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An amazing pattern of 490 years

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Let us look at some serious implications that arise from this progression of 490 years in the Old Testament.
  1. If the start of the Israel’s old calendar can be pinned to 1444 BC, it means we can follow the Sabbath years (by adding 7’s and 49’s) and link them to key events throughout Old Testament history.
  2. Daniel’s 70-weeks is not a ‘stand-alone’ count but is actually part of Israel’s ancient calendar - the Shemitah - given to Moses. (Exodus 12:2, Leviticus 25)
  3. We can assume Daniel’s 70-weeks is contiguous, because all of the previous grand jubilee eras were contiguous. There was never a break between any previous 69th / 70th week.
  4. The count reached it climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)
Which of these implications are of interest to folks here? Can we discuss one or two of them?
 
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A little on #4 ...

Jesus walked out the truth that the 50th year (Luke’s timeline) coming out of the temptation in wilderness unlike Adam having not eaten) represents which is the cumulative/marriage (in John’s timeline) end of what the feasts speak to. The heavens themselves declare this same process, just as the different relational truths to this same end can be found in the 10 promises (to the seven churches in Revelation) (the ninth one a compilation of three names, a truth relative to soul (in relationship to the image of who we are) which all the promises are) to those who overcome. The truth that 144, (14400, 144000) and what it relates to (the number of the manner of fruit (a year) that the tree of life bares), are all found in the purpose that God purposed in himself.
 
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Let us look at some serious implications that arise from this progression of 490 years in the Old Testament.
  1. If the start of the Israel’s old calendar can be pinned to 1444 BC, it means we can follow the Sabbath years (by adding 7’s and 49’s) and link them to key events throughout Old Testament history.
  2. Daniel’s 70-weeks is not a ‘stand-alone’ count but is actually part of Israel’s ancient calendar - the Shemitah - given to Moses. (Exodus 12:2, Leviticus 25)
  3. We can assume Daniel’s 70-weeks is contiguous, because all of the previous grand jubilee eras were contiguous. There was never a break between any previous 69th / 70th week.
  4. The count reached it climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)
Which of these implications are of interest to folks here? Can we discuss one or two of them?
3 and 4 are extremely important in our day because of all the fanciful prophecy based on a false 21st century "70th week of Daniel".
 
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A little on #4 ...

Jesus walked out the truth that the 50th year (Luke’s timeline) coming out of the temptation in wilderness unlike Adam having not eaten) represents which is the cumulative/marriage (in John’s timeline) end of what the feasts speak to. The heavens themselves declare this same process, just as the different relational truths to this same end can be found in the 10 promises (the ninth one a compilation of three names, a truth relative to soul, which all the promises are) to those who overcome. The truth that 144, 14400, 144000 relate to … the number of the manner of fruit (a year) that the tree of life bares elates to, which is found in the purpose that God purposed in himself.
Difficult to follow for a novice, but interesting. You obviously have reasons for stating the above, which you have not elaborated on.
 
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Difficult to follow for a novice, but interesting. You obviously have reasons for stating the above, which you have not elaborated on.

Not for the novice ... who more times then not would quickly dismiss it as vain babel (like the ten spies, I'd been one of 'em), and rightly so ...but in the end it's just a seed thats in need of water and to be warmed by the light of the son ...

For a bit fill in more of the gaps version ... like taking the not so long way home ...

What's in a week ... which the Bible, according to one perspective is only a weeks worth of information (which a 2nd week or a second forty come out of, which had everything to do with Jacob's weeks as much as it has to do with us being the Isreal of God).

We don't know a language until we think in that language ... there is a pure language just like there is a path no foul knows of and no vultures eye has ever seen ... which is not spiritual mumbo-jumbo they are pictures that depict truths that are relative to us, and can be seen as feasts, or the process of Joseph or Jacob ... Isaac ... Abraham, or what is in the ark in the narrowest and broadest sense.

