An atheists world (2)

[toolmanjantzi]

Thanks for pointing out another error in the Bible.

As long as you repent of your error, it can be forgiven. The Bible points out a lot of your error.

 

[createdtoworship]

Then you have no clue.

He showed that the questions you here in the movie were not the questions asked in the movie were not the questions that Dawkins was asked in real life.

Why do creationists defend their fellow creationists when they are caught in a lie?

don't be angry that your champion believes in the possibility of little green men. Not everyone is perfect.

right?

 

[lasthero]

don't be angry that your champion believes in the possibility of little green men. Not

He doesn't. We explained how he doesn't. He himself explained that he doesn't, in the video I showed.

You're either lying or you're insanely obtuse. You can't not know how wrong this statement is.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Oh my goodness, no wonder you believe evolution over God, your ignorance is astounding. You should learn about something before commenting on it, you look very silly indeed. So, allow me to go over the faults of your comments.
Firstly, YES a creation can be wrecked, but God knew one family would remain faithful. The Father of that family was Noah, and EVERYONE else basically turned against God to worship the fallen Angels which were teaching them agriculture, architecture, metallurgy etc etc, even the wheel.
If you turn against God, he will not force you to worship him, it's your choice. So, this is the point of the sacrifice. Either you are thankful for a way out, back to eternal life, or you are egotistic and choose to ignore God. Simple.
Yes God is intelligent, he created all things. I am intelligent too, because I can see that with my own eyes. Oh and by the way, perhaps you can show me where an APPLE was the forbidden fruit? I would love to see that.
It was the best looking fruit in the garden as a temptation, and I hardly believe an apple would fit the bill.

He must be a Apple fan, more than a Microsoft fan. With the bite and the snake tail it fools most atheists to believe the lies told by others of the Genesis account.

 

[CarlosTomy]

...and EVERYONE else basically turned against God to worship the fallen Angels which were teaching them agriculture, architecture, metallurgy etc etc, even the wheel.

so agriculture, architecture, metallurgy and the wheel are all gifts from hell?

Ooooookkkkaaaaaayyyyy...

I mean they all are pretty awful things, but I didn't realize they were SO evil.

If you turn against God, he will not force you to worship him, it's your choice.

I'm not entirely certain that is much of a "choice". According to some versions of Christianity you get a short time to make a choice (~70+ years) and if you make the wrong choice you will spend ETERNITY in torment.

So that works out to about 70/infinity...that's a ratio pretty close to ZERO for choiceunishment.

But is it really a "choice" then? Kind of like a mafia boss saying you can pay him or you can be killed.

That's not what I would call a "choice".

So, this is the point of the sacrifice. Either you are thankful for a way out, back to eternal life

What if I'm ok with a regular life? What if I'm not interested in living forever? What if I just want to be happy in THIS life that I KNOW I have?

, or you are egotistic and choose to ignore God.

Maybe for some of us it isn't egotism. Did you ever consider that? Perhaps some of us cannot force ourselves to worship that which doesn't appear to be there to us.

If God wants worship then why hide from some of us?

If God simply wants to play a game in which he holds all the cards and I am powerless then why not jump straight ahead to the torture NOW?

You see, it is hardly "egotistical" to ignore that which doesn't appear to be there to some of us.

 

[createdtoworship]

"It is extremely improbably that proteins and nucleic acids, both of which are structurally complex, arose spontaneously in the same place at the same time. Ye it also seems impossible to have one without the other. And so, at first glace, one might have to conclude that life could never, in fact, have originated by chemical means." - Orgel, Leslie E., "The Origin of Life on the Earth," Scientific American, Vol 271 October 1994

"Recent photochemical calculations by atmospheric researchers at Langley were presented at an international scientific conference last fall. They state that, at the time complex organic molecules (the precursors of living systems) were first formed from atmospheric gases the earth's atmosphere was not composed primarily of methane, ammonia and hydrogen as was previously supposed. Instead it was composed of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor, all resulting from volcanic activity."

"Ultraviolet radiation on the earth from the young sun hay have been up to 100,000 times greater than today."

"How could life have formed and evolved in such a hostile environment? According to our calculation, there was virtually no ozone in the early atmosphere to protect against ultraviolet radiation levels that were much greater than they are today. It clearly should have affected the evolution of life on earth."

above from "New Evidence on Evolution of Early Atmosphere and Life," Bulletin of the American meteorological society, vol. 63 (November 1982, pp 1328-1330

funny thing that no one decided to comment on this quote,

the truth has a way of peaking it's head out even in secular literature.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I am not sure I believe the video you presented, have transcripts? Even if major parts of interviews are removed that is not considered a lie. Thus video editors are all liars right?

Let's edit your response and remove a few major parts, shall we?

I am not sure I believe the video you presented, have transcripts? Even if major parts of interviews are removed that is not considered a lie. Thus video editors are all liars right?

Are you starting to see the creationist strategy at work?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

so agriculture, architecture, metallurgy and the wheel are all gifts from hell?

Ooooookkkkaaaaaayyyyy...

I mean they all are pretty awful things, but I didn't realize they were SO evil.

I'm not entirely certain that is much of a "choice". According to some versions of Christianity you get a short time to make a choice (~70+ years) and if you make the wrong choice you will spend ETERNITY in torment.

