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Nonsense.... the only ones judged by the 10 commandments are those who accept them as their standard of righteousness and they better beware because in their efforts to choose them they in reality reject the righteousness of Jesus and instead of being judged as blameless for faith in him they are judged by the Law itself and they will be found as breakers of the Law. One has to choose which standard of righteousness they desire either their own through the Law or Jesus righteousness imputed upon us by our faith in him.
 
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There is refusal to hear Elder 111, and the stopping of the ears. Having a form of Godliness, a mere form of religion, a round of ceremony and long show of prayer and formality, a pretense at knowledge of the will of God, in which it is claimed that there is obedience to God, all the while there is absolutely no power over sin, no victory, for the decision to remain in transgression when the Light has come to such, yet claiming holiness and the righteousness of Christ Jesus, who cannot know the children of disobedience, for Christ Jesus always obeyed His Father, and would never transgress the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD His God, there being no sin in Him, and so from such, Elder 111, the scripture says, turn away. Let there be grief, and pleading with God that there may yet be repentance granted these, for such can only die in/with their sins, but still, turn away, and wipe the dust of death from your feet, and take the message to others, who may yet hear, turn unto others, that they may have opportunity to accept before the door closes upon them forever. Do not let those which continually crucify Christ to themselves afresh and so waste your God-given and precious time and cast not the pearls away to them which only trample upon such wisdom, for the shame of their nakedness will appear in all its hideousness soon enough, and then, there will be such agonizing regret and such a sorrow as we will never have to know. See the example of Jesus Himself, who wept at the eternal loss. Let such go on in professed ignorance, it will be seen for what it is soon enough, for the judgment is soon to come to them and the Ten Commandments of God be seen in the Heavens [Psalms 50:6, 97:6, 119:172; Isaiah 51:6], and they will awaken soon enough, yet too late, by that which is coming.


Unlike Moses, we have nothing to hide. Everything is out in the open with us. He wore a veil so the children of Israel wouldn’t notice that the glory was fading away – and they didn’t notice. They didn’t notice it then and they don’t notice it now, don’t notice that there’s nothing left behind that veil.

Even today when the proclamations of that old, bankrupt government are read out, they can’t see through it. Only Christ can get rid of the veil so they can see for themselves that there’s nothing there.

Whenever, though, they turn to face God as Moses did, God removes the veil and there they are – face to face! They suddenly recognize that God is a living, personal presence, not a piece of chiseled stone. And when God is personally present, a living Spirit, that old, constricting legislation is recognized as obsolete. We’re free of it!

- John Sheasby, The Birthright
 
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There is refusal to hear Elder 111, and the stopping of the ears. Having a form of Godliness, a mere form of religion, a round of ceremony and long show of prayer and formality, a pretense at knowledge of the will of God, in which it is claimed that there is obedience to God, all the while there is absolutely no power over sin, no victory, for the decision to remain in transgression when the Light has come to such, yet claiming holiness and the righteousness of Christ Jesus, who cannot know the children of disobedience, for Christ Jesus always obeyed His Father, and would never transgress the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD His God, there being no sin in Him, and so from such, Elder 111, the scripture says, turn away. Let there be grief, and pleading with God that there may yet be repentance granted these, for such can only die in/with their sins, but still, turn away, and wipe the dust of death from your feet, and take the message to others, who may yet hear, turn unto others, that they may have opportunity to accept before the door closes upon them forever. Do not let those which continually crucify Christ to themselves afresh and so waste your God-given and precious time and cast not the pearls away to them which only trample upon such wisdom, for the shame of their nakedness will appear in all its hideousness soon enough, and then, there will be such agonizing regret and such a sorrow as we will never have to know. See the example of Jesus Himself, who wept at the eternal loss. Let such go on in professed ignorance, it will be seen for what it is soon enough, for the judgment is soon to come to them and the Ten Commandments of God be seen in the Heavens [Psalms 50:6, 97:6, 119:172; Isaiah 51:6], and they will awaken soon enough, yet too late, by that which is coming.
Do I hear another fire breathing dragon crashing down?
 
