An attempt to eliminate God.

[Elder 111]

It is because of sin that people want to believe other than what is written. I had a hard time believing a lot of what Paul wrote it took me years to get through it all and then reread it and consider more and more and I'm still learning about what Paul meant. Peter himself said he didn't completely understand Paul but trusted in his writings totally. I think what we have is in a sense a lack of trust in God's chosen people for dead people who wrote stuff that tickled the ears of folks in her day that is still infecting people worldwide with this desire to replace Grace with the Law.

There is no need of grace without the law. Grace needs the law.

 

[Elder 111]

Yup... the commandments spoken of here are not necessarily the Ten you advocate for.

What others can they be then?

 

[Elder 111]

Yup... like God didn't command people to only wear certain fabrics and do rituals for uncleanliness and so on but yet somehow he did mention dietary commandments? Seems like an anomaly type situation where all but one commandment was IGNORED and IGNORED I will say with a level of blind ruthlessness that IMO equates the rest of the Law as Unholy, UnJust, and Cruel if it isn't good enough to keep also.

NO! Just not part of the Ten commandments. Did you see them on the two stone tablets?

 

[Elder 111]

I agree it's an all or nothing gig. How people think they can choose their favorite parts is completely beyond me

Have you not chosen your favourite part? Or have you rejected all? Is the first command of the ten accepted by you along with 2-10?

 

[BornAgainBrian]

What others can they be then?

Commands given to group A are for group A to fulfill. Commands given to group B are for group B to fulfill.

 

[Elder 111]

Commands given to group A are for group A to fulfill. Commands given to group B are for group B to fulfill.

The Ten Commandments are for all of God's people.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Have you not chosen your favourite part? Or have you rejected all? Is the first command of the ten accepted by you along with 2-10?

I don't choose my favorite part of any law. I don't look at any of those commandments. I look at the instructions and commands in the New Covenant.

You refuse to acknowledge that two groups of people with two different sets of laws might both be prohibited from murder. It is nonsensical to believe that the man under the second set of laws, which prohibits murder, is consequently also under the entirety of first set of laws merely because it also prohibits murder.

By the way, are you admitting you pick and choose which of God's commands you want to follow?

 

[BornAgainBrian]

The Ten Commandments are for all of God's people.

They were given to Israel and are for Israel.

 

[Elder 111]

I don't choose my favorite part of any law. I don't look at any of those commandments. I look at the instructions and commands in the New Covenant.

You refuse to acknowledge that two groups of people with two different sets of laws might both be prohibited from murder. It is nonsensical to believe that the man under the second set of laws, which prohibits murder, is consequently also under the entirety of first set of laws merely because it also prohibits murder.

By the way, are you admitting you pick and choose which of God's commands you want to follow?

Not at all. Just wanted to make a point.
What part of the ten do not apply to us? Not taking the Lord name in vain?

 

[Sophrosyne]

The Ten Commandments are for all of God's people.

The problem is in the Old Testament God's people is defined as Israel.... and nobody else and before Israel there is no mention of the 10 commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

They were given to Israel and are for Israel.

Salvation was given through Israel. So all things pertaining to salvation is of Israel. John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Not at all. Just wanted to make a point.
What part of the ten do not apply to us? Not taking the Lord name in vain?

No matter how far you go equating the 9 you can't pull the Sabbath command anywhere out of the New Testament for Christians which makes it only the 9 commandments

 

[Elder 111]

The problem is in the Old Testament God's people is defined as Israel.... and nobody else and before Israel there is no mention of the 10 commandments.

Nor of anything else for the matter.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Salvation was given through Israel. So all things pertaining to salvation is of Israel. John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Salvation isn't the 10 commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

No matter how far you go equating the 9 you can't pull the Sabbath command anywhere out of the New Testament for Christians which makes it only the 9 commandments

It is there big bold and beautifully there.

 

[Elder 111]

Salvation isn't the 10 commandments.

Where did you see that being said?

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Salvation was given through Israel. So all things pertaining to salvation is of Israel. John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Jesus is of Israel. Salvation is through Him,not through keeping laws other people are subject to.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

It is there big bold and beautifully there.

It's specifically there that we are not enslaved to that law. That IS bold and beautiful! Praise God!

 

[Sophrosyne]

It is there big bold and beautifully there.

No answer eh? IF you can't come up with 10... you can't call it 10. So far all I can see from your arguments is that you can't count past 9 when it comes to the New Testament 9 means 10 to you folks.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Where did you see that being said?

It was implied by your response I was just connecting the dots of where you were headed in it all