An Index of SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) Errors

[mmksparbud]

You have identified two major red flags which ought to be enough to cause you very serious concern. Probably the major difficulty with the SDA, IMO, is their adamant insistence on law-keeping. Specifically, they turn the Sabbath into the acid test of salvation. If you do not observe the Sabbath as they have determined, then, according to Ellen White, their great prophetess, you will be sent to hell forever. Thus, she viewed all other Christians as lost heretics.

'
'
Nonsense! You are so totally wrong!! You can keep the Sabbath all you want, that will not save you. It is done out of love for God, just as you keep the other commandments. Not killing won't save you either, but we don't do it. If, you have been convicted of the Sabbath, and then you don't keep it, then you are indeed breaking the commandment, just as if you know you should not steal, but do, you break it.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Seventh Day Adventists teach that Jesus and Michael the Archangel are one and the same. However, some people mistakenly think that the SDA are teaching that Jesus is a created angel, and therefore not truly divine. But that is not the Seventh-day Adventist position. Instead, they are saying that the Old Testament manifestation of Michael the Archangel was actually the pre-incarnate Christ and that he is not created. They are incorrect in their comparison, but in it they are not denying the deity of Christ.

BTW---we are not the only denomination to think that. This more clearly states the position, and the verses for that believe. I suggest you check it out before making a conclusion.

http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/qod/q08.htm

 

[Major1]

BTW---we are not the only denomination to think that. This more clearly states the position, and the verses for that believe. I suggest you check it out before making a conclusion.

http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/qod/q08.htm

IMO.....a million other denominations can believe that which would make all of them wrong according to the Scriptures.

It is ALWAYS what the Scriptures tell us and not what the doctrines of any denomination say which isth.

 

[Major1]

'
'
Nonsense! You are so totally wrong!! You can keep the Sabbath all you want, that will not save you. It is done out of love for God, just as you keep the other commandments. Not killing won't save you either, but we don't do it. If, you have been convicted of the Sabbath, and then you don't keep it, then you are indeed breaking the commandment, just as if you know you should not steal, but do, you break it.

I would have to say that it is you who is wrong.

Co. 2:16-17..........
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

Similarly, Romans 14:5 states........
“One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind.

 

[mmksparbud]

I would have to say that it is you who is wrong.

Co. 2:16-17..........
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

Similarly, Romans 14:5 states........

These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind.

That's fine and dandy--it is one of the 10 commandments, and thus requires it to be kept as one of them is. None of them will save--but it is still a command from God. If you wish to do away with it, you them must ignore them all--why pick on just one. If it is OK to disregard it, then it is OK to disregard the one about adultery, stealing, or murder, it is whether we are so inclined to follow them or not.

and this
“One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

Is not speaking of the 10 commandments---the Jews had many feasts which were called sabbaths--there is however, only one Sabbath day, and the ONLY one that was a part of the 10 commandments.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Not one if them, "commandments, except for the Sabbath one."

And BTW---if you want to follow those verses you quoted, then follow them, and do not judge those who have chosen to believe that God and the bible says to keep all 10 of the commandments as being in the wrong.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That's fine and dandy--it is one of the 10 commandments, and thus requires it to be kept as one of them is. None of them will save--but it is still a command from God. If you wish to do away with it, you them must ignore them all--why pick on just one. If it is OK to disregard it, then it is OK to disregard the one about adultery, stealing, or murder, it is whether we are so inclined to follow them or not.

and this
“One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

Is not speaking of the 10 commandments---the Jews had many feasts which were called sabbaths--there is however, only one Sabbath day, and the ONLY one that was a part of the 10 commandments.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Not one if them, "commandments, except for the Sabbath one."

And BTW---if you want to follow those verses you quoted, then follow them, and do not judge those who have chosen to believe that God and the bible says to keep all 10 of the commandments as being in the wrong.

I do find it curious that, for reasons entirely unbiblical, the SDA, unlike Jesus, has reduced the Law to only ten commandments rather than the 613 that God actually gave to His covenant people, Israel, and then have reduced those to primarily only one - the fourth - which they have made their shibboleth. However, if you believe that you are pleasing God by honoring Him on one day of the week, that is just fine with me. Just don't go around and insist that all Christians have to worship God only one day a week, and it is the day you have determined.