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There is refusal to hear Elder 111, and the stopping of the ears. Having a form of Godliness, a mere form of religion, a round of ceremony and long show of prayer and formality, a pretense at knowledge of the will of God, in which it is claimed that there is obedience to God, all the while there is absolutely no power over sin, no victory, for the decision to remain in transgression when the Light has come to such, yet claiming holiness and the righteousness of Christ Jesus, who cannot know the children of disobedience, for Christ Jesus always obeyed His Father, and would never transgress the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD His God, there being no sin in Him, and so from such, Elder 111, the scripture says, turn away. Let there be grief, and pleading with God that there may yet be repentance granted these, for such can only die in/with their sins, but still, turn away, and wipe the dust of death from your feet, and take the message to others, who may yet hear, turn unto others, that they may have opportunity to accept before the door closes upon them forever. Do not let those which continually crucify Christ to themselves afresh and so waste your God-given and precious time and cast not the pearls away to them which only trample upon such wisdom, for the shame of their nakedness will appear in all its hideousness soon enough, and then, there will be such agonizing regret and such a sorrow as we will never have to know. See the example of Jesus Himself, who wept at the eternal loss. Let such go on in professed ignorance, it will be seen for what it is soon enough, for the judgment is soon to come to them and the Ten Commandments of God be seen in the Heavens [Psalms 50:6, 97:6, 119:172; Isaiah 51:6], and they will awaken soon enough, yet too late, by that which is coming.
Others would see who will accept the way of God.
 
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Nonsense.... the only ones judged by the 10 commandments are those who accept them as their standard of righteousness and they better beware because in their efforts to choose them they in reality reject the righteousness of Jesus and instead of being judged as blameless for faith in him they are judged by the Law itself and they will be found as breakers of the Law. One has to choose which standard of righteousness they desire either their own through the Law or Jesus righteousness imputed upon us by our faith in him.
So to obey the law that God gave is to be lost? I cor. 5:
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Why did Paul not know that? Those that break the same Ten commandments that you say are not for Christians Paul say have nothing to do with them not even to eat with them. Can you explain what is going on here?:confused::confused::confused:
 
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So to obey the law that God gave is to be lost? I cor. 5:
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Why did Paul not know that? Those that break the same Ten commandments that you say are not for Christians Paul say have nothing to do with them not even to eat with them. Can you explain what is going on here?:confused::confused::confused:
Umm... sorry but the 10 commandments don't say anything about extortion.
 
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Am I understanding correctly from Steen07 that Moses hid from the people the taking away of the law?
That Moses was hiding the truth from the Jews? :pray::groupray::confused::o Somebody call for the Holy Spirit to return to this place please!!!

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So to obey the law that God gave is to be lost? I cor. 5:
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Why did Paul not know that? Those that break the same Ten commandments that you say are not for Christians Paul say have nothing to do with them not even to eat with them. Can you explain what is going on here?:confused::confused::confused:

Paul certainly did not say that in the passage you quoted.

Paul said for us to not keep company with people like you who rail (utter bitter complaint or vehement denunciation) against the truth. Paul had in mind those Jews who followed him everywhere causing trouble and is the exact reason for the Council at Jerusalem.
 
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Paul certainly did not say that in the passage you quoted.

Paul said for us to not keep company with people like you who rail (utter bitter complaint or vehement denunciation) against the truth. Paul had in mind those Jews who followed him everywhere causing trouble and is the exact reason for the Council at Jerusalem.
The chapter is about adultery, so what is it you are talking about? Read the chapter and see!
 
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The chapter is about adultery, so what is it you are talking about? Read the chapter and see!
Some people can not hear. This is by choice. Paul is talking about our relationship with the law and grace. The central theme of Romans is anti law and pro grace.
 
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There is refusal to hear Elder 111, and the stopping of the ears.
We're bound to the Word of God, and have no reason to 'hear' Elder111's continual contradiction to Scripture. What did you expect?
Having a form of Godliness, a mere form of religion, a round of ceremony and long show of prayer and formality, a pretense at knowledge of the will of God, in which it is claimed that there is obedience to God, all the while there is absolutely no power over sin, no victory, for the decision to remain in transgression when the Light has come to such, yet claiming holiness and the righteousness of Christ Jesus, who cannot know the children of disobedience, for Christ Jesus always obeyed His Father, and would never transgress the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD His God, there being no sin in Him, and so from such, Elder 111, the scripture says, turn away.
The above is one single sentence that rambles around multiple subjects. It is poor grammer at best, and mimics Ellen White's lack of prose. I highlighted one part of this rambling sentence to draw attention to a topic you don't recognize from Elder111's posting history.

