An Interesting View on Paganism

[Carico]

The proof is in the words that are written in the gospels which show us the actions and words of Jesus. Again, you just don't want to believe them. That is your fear, not someone else'e.

 

[Arikay]

I see the other thread offtracker has come to join forces and turn this thread into mush, oh well, the thread was dead from the start to begin with.

 

[Havoc]

The proof is in the words that are written in the gospels which show us the actions and words of Jesus. Again, you just don't want to believe them. That is your fear, not someone else'e.

I did specify concrete example didn't I? Why are you giving us meaningless religious rhetoric? In what Academic circle or court of Law would your example stand up?

So you really don't have any proof then... Ok

 

[Rae]

Ahem.

Not being perfect does not equal "the genesis story of creation is true."

Evil things happening does not equal "the Christian religious doctrine of sin is true."

Thank you.

I'm amazed I needed to say the above, but apparently I do.

 

[Carico]

That's like asking me to prove that the world exists. It exists to people who see it, not to psychotics who don't. One more time. The proof is right in front of your eyes.But you refuse to believe it. You instead choose to not believe it. That is not my fault. "The knowledge of the kingodm of heaven has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables so that, though seeing they may not see, though hearing they may not understand." If you want proof, it is up to you to seek it out. I've told you where you can find it.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

The proof is in the words that are written in the gospels which show us the actions and words of Jesus. Again, you just don't want to believe them. That is your fear, not someone else'e.

"because the bible says so"

i am glad all you need is to be told something is true to believe it. personally, i like a little more than that. waiting patiently and asking for it, i got it.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

There is proof all around you, Havoc, that God exists. You just don't want to believe it.

newsflash, havoc doesn't disbelieve in a god, he disbelieves in your god.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

That's like asking me to prove that the world exists. It exists to people who see it, not to psychotics who don't.

if your circular logic that has made me dizzy didn't assure me of your lack of ability to discuss apologetics with any sort of intellect, then calling us psychotics certainly has.

 

[Carico]

It makes you dizzy because you don't understand English. You know where the proof is. You can ask the one source who can give you these answers but you don't want answers. You're simply here to disprove them, which can't be done. They can only be argued ad nauseam until people get tired of arguing. The events that happened to show who Jesus Christ is and who God is are written in the bible. But nothing can never be proven to your satisfaction so there's no use in quoting the bible to you. Your unbelief is your problem, not mine.

 

[Carico]

Actually Shamon, maybe we should believe you more than the bible. Afterall, you know what happened during Jesus's time more than the people who were there. You also are more perfect than Jesus because you are saying that his words are not true. I surely have been a blind fool not to see who exactly we have on this forum. Omnipotent sources. Or at least people who think they're omnipotent enough to claim the the bible isn't true. Where is YOUR proof? My proof has been recorded for thousands of years. Yours comes from a hunch.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

No one has claimed omnipotence. Please don't insult people such. It belittles your religion to be represented in such a way.

 

[Carico]

When people claim to know more than Jesus, do you think they are being humble?

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

It makes you dizzy because you don't understand English. You know where the proof is. You can ask the one source who can give you these answers but you don't want answers. You're simply here to disprove them, which can't be done. They can only be argued ad nauseam until people get tired of arguing. The events that happened to show who Jesus Christ is and who God is are written in the bible. But nothing can never be proven to your satisfaction so there's no use in quoting the bible to you. Your unbelief is your problem, not mine.

do you even read others posts? or are you so arrogant you think they aren't worthy and only what you say is of any importance? i have asked. i have received. i am not here to disprove anything. in case you didn't realize it, this thread was created to bash pagansim, and that is why i am here. go ahead, go get your tin foil hat and keep thinking us heathens are here to tear your world apart. i am so glad i dont live in your world, it must be truly sad.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

When people claim to know more than Jesus, do you think they are being humble?

No one has claimed to know more than Jesus. People have claimed disbelief in the Bible. The two are not the same and you should distinguish please.

 

[Carico]

disbelief in the bible is simply saying that jesus isn't telling the truth. If they believed He was telling the truth, then they would believe the words in the bible. It's as simple as that, Mylinkay.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Actually Shamon, maybe we should believe you more than the bible. Afterall, you know what happened during Jesus's time more than the people who were there. You also are more perfect than Jesus because you are saying that his words are not true. I surely have been a blind fool not to see who exactly we have on this forum. Omnipotent sources. Or at least people who think they're omnipotent enough to claim the the bible isn't true. Where is YOUR proof? My proof has been recorded for thousands of years. Yours comes from a hunch.

didn't ask you to believe me. "to truly find god one must look into his heart" ah almas
i dont want you to follow my beliefs and believe them because i say it is so. that would be sad. i just want you to understand that i believe your way is not the right way, i have spoken to god, and it isn't yours. quite frankly, i dont like yours, as a ruler of my life. deal with it. for you he may be fine, but your god doesn't make me a better person. mine does.

and i am not saying jesus' words aren't true. i am saying the people who wrote the bible may have not written them down accurately and i dont trust their views. you dont like it, too bad. that is my view. again, you are the one who brought up the validity of your religion to disprove the validity of ours. we are simply defending our faiths, we did not come here to bash yours. but as you are so happy in being a martyr, being attacked and having your faith attacked, you twist it into seeming as though it is happening. IMO you are delusional.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

disbelief in the bible is simply saying that jesus isn't telling the truth. If they believed He was telling the truth, then they would believe the words in the bible. It's as simple as that, Mylinkay.

you are too simple. maybe if you expanded your mind a bit, and used some logic and didn't try to keep your views so simple, it would be a little easier to understand. imo, my view is simple.

again, you keep using the bible as proof. what part of "there isn't proof the bible is true" do you not understand.
"because the bible says so" isn't sufficient to a freethinker who doesn't believe blindly because he is told to.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

btw stop accusing me of thinking i am better than jesus. i dont think i am better than jesus, i think i am better than you, since i understand jesus better than you. get it straight.

 

[Carico]

First of all, none of us is any better than anyone else. Making such judgments is done to feel superior. Secondly, how can you know Jesus if you don't believe the bible?

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

apparently being washed in the holy spirit washes away your sense of humor. notice the smilie face.

not taking the bible for the view that the "true christian" takes it is difficult for you to understand, isn't it.