 

[mmksparbud]

I do find it curious that, for reasons entirely unbiblical, the SDA, unlike Jesus, has reduced the Law to only ten commandments rather than the 613 that God actually gave to His covenant people, Israel, and then have reduced those to primarily only one - the fourth - which they have made their shibboleth. However, if you believe that you are pleasing God by honoring Him on one day of the week, that is just fine with me. Just don't go around and insist that all Christians have to worship God only one day a week, and it is the day you have determined.

I find it curious that, for reasons, unbiblical, unlike Jesus, so many people have reduced His 10 to only 9. Jesus said,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The 1st 4 have to do with how to worship God, the last 6 have to do with how to treat our fellow man.

The 10 commandments are the only ones that God wrote with His own finger, and the only ones that were put into the ark. They are the moral law and are not part of the Levitical laws that were nailed to the cross when Jesus died. However if you wish to keep all 613 of them, it's all right by me, as I certainly don't tell Christians how to worship God even though many insist on telling me I am wrong in how I do. When asked about why I worship as I do, however, I do tell them why. It is up to them to determine how to please God, be it 9 of the 10, or none at all. Or in anything else they wish to do or not do. No one answers to me nor to anyone else, only to God.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I find it curious that, for reasons, unbiblical, unlike Jesus, so many people have reduced His 10 to only 9. Jesus said,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The 1st 4 have to do with how to worship God, the last 6 have to do with how to treat our fellow man.

The 10 commandments are the only ones that God wrote with His own finger, and the only ones that were put into the ark. They are the moral law and are not part of the Levitical laws that were nailed to the cross when Jesus died. However if you wish to keep all 613 of them, it's all right by me, as I certainly don't tell Christians how to worship God even though many insist on telling me I am wrong in how I do. When asked about why I worship as I do, however, I do tell them why. It is up to them to determine how to please God, be it 9 of the 10, or none at all. Or in anything else they wish to do or not do. No one answers to me nor to anyone else, only to God.

As I said, if you want to think God is worshiped on Saturday only, that is fine with me. I will worship Him every day of the week, including Saturday, so that ought to make you happy, no?

 

[mmksparbud]

As I said, if you want to think God is worshiped on Saturday only, that is fine with me. I will worship Him every day of the week, including Saturday, so that ought to make you happy, no?

As said----it doesn't matter to me, has no effect whatsoever on me. The decision is strictly between you and God. He is the one you want to make happy not me.

 

[Major1]

That's fine and dandy--it is one of the 10 commandments, and thus requires it to be kept as one of them is. None of them will save--but it is still a command from God. If you wish to do away with it, you them must ignore them all--why pick on just one. If it is OK to disregard it, then it is OK to disregard the one about adultery, stealing, or murder, it is whether we are so inclined to follow them or not.

and this
“One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

Is not speaking of the 10 commandments---the Jews had many feasts which were called sabbaths--there is however, only one Sabbath day, and the ONLY one that was a part of the 10 commandments.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Not one if them, "commandments, except for the Sabbath one."

And BTW---if you want to follow those verses you quoted, then follow them, and do not judge those who have chosen to believe that God and the bible says to keep all 10 of the commandments as being in the wrong.

Again.....you are very mistaken. IF you choose to obey the commandments, YOU MUST KEEP ALL OF THEM NOT JUST 10.

When you fail to keep ONE, you have failed to keep ALL of them. So then have a wonderful day because there are over 600!!!!

 

[mmksparbud]

You are welcome to keep all 613 if you so choose. I certainly won't keep you from it. The Levitical laws, were done away with at the cross but if you want to sacrifice animals, that is between you, God, and the laws of the land. The 10 have nothing to do with the Levitical laws. No animals are ordered sacrificed for those to be kept. If you do not wish to keep any of the 10 that is your right to do so, but, just be aware that murder, stealing, baring false witness, lying under oath, have legal penalties. Only the rich can get away with doing any of those, in this world. Coveting, dishonoring your parents are not covered by the laws of the land, unless you are abusing them.
You might also want to bare this in mind:
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Major1]

You are welcome to keep all 613 if you so choose. I certainly won't keep you from it. The Levitical laws, were done away with at the cross but if you want to sacrifice animals, that is between you, God, and the laws of the land. The 10 have nothing to do with the Levitical laws. No animals are ordered sacrificed for those to be kept. If you do not wish to keep any of the 10 that is your right to do so, but, just be aware that murder, stealing, baring false witness, lying under oath, have legal penalties. Only the rich can get away with doing any of those, in this world. Coveting, dishonoring your parents are not covered by the laws of the land, unless you are abusing them.
You might also want to bare this in mind:
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

You might be helped if you understood that there is NO church doctrine found in the book of the Revelation.