The Bible the entire creation and everything in it speak the same way, reveal the same end when the language is understood in the light of the purpose it was created for. As such images are more relative to us than we really understand in a way that reveals the mystery God hid in himself, and it is every bit the story of a seed as it is the story of the universe to us, everything emulating this truth of the purpose of God both individually and collectively. Like Jacob who fled from the face of Esau but when a type of fulness of time had come his face became as the face of God to him (but not held to any one perception of this scenario but the sum of all, like the voice of many waters, or the streams thereof, or a tree that all the foul of the air find rest in).

Like something without form and void a darkness or Egypt that God calls light (a son) out of, itself a light that shines in darkness, or a darkness that becomes light, through perception is the unfolding inward reality of/in every son.

The pattern of hours days months years begins in Genesis which the word itself means origin or mode of formation.

Man is created in the week but not in the midst of the week (nor does he enter into what this means in relationship to a sabbath) ... the 6th day (man was created on) broken down in hours is 144 hours ... as the process of time unfolds a man (in the fullness of time) becomes the tree in the midst of the garden, which (after overcoming ones own soul, which to unfolds in picture form in Genesis), the eating of in one place is likened to a manna hid, or being a pillar in the house of God, and going no more out ... a son abides in the house forever, you become the truth that the earth like Hagar labored for but could not birth.

When the work of Christ is not the center then everything becomes void and without form, and the process starts over in us.
 
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Sorry for the delay. :sorry:

Yes, implication point #4 is so very important: - The count reached it climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)

Just get started please. The elders in my church have asked me to to assist in their series on Joshua and Ive got chapter 14-15. (Caleb) Can't get my head into Daniel just at the moment.
 
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Sorry for the delay. :sorry:

Yes, implication point #4 is so very important: - The count reached it climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)

Just get started please. The elders in my church have asked me to to assist in their series on Joshua and Ive got chapter 14-15. (Caleb) Can't get my head into Daniel just at the moment.
CG, care to make a stand in my thread?

Where do you fit ?
 
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Let us look at #4
The count reached its climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)

  • Our first clue comes from the ministry of John the Baptist. His opening theme is, “The Kingdom of God is at hand.” (Matt. 3:2) It harks back to Daniel prediction of God’s kingdom arriving during the time of 4 great beast empires. (Daniel 2:44) Apart from whatever interpretation we might have of the ‘beasts’, one thing stands out clearly: John had been counting something and he was saying that its climactic fulfilment had arrived! I believe he had been counting Jubilee years.
  • Our second clue is the Jubilee itself. It kept repeating with a highly symbolic release of slaves, debts and land leases every 49 years. “You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years. Then you shall sound the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month. On the Day of Atonement you shall sound the trumpet throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants.” (Leviticus 25:8-10)
So, when Jesus stepped into the synagogue at Nazareth and said, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives,” it is little wonder that their eyes were bugging out of their heads. They knew exactly what he was inferring: He was the fulfillment of the Jubilee!

The date Jesus said this was AD 27 and exactly 30*49=1470 years after the calendar had been given to Moses.
 
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Sorry for the delay. :sorry:

because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)

It immediately brings to mind:

"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered Him," We are Abraham's seed and were never in bondage to anyone. How do you say, You will be made free?"
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever practices sin is the slave of sin. And the slave does not abide in the house forever, but the Son abides forever. Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed." ( John 8:32-36).
 
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It immediately brings to mind:

"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered Him," We are Abraham's seed and were never in bondage to anyone. How do you say, You will be made free?"
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever practices sin is the slave of sin. And the slave does not abide in the house forever, but the Son abides forever. Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed." ( John 8:32-36).

Wonderful scripture. :clap: Yes, Im sure that it is speaking of how Jesus fulfilled the Jubilee in his ministry. I would go so far as to say that he fulfilled the entire Sabbatical system too. In recent years certain end-time writers (Camping / Cahn come to mind) have projected the shemittah beyond it's natural fulfillment. This is completely missing the point, and should not be done IMO.

Sabbath keepers do the same thing. It is fulfilled in our 'rest' in Christ.
 
