An atheists world (2)

[TLK Valentine]

I don't care about removing pats of the interview, as the movie is not an interview of dawkins, it's about ID.

A) We weren't talking about the movie. We were talking about the clip in the movie.

B) You don't care? It doesn't matter to you that Stein manipulated video to make someone look like they said something they didn't say? Here's what I don't get - for all the junk you give 'evolutionists', I would never support someone who did what Stein did, even if he was on my side. Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong. Period.

Ah, but where does a creationist get their ideas about "right" and "wrong"?

 

[lasthero]

so you've just said that you'd have to see it, meaning that unless it fits your particular taste, it's either a quote mine, or an illegitimate source....you don't at all feel guilty of dishonesty here?

I missed this before, and I'm a little busy now, so I don't have time to look up the context of these quotes. But, to answer this question - no. The reason I'd have to see it is because you're making a habit of showing me misleading quotes. And I've shown how the things you've posted so far have been quote mines and illegitimate sources. So no, I don't feel guilty of dishonesty. I haven't done anything dishonest.

 

[USincognito]

thanks for the heads up.

wasn't a lie, I made the same mistake just now.

It was a lie. Any time there is the presence of elipses when quoting from a Creationist source it is a lie and repeating it is similarly a lie.

 

[mzungu]

If you put Jesus on a planet with scientists,
He will be beaten mercilessly and hanged on a Cross.
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No he will be fed thalidomide pills till he conks out and then do experiments on him

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

If you put Jesus on a planet with scientists,
He will be beaten mercilessly and hanged on a Cross.
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Doubtful, bureaucrats and priests seem to be more interested in killing folk.

 

[Herman Hedning]

No he will be fed thalidomide pills till he conks out and then do experiments on him

And then he'll be strapped to the Challenger and blown to smithereens.

 

[madaz]

If you put Jesus on a planet with scientists,​

He will be beaten mercilessly and hanged on a Cross.​

Too late, his father has already put him on a planet to be beaten and mercilessly hanged on a cross.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Too late, his father has already put him on a planet to be beaten and mercilessly hanged on a cross.

Yes, can't get round the fact it was god's plan to have Jesus crucified. Although it all gets a bit madder when you consider that Jesus is supposed to be god himself in human form because that means you have god committing suicide in human form, but not really because god can't die and anyway jesus rose again just to prove it, and this whole performance written, acted, directed and produced by god so he could forgive us for eating an apple, which obviously he couldn't have done in the first place. Yeah, that's not mad at all.

 

[madaz]

Yes, can't get round the fact it was god's plan to have Jesus crucified. Although it all gets a bit madder when you consider that Jesus is supposed to be god himself in human form because that means you have god committing suicide in human form, but not really because god can't die and anyway jesus rose again just to prove it, and this whole performance written, acted, directed and produced by god so he could forgive us for eating an apple, which obviously he couldn't have done in the first place. Yeah, that's not mad at all.

Creationists who hate science seem to be under the delusion that science is an enemy.

The reality is science would be the first to prove Jesus or gods existed if it could.

The real enemy of creationists is not science but truth.

 

[mzungu]

Creationists who hate science seem to be under the delusion that science is an enemy.

The reality is science would be the first to prove Jesus or gods existed if it could.

The real enemy of creationists is not science but truth.

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[AV1611VET]

Creationists who hate science ...

Do you know any?

The reality is science would be the first to prove Jesus or gods existed if it could.

No, it wouldn't.

Science can't prove earth is the third planet from the sun.

As one poster here pointed out to me ... more than once ... it is a theory.

The real enemy of creationists is not science but truth.

The real enemy of creationists is the devil.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

The real enemy of creationists is the devil.

Well, they are certainly their own worst enemy.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Do you know any?

I know some good candidates.

 

[nuttypiglet]

The problem with the term "I.D." is that it is largely undefined. Originally it meant creationism in disguise, today it can mean that to even the first cell coming from God.

So until our creationists define I.D. I will be asking them which version they believe in. I suppose the easiest way is to find if they think we share a common ancestor with other apes. If they don't they clearly believe in the creationism in sheep's clothing version.

Undefined? really? I didn't realise. Well simply put, I.D occurred before the Universe existed. It was all designed in the mind of God and carefully thought out. That was the intelligent design stage. Then came the creation of it. Then came the disloyalty of a third of the Angels that started to wreck that creation. Then came mans EGO to destroy the rest of it. However part of the original I.D (design) had something built in, a way out of this mess through the designers Son.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Undefined? really? I didn't realise. Well simply put, I.D occurred before the Universe existed. It was all designed in the mind of God and carefully thought out. That was the intelligent design stage. Then came the creation of it. Then came the disloyalty of a third of the Angels that started to wreck that creation. Then came mans EGO to destroy the rest of it. However part of the original I.D (design) had something built in, a way out of this mess through the designers Son.

So iD is a religious myth?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Undefined? really? I didn't realise. Well simply put, I.D occurred before the Universe existed. It was all designed in the mind of God and carefully thought out.

Are you sure about that? OK, well let's run with that thought...

That was the intelligent design stage. Then came the creation of it

Right. This is where he rolls up his sleeves is it?

Then came the disloyalty of a third of the Angels that started to wreck that creation.

Hang on, I thought you said it was all perfectly thought out beforehand...

Then came mans EGO to destroy the rest of it.

This doesn't sound like it's going according to plan to me. Still, being omniscient he must have known every detail of this before he started the project, so he must OK with it. Must be what he wanted or he wouldn't have started.

However part of the original I.D (design) had something built in, a way out of this mess through the designers Son

Oh yes, we've covered that. God's big suicide gesture in order to allow himself to forgive his own creation for eating an apple, which obviously he couldn't have done without the big performance. And this guy is supposed to be intelligent is he?

Is that it? That is your definition of intelligent design?

 

[EternalDragon]

Yes, can't get round the fact it was god's plan to have Jesus crucified. Although it all gets a bit madder when you consider that Jesus is supposed to be god himself in human form because that means you have god committing suicide in human form, but not really because god can't die and anyway jesus rose again just to prove it, and this whole performance written, acted, directed and produced by god so he could forgive us for eating an apple, which obviously he couldn't have done in the first place. Yeah, that's not mad at all.

It was not God's plan to have Jesus crucified any more than it was God's plan for Adam and Eve to sin. It was just the general course of how humans would react with free will.

How can a person commit suicide when someone else kills them?

If God became a man that can die, how do you then come up with the idea that he can't die?

Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In essence sinned against God. How is it they just "ate and apple"?

 

[CarlosTomy]

It was not God's plan to have Jesus crucified any more than it was God's plan for Adam and Eve to sin. It was just the general course of how humans would react with free will.

MT 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

 

[EternalDragon]

MT 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Yeah, as a human he did not want to go through being whipped, the scourging, being spit on, slapped, beaten, dragged through the city in front of everyone, nails driven through his wrists and legs and then being left there to hang till dead.

What was your point with this scripture?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It was not God's plan to have Jesus crucified any more than it was God's plan for Adam and Eve to sin. It was just the general course of how humans would react with free will.

How can a person commit suicide when someone else kills them?

If God became a man that can die, how do you then come up with the idea that he can't die?

Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In essence sinned against God. How is it they just "ate and apple"?

Adam and Eve were set up to fail. God withheld from them the knowledge necessary for them to evaluate his command. He created them without a concept of right and wrong and then blamed them when the inevitable happened instead of taking responsibility for something that was surely within the foresight of a supposedly omniscient being.