I choose to live in Christian liberty instead of the bondage of the Law.

 

[mmksparbud]

If you do not wish to keep any of the commandments, it is not a problem to me. Like I said that is between you and God---and whatever laws of the land you might be breaking. The verses I quoted have nothing to do with church doctrine---Revelation is still the word of God, unless, of course, you do not think so.

 

[Major1]

If you do not wish to keep any of the commandments, it is not a problem to me. Like I said that is between you and God---and whatever laws of the land you might be breaking. The verses I quoted have nothing to do with church doctrine---Revelation is still the word of God, unless, of course, you do not think so.

It does not matter what I think sister.

All I am saying is that you can not refer to the Revelation to validate a church doctrine as the Revelation is all about God dealing with Israel and NOT THE CHURCH.

 

[mmksparbud]

It does not matter what I think sister.

All I am saying is that you can not refer to the Revelation to validate a church doctrine as the Revelation is all about God dealing with Israel and NOT THE CHURCH.

You are, of course, entitled to any interpretation of Revelation that you wish.
I never heard that the 7 churches referred to the 7 synagogues of Israel. Interesting twist.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You are welcome to keep all 613 if you so choose. I certainly won't keep you from it. The Levitical laws, were done away with at the cross but if you want to sacrifice animals, that is between you, God, and the laws of the land. The 10 have nothing to do with the Levitical laws. No animals are ordered sacrificed for those to be kept. If you do not wish to keep any of the 10 that is your right to do so, but, just be aware that murder, stealing, baring false witness, lying under oath, have legal penalties. Only the rich can get away with doing any of those, in this world. Coveting, dishonoring your parents are not covered by the laws of the land, unless you are abusing them.
You might also want to bare this in mind:
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Setting aside the Levitical commandments (so-called) there are still a multitude of commandments that can be kept today without needing a Levite to perform the appropriate sacrifices. For example, there are many commandments related to the Sabbath which your church entirely ignores, probably because they are inconvenient. When was the last time your rested from your labor on the Sabbath year (yes, that is 365 days consecutively every seventh year)? When was the last time your church observed the year of Jubilee and all of its members forgave the debts owed to them by others and freed their workers? When was the last time you violated the weekly Sabbath by kindling a fire?

You may well say that these are ridiculous items and God does not command them any more. If so, then welcome to the world of New Testament Christianity.

 

[OzAdventist]

It does not matter what I think sister.

All I am saying is that you can not refer to the Revelation to validate a church doctrine as the Revelation is all about God dealing with Israel and NOT THE CHURCH.

the Church is Israel

 

[bbbbbbb]

the Church is Israel

Ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't tell the Jews that. I will believe that the next time I go to church and there is a menorah on the altar.

 

[mmksparbud]

Setting aside the Levitical commandments (so-called) there are still a multitude of commandments that can be kept today without needing a Levite to perform the appropriate sacrifices. For example, there are many commandments related to the Sabbath which your church entirely ignores, probably because they are inconvenient. When was the last time your rested from your labor on the Sabbath year (yes, that is 365 days consecutively every seventh year)? When was the last time your church observed the year of Jubilee and all of its members forgave the debts owed to them by others and freed their workers? When was the last time you violated the weekly Sabbath by kindling a fire?

You may well say that these are ridiculous items and God does not command them any more. If so, then welcome to the world of New Testament Christianity.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is what the commandment says---and that is it. You want to do or not do whatever---doesn't matter to me. Why you wish to tell us how to keep the 10 commandments when you don't believe in keeping any of them is beyond me. I'm not telling you what to do, or not do, I am stating what I do and why. Don't agree, that's OK. It is interesting that people keep telling us we are not to judge others for not keeping the commandments, but you all want to judge us for doing so---maybe that's just a guilty conscience.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is what the commandment says---and that is it. You want to do or not do whatever---doesn't matter to me. Why you wish to tell us how to keep the 10 commandments when you don't believe in keeping any of them is beyond me. I'm not telling you what to do, or not do, I am stating what I do and why. Don't agree, that's OK. It is interesting that people keep telling us we are not to judge others for not keeping the commandments, but you all want to judge us for doing so---maybe that's just a guilty conscience.

It appears that you are either ignorant of or willfully ignoring all of the other Sabbath commandments given by God to His covenant people, Israel. Is there a particular reason you choose not to obey those commandments, but choose to obey only one and your obedience to it is not according to what it actually says, but what your church's tradition teaches?