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Wonderful scripture. :clap: Yes, Im sure that it is speaking of how Jesus fulfilled the Jubilee in his ministry. I would go so far as to say that he fulfilled the entire Sabbatical system too. In recent years certain end-time writers (Camping / Cahn come to mind) have projected the shemittah beyond it's natural fulfillment. This is completely missing the point, and should not be done IMO.

Sabbath keepers do the same thing. It is fulfilled in our 'rest' in Christ.
I agree: "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." (Ps 33:6).

The Word of God is Jesus, and God rested on the seventh day. His work was complete. The Hebrew word shabat is derived from shaba, which means "to be complete". Adam and Eve were in Christ, and the universe was in a state of rest. Was God going to "go back to work after the sabbath"? Of course not. His work was complete.

The sabbath rest in the law is a shadow of Christ, our sabbath rest:

" Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col 2:16-17)

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Gal 3:24-25).

Adam sinned and died spiritually, losing his connection with His Creator. But our Creator came as a man, and became the last Adam, and the Son of Man. Those who are in Him through birth from above by His Spirit, and who abide in Him and He in them, are in God's sabbath rest.

I think you may (and probably will) disagree with me about the rest:

It's a new creation in Christ because the old has been regenerated through the death and resurrection of Christ, and delivered from the bondage of decay:

"Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." (Rom 8:21-23).

When the creature itself is delivered from the bondage of corruption we will see the new heavens and the new earth. It's through the death and resurrection of Christ, regenerating the old creation:

" Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17).

I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about the new creation (the new heavens and new earth). Jesus would not have become flesh and become like the creature, to die and rise again from the dead in order to regenerate what had died and become subject to bondage to corruption because of the sin of Adam, if He was merely going to dissolve the old creation by fire, and melt all its elements with fervent heat later.

No - that part is called "the lake of fire" and is reserved only for those who will go to perdition.

The creature itself becomes a new creation - a new heavens and new earth - ""Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." (Rom 8:21-23).

But this will not happen before the time appointed by God, any more than the return of Christ will happen before the time appointed by God.
 
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Here is a video that deal with points 1 and 4 and have a direct bearing on the repeating 49-year (and 490-year) cycles. It is an extraordinary count of years that has gone unnoticed because of small glitches in our start and finish dates, as mentioned before.

#1. If the start of the Israel’s old calendar can be pinned to 1444 BC, it means we can follow the Sabbath years (by adding 7’s and 49’s) and link them to key events throughout Old Testament history.
#4. The count reached it climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)

I produced this message a few years back, so please forgive the slightly scratchy sound. The information here is especially important to prophetic studies, so I hope that it helps a few end-time folk rethink Daniel's 70 weeks. (15 minutes)

 
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Here is a video that deal with points 1 and 4 and have a direct bearing on the repeating 49-year (and 490-year) cycles. It is an extraordinary count of years that has gone unnoticed because of small glitches in our start and finish dates, as mentioned before.

#1. If the start of the Israel’s old calendar can be pinned to 1444 BC, it means we can follow the Sabbath years (by adding 7’s and 49’s) and link them to key events throughout Old Testament history.
#4. The count reached it climax in the ministry of Jesus the Messiah. As it began with the emancipation of the slaves from bondage, so it ends with Jesus opening words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me … to proclaim liberty to the captives.” (Luke 4:16-21)

I produced this message a few years back, so please forgive the slightly scratchy sound. The information here is especially important to prophetic studies, so I hope that it helps a few end-time folk rethink Daniel's 70 weeks. (15 minutes)

At 10:45 or 10:46 the video loses sound and your narrative disappears into a very faint background whisper. It comes back at 11:13.
 
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At 10:45 or 10:46 the video loses sound and your narrative disappears into a very faint background whisper. It comes back at 11:13.

Yeah, it was a bit of a technical challenge because the sound track was copied from a message I shared at church, but the slide sequence was created later. So, I had to chop out some audio but keep the background sabbatical dates rolling. Times like these we need our own geek. :help:
 
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