Elder111 introduced the argument that the reason the Sabbath was conveyed to Gentiles in a foreign land stems from Jesus violating the Law defining the constraints of the Sabbath. He mistakenly attributes 'the Sabbath was made for man' to all men outside the jurisdiction of the Mosaic covenant. And, I have witnessed the consistent acceptance of this argument among all the Adventists who post here. In a nutshell:
Adventism is based on violating the Law of God in the Mosaic covenant.
Adventism is based on Jesus breaking the Law.
Adventism is based on Jesus breaking the Sabbath.

Your comments condemn Elder111 and those adopting his argument, and don't include Christians of faith who don't 'hear' (aka accept) what Elder111 posts.
Let there be grief, and pleading with God that there may yet be repentance granted these, for such can only die in/with their sins, but still, turn away, and wipe the dust of death from your feet, and take the message to others, who may yet hear, turn unto others, that they may have opportunity to accept before the door closes upon them forever. Do not let those which continually crucify Christ to themselves afresh and so waste your God-given and precious time and cast not the pearls away to them which only trample upon such wisdom, for the shame of their nakedness will appear in all its hideousness soon enough, and then, there will be such agonizing regret and such a sorrow as we will never have to know. See the example of Jesus Himself, who wept at the eternal loss. Let such go on in professed ignorance, it will be seen for what it is soon enough, for the judgment is soon to come to them and the Ten Commandments of God be seen in the Heavens [Psalms 50:6, 97:6, 119:172; Isaiah 51:6], and they will awaken soon enough, yet too late, by that which is coming.
I'm not going to bother parsing the rest of this post, which is rife with accusations and isn't suitable for discussion. Your post was anchored to (yet) another one of Elder111's rejection of the Law, which testifies of the origin of the Sabbath, blindly accepting the mistake he made.
 
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The chapter is about adultery, so what is it you are talking about? Read the chapter and see!
You practice spiritual adultery, a fait accompli exposed on this forum.
 
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Am I understanding correctly from Steen07 that Moses hid from the people the taking away of the law?
That Moses was hiding the truth from the Jews? :pray::groupray::confused::o Somebody call for the Holy Spirit to return to this place please!!!
Steeno7 cited his source - a commentary that anyone familiar with Scripture would instantly recognize stemming from 2 Corinthians 3, which in turn draws on the account of Exodus 34. It was a good post. I find I tend to like Steeno7's contributions. All I see from you is questioning Scripture as if it were anathema. That's the reason you proffer questions ignorant of the material you're confronted with.
 
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Others would see who will accept the way of God.
We do. That's why we don't 'hear' you when you violate the Law and insist that Jesus did, to promote a completely unBiblical view that can't be reconciled with Scripture.
 
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Steeno7 cited his source - a commentary that anyone familiar with Scripture would instantly recognize stemming from 2 Corinthians 3, which in turn draws on the account of Exodus 34. It was a good post. I find I tend to like Steeno7's contributions. All I see from you is questioning Scripture as if it were anathema. That's the reason you proffer questions ignorant of the material you're confronted with.
It seems to me his arguments are degrading in content and value as he rumbles through his burning pile of straw.
 
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Some people can not hear. This is by choice. Paul is talking about our relationship with the law and grace. The central theme of Romans is anti law and pro grace.
NO!!!!
That is you misrepresenting the word of God in stating so. Romans 7 for example.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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It seems to me his arguments are degrading in content and value as he rumbles through his burning pile of straw.
Agreed.

His latest contribution provides a quote whereby he overlooks his appeal to serve "with the flesh the law of sin" in v.7:25. That's the same as v.7:5's past-tense mention of "when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law" expressing the condition of the Law's recipients prior to the Gospel of redemption, providing God's solution.

I'm not sure if we're dealing with someone who has comprehensive skills exceeding a few words at a time. The narrative of Romans 7 has no value to someone selecting sound bites extracted from context.
 
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Agreed.

His latest contribution provides a quote whereby he overlooks his appeal to serve "with the flesh the law of sin" in v.7:25. That's the same as v.7:5's past-tense mention of "when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law" expressing the condition of the Law's recipients prior to the Gospel of redemption, providing God's solution.

I'm not sure if we're dealing with someone who has comprehensive skills exceeding a few words at a time. The narrative of Romans 7 has no value to someone selecting sound bites extracted from context.
The perversion of scripture is being projected as being intelligent while the "thus saith the Lord" is of ignorance?
Paul in no way make reference to the condition of the "recipients of the law before the gospel". For he, himself, who had already received the gospel was still in the same group!!
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Can not defeat the truth make to presenter of truth look like a fool, it seems.
 
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