• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

An atheists world (2)

Status
Not open for further replies.

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
From gradyll's quote of a creationist source:

What they are asserting is that there wasn't enough water to cover the
present-day mountains. This is fallacious because they are presuming
evolutionary time scales for the rates of the mountains forming – that
is, millions of years. This means that the mountains we have today
would have been nearly identical in height just 4,500 years ago at the
time of the Flood. This is begging the question because the premise of
their argument assumes long ages are true in order to argue that long
ages are true (and, thus, that the Flood could not have happened).

This is of course incorrect. We are not assuming present day time rates. Those have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact deep time was well accepted as a scientific concept well before Darwin's time. As usual creationists sties cannot be honest. That is because the ridiculous claims they have to make for a flood have no supporting evidence and can be debunked with the wave of a hand.
 
Upvote 0

lasthero

Newbie
Jul 30, 2013
11,421
5,795
✟236,977.00
Faith
Seeker
he said this too:

“It is virtually impossible to imagine how a cell’s machines…could have formed spontaneously from non-living matter,”
Jack Szostak 2009 scientific american

in which some creationist twisted His words, I didn't quote mine Him I just quoted a section of His quote without comment. You can believe what you will about what was said I just want you to know about it. Amd i don't care what else He says. This quote is words, words have meaning. If He didn't believe it He shouldn't have said it. Or what He can do is retract it publically. Period.

This is a stupid argument, and you should feel bad for even saying it. By this logic, I can say that the Bible says God doesn't exist.

"...there is no God." - Psalm 14:1

See? The Bible says God doesn't exist, end of debate. What does it matter what the rest of the quote says? If the Bible didn't mean to say that, they shouldn't have put it in there. I don't care what the rest of it says. Those quotes are the Bible's words, and words have meaning.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
This is a stupid argument, and you should feel bad for even saying it. By this logic, I can say that the Bible says God doesn't exist.

"...there is no God." - Psalm 14:1

See? The Bible says God doesn't exist, end of debate. What does it matter what the rest of the quote says? If the Bible didn't mean to say that, they shouldn't have put it in there. I don't care what the rest of it says. Those quotes are the Bible's words, and words have meaning.

It was hilarious, he pointed out that other creationists had quote mined that and he thought therefore he was excused of quote mining. His meaning that he was attempting to get across was still clear. He was still guilty of quote mining.
 
Upvote 0

Archaeopteryx

Wanderer
Jul 1, 2007
22,229
2,608
✟78,240.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
i Just quoted you favorite site, how they claim a lot of stuff re: abiogenesis.

are you saying talkorigins, are wrong?????????

I'm not talking about Talk Origins. I'm talking about scientists in general as compared to Creationists in general.
 
Upvote 0

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Upvote 0

Archaeopteryx

Wanderer
Jul 1, 2007
22,229
2,608
✟78,240.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Upvote 0

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
It was hilarious, he pointed out that other creationists had quote mined that and he thought therefore he was excused of quote mining. His meaning that he was attempting to get across was still clear. He was still guilty of quote mining.

that is so hilarious I made it my signature.

like it?

It was in honor of your only nemesis to my main man stephen meyers.
 
Upvote 0

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
This is a stupid argument, and you should feel bad for even saying it. By this logic, I can say that the Bible says God doesn't exist.

"...there is no God." - Psalm 14:1

See? The Bible says God doesn't exist, end of debate. What does it matter what the rest of the quote says? If the Bible didn't mean to say that, they shouldn't have put it in there. I don't care what the rest of it says. Those quotes are the Bible's words, and words have meaning.

it was a full sentence!

period and all!

it was a mistake, but he hasn't retracted it so I am keepin it!

thanks for the ammunition!
 
Upvote 0

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
From gradyll's quote of a creationist source:
This is of course incorrect. We are not assuming present day time rates. Those have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact deep time was well accepted as a scientific concept well before Darwin's time. As usual creationists sties cannot be honest. That is because the ridiculous claims they have to make for a flood have no supporting evidence and can be debunked with the wave of a hand.

funny you say this.....how old is ......say ......devils tower formation in Wyoming?
 