So that works out to about 70/infinity...that's a ratio pretty close to ZERO for choiceunishment.

But is it really a "choice" then? Kind of like a mafia boss saying you can pay him or you can be killed.

That's not what I would call a "choice".

What if I'm ok with a regular life? What if I'm not interested in living forever? What if I just want to be happy in THIS life that I KNOW I have?

Maybe for some of us it isn't egotism. Did you ever consider that? Perhaps some of us cannot force ourselves to worship that which doesn't appear to be there to us.

If God wants worship then why hide from some of us?

If God simply wants to play a game in which he holds all the cards and I am powerless then why not jump straight ahead to the torture NOW?

You see, it is hardly "egotistical" to ignore that which doesn't appear to be there to some of us.

Yet you can not see energy, consciousness, gravity, wind,etc yet you believe they exist. Your funny; you don't believe in the devil, yet you serve him faithfully.

 

[lasthero]

funny thing that no one decided to comment on this quote,

the truth has a way of peaking it's head out even in secular literature.

"No one has commented on this in the day or so since I posted it, even though the other things three things I posted were shown to be false. Victory!"

In what universe is being 25% right a win?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not sure I believe the video you presented, have transcripts? Even if major parts of interviews are removed that is not considered a lie. Thus video editors are all liars right?

Actually it is considered a lie if you substantially change what the speaker said by editing.

That is extremely dishonest.

And we don't have nor need the full transcripts of the original interview.

Why do you ask these foolish questions when you refused to watch the video that explains how Ben Stein's movie was a lie? Watch Potholer's very short video and you should be able to understand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yet you can not see energy, consciousness, gravity, wind,etc yet you believe they exist. Your funny; you don't believe in the devil, yet you serve him faithfully.

Sight is not our only sense. And we can see things fall, we can feel the wind, all of the things that science treats as correct can be observed in one fashion or another.

Yet you cannot provide objective evidence for your god.

 

[Skaloop]

so you've just said that you'd have to see it, meaning that unless it fits your particular taste, it's either a quote mine, or an illegitimate source....you don't at all feel guilty of dishonesty here?

"It is extremely improbably that proteins and nucleic acids, both of which are structurally complex, arose spontaneously in the same place at the same time. Ye it also seems impossible to have one without the other. And so, at first glace, one might have to conclude that life could never, in fact, have originated by chemical means." - Orgel, Leslie E., "The Origin of Life on the Earth," Scientific American, Vol 271 October 1994

"Recent photochemical calculations by atmospheric researchers at Langley were presented at an international scientific conference last fall. They state that, at the time complex organic molecules (the precursors of living systems) were first formed from atmospheric gases the earth's atmosphere was not composed primarily of methane, ammonia and hydrogen as was previously supposed. Instead it was composed of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor, all resulting from volcanic activity."

"Ultraviolet radiation on the earth from the young sun hay have been up to 100,000 times greater than today."

"How could life have formed and evolved in such a hostile environment? According to our calculation, there was virtually no ozone in the early atmosphere to protect against ultraviolet radiation levels that were much greater than they are today. It clearly should have affected the evolution of life on earth."

above from "New Evidence on Evolution of Early Atmosphere and Life," Bulletin of the American meteorological society, vol. 63 (November 1982, pp 1328-1330

Why are there so many grammatical errors in your quotes? Are you typing them all our yourself, or are you copying and pasting from elsewhere?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's edit your response and remove a few major parts, shall we?



Are you starting to see the creationist strategy at work?

Excellent job.

And he has the benefit that this site let's someone check out the full original quote, via the blue arrow that takes you to the quoted post.

Watcher of the movie do not have that option. They cannot go back and see what was actually said.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Sight is not our only sense. And we can see things fall, we can feel the wind, all of the things that science treats as correct can be observed in one fashion or another.

Yet you cannot provide objective evidence for your god.

So if you see things fall, yet you do not fall explain to me why some are believers and others are not believers yet neither can see God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So if you see things fall, yet you do not fall explain to me why some are believers and others are not believers yet neither can see God?

What?

One more time in English please.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's edit your response and remove a few major parts, shall we?



Are you starting to see the creationist strategy at work?

And to further illustrate this here is another example. If you do not like the answer change the question "in post":



When it's OK to lie: When you're lying for Jesus - YouTube

 

[lasthero]

Let's loook at one of these.

"It is extremely improbably that proteins and nucleic acids, both of which are structurally complex, arose spontaneously in the same place at the same time. Ye it also seems impossible to have one without the other. And so, at first glance, one might have to conclude that life could never, in fact, have originated by chemical means."

The bolded part should clue you in to something.

The Origin of Life and Consequences

That's the source. Does it look like the writer of this is for or against evolution? Be honest. Try.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thats what the B.I.B.L.E. tells me.

Blessed Information Bringing Life Eternal!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Blessed Information Bringing Life Eternal!

Please, that sort of thing can lead to acronyms from the other side. Of course some creationist would probably get ticked off since his panties got scorched and would report the "blasphemy".

 

[AV1611VET]

Please, that sort of thing can lead to acronyms from the other side.

I thought the other side was supposed to be neutral?

(And for the record, I won't EVEN tell you what "atheist" anagrams to! )