes, ask nicely, but dont presume to tell them why they are wrong. it is rude. and insanely arrogant for you to think you are telling them anything original that they haven't heard before.. your way is not my way that is it end of story. i have read your bible thouroughly and was not impressed in the least. as a matter of fact i was greatly disturbed.