Upvote 0

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Interestingly the REACTIONS that are responsible for DNA and RNA and tRNA and mRNA etc. are all pretty straightforward, standard chemical reactions.

A lot of the "magic" of DNA is the transfer of base pairs. These base pairs are pairs in no small part due to the arrangement of an oxygen sticking off of them and a hydrogen that is on a neighboring N in the heterocycle.

This is the basics of transcription. A given set of base pair with complementary hydrogen bonding.

I'm not going to say that biochemistry is really simple, heaven knows that when I took biochem eons ago it had a lot of stuff to memorize but the basics are no too far off of how ice crystals form.

Ice crystals form the shape they do because the Oxygen prefers electrons more than the hydrogen in an H-O-H bond and so the bonds are polar and since the H2O is a "bent" configuration it has a slightly negative side and a slightly positive side and those H's are attracted to the O's....just like hydrogens on adenine are attracted to the oxygen on thymine in DNA!




But we DO understand DNA. To my understanding there is little that is mysterious about it.



Why is this bothersome to you? Every crystal of ice that forms in your refrigerator will form with the same crystallography. The same "INFORMATION" content is encoded into each one. Why is that? Because the atoms and the molecules obey strict physical laws.

DNA and biochemistry, being organic, may have much more complexity when viewing it from outside, but at their basic fundamentals they still follow very much the same chemical/physical rules. They function as they do because they can't do anything else.



When I can post pictures I will do so for you. But in the meantime perhaps you could tell us what the most baffling chemical reaction in DNA is that you can imagine.

A specific chemical reaction. Whatever is the most fascinating aspect for you, please tell us what the SPECIFIC chemical reaction that is at the core of it that is the most baffling to you to conceive of.

have any peer reviews of these refrigerator formed "DNA Ice Crystals"? Not that I don't believe you, but I am feeling that this is a basic simplistic illustration with no real, real science behind it. Thanks for the comment!
 
Upvote 0

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
I am keeping this quote too.

Just for reference.

Someone has to start keeping track of what you say.

Don't be offended by this.


Why should I be? It might do you some good if you keep track of what I say. You could learn something.

I am not the hyper sensitive one here, remember?
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
have any peer reviews of these refrigerator formed "DNA Ice Crystals"? Not that I don't believe you, but I am feeling that this is a basic simplistic illustration with no real, real science behind it. Thanks for the comment!


Again, not what he said.

I am not keeping track, but you really have to stop reading into people posts what is not there.
 
Upvote 0

USincognito

a post by Alan Smithee
Site Supporter
Dec 25, 2003
42,070
16,820
Dallas
✟918,891.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
he said this too:

“It is virtually impossible to imagine how a cell’s machines…could have formed spontaneously from non-living matter,”
Jack Szostak 2009 scientific american

Hmmm, here's a link to a scanned copy of the original journal article and I don't see any elipses.
http://geotest.tamu.edu/userfiles/GEOL106/OriginOfLifeSciAm2009.pdf
"It is virtually impossible to imagine how a cell’s machines, which are mostly protein-based catalysts called enzymes, could have formed spontaneously as life first arose from nonliving matter around 3.7 billion years ago."​
Heck, that Creationist quote mine even used elipses dishonestly. It should have looked like this:
"It is virtually impossible to imagine how a cell's machines...could have formed spontaneously...from nonliving matter..."​

Creationists can't even lie with any integrity.
 
Upvote 0

mzungu

INVICTUS
Dec 17, 2010
7,162
250
Earth!
✟32,475.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Meyer earned his Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science in 1991 at the University of Cambridge.[6] His dissertation was entitled "Of clues and causes: A methodological interpretation of origin of life studies."

how is steve out of His league discussing origin of life?

they don't have an origin of life phd, HE got the closest you can get.

PhD in the History & philosophy of science.
Nope; History & Philosophy of science has nothing to do with having the right erudition regarding the origin of life. You will need two things: Chemistry and Biology. Without those, you are out of your league to discuss the origin of life.

Creationists believe that a Book (the Bible) is enough to explain the physical world and thus are more inclined to believe that a PhD in History is enough to explain the physical world. Peer review, experimentation, evidence, falsification, are words unknown to creationists let alone take heed of them.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.