Amos 3:7, the New Testament & the Commandments

[bugkiller]

You've been told more than once no doubt you're promoting a half truth because the verse your partial quote comes from says sin is also transgression of the law. This means that sin isn't only transgression of the law. In this case the verse is talking about the Mosaic law also known as the ten commandments. Since gentiles weren't ever given this law they can't violate it. Does that mean gentiles can't sin? How many examples do you need to prov they in fact did?

Yeah he and I have been at it for years.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The new covenant doesn't place the old covenant in our hearts.

Jer 31:32 is thrown out all the time.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Maybe you can say buggy doesn't understand that. I read Acts. Acts doesn't agree with you. John doesn't either. Gentiles can partake of the same new covenant without becoming Jews. You're clearly preaching Judaism and requiring it of Christians. The Apostles said no.

Bugster agrees with you and Acts on this point.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Thank you for the reply Bob,

John 13:34 does not do away with God's instuctions Jesus has instructed His deciples to love each other, nothing is said about removing God's instuctions in this passage.

John 15:10 He kept The Father's commandments, that is love we keep His commandment which are the same as the Father they are one so must we. This does not say I have done away with the Father's commandments. It's states quite the opposite, they are passed down from the Father to the Son to us so we can glorify God and love each other. I do not see where the commandments are done away with in this verse.

John 3:19-24
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
22 After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there. And they came and were baptized. 24 For John had not yet been thrown into prison.

Where in this passage does the Son do away with The Father's instuctions?

The OP is about the prophets writing about what is to come, I do not recall the prophets stating that the Messiah was going to do away with God's law. The fullfillment is what was written Isaiah 53 Psalm 22. He will come and suffer for our transgression. I would be interested if you could show me in any of the prophecies in the Tenakh (OT) where that prophets said the Messiah would put an end to God's law.

Why do you not ask this about Jn 15:10? It is a comparative statement. Jesus takes possession of the commandments He issues, not the ones He kept. The statement Jesus makes in Jn 15:10 is the same statement found in 14:15 without the comparison.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Just one last question I did not answer. Why do I choose to observe these commandment. Because God said it will go well with me to follow His instructions, He created me and I have faith that He knows what is best for me. If I want to know how to live in rightousness I will do what God says is good even if my human brain cannot make it fit in my moral box.

Why do you choose not to follow God's instuctions?

Christians follow Jesus and not the law issued to Israel. Some claim they follow the law, but follow neither it nor Jesus in reality.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In scripture where does it separate out what part of the law will be written on our heart? Where does it say the law with the exception of the Sabbath and other assorted laws?

Would you mind explaining Jer 31:31-33 word by word or phrase by phrase? It is one sentence.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I never said by our own rightousness, even quoted Dueteronomy 9 and said same was for Israel.

Please read my quotes before you reply with saying what I said and did not say.

The Covenant is a marriage Covent read Isaiah and Jerimiah. Israel played the harlot and broke the Covenant so God devorced her read them please it will explain this. I was going to cut verses but you really need to read the entire book to understand what God did to Israel and to Judah.

I said the old Covenant is dead did you not read that in my post?

The new Covenant for Israel and Judah and (gentiles get to be apart by being grafted in)is THE LAW WRITTEN on OUR INWARD PARTS. Not parts of the law not what we determine as moral and immoral. We are never given the authority to decide what is and is not sin where does scripture even hint to that idea? God defines sin in His law.

Jesus paid the price for our lawlessness deeds now we are to walk in newness of life, not continue in lawlessness.

I wish to ask you this question, where was it prophecied that the Messiah would do away with God's law?

I am gonna pass on this one, not because I an not explain and refute you. It would just be a waste of time and effort.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I did answer.

That means ten commandments and more.
Sounds like your waiting to get something off your chest....?

Yeah maybe he does need to get something off his chest. But why will you not show with Scripture commandments in the verse are indeed the 10 Cs. My deal is you can not deliver any goods.

bugkiller

 

[Yanni depp]

Yeah maybe he does need to get something off his chest. But why will you not show with Scripture commandments in the verse are indeed the 10 Cs. My deal is you can not deliver any goods.

bugkiller

Jesus said john 14:15, not me lol. Jesus expanded on some of the decalogue with the sermon on the mount, and we shouldnt sin so grace will abound.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

 

[Bob S]

Just one last question I did not answer. Why do I choose to observe these commandment. Because God said it will go well with me to follow His instructions, He created me and I have faith that He knows what is best for me. If I want to know how to live in rightousness I will do what God says is good even if my human brain cannot make it fit in my moral box.

Hi John, I presume you are a gentile and I also presume you observe Passover as instructed in Torah. God only asked Israel to do that so why do you feel impelled to do something God never expected of you. Do you believe you will receive extra points for such actions?

In my last post I asked you to answer a couple of questions and you didn't so I will ask again: "I know I aggravate Messianics when I ask them why they don't build a temple and reinstate the levitical priesthood. You tell us that it is the Torah that is written in our hearts yet when I ask you if you wear tassels on the four corners of your garments I never have received an answer. If it is written in the heart it must be a requirement. The Sabbath issue is the one I like to expound on. If it is written in the heart why are not but a few that observe it. It would seem that if the Holy Spirit was pricking the conscience people would be flooding to Sabbath observing churches. When I was SDA we spent millions after millions trying to convince the world that Sabbath was a requirement for Christians. Very few ever made the decision to join. Even if they did many would soon leave."

Why do you choose not to follow God's instuctions?

I do follow God's instructions John. By the way His instructions are found in 1Jn3:19-24 not from the old covenant where the instructions are only for Israel which is no more.

 

[1John2:4]

I will try to be nice and not combative in my answer.

You need to read your post several times and think about it. It is glaringly obvious.

bugkiller

It would be easier if you would just point it out

 

[1John2:4]

Christians follow Jesus and not the law issued to Israel. Some claim they follow the law, but follow neither it nor Jesus in reality.

bugkiller

What, Christians don't follow the law or Jesus?

 

[1John2:4]

Hi John, I presume you are a gentile and I also presume you observe Passover as instructed in Torah. God only asked Israel to do that so why do you feel impelled to do something God never expected of you. Do you believe you will receive extra points for such actions?

In my last post I asked you to answer a couple of questions and you didn't so I will ask again: "I know I aggravate Messianics when I ask them why they don't build a temple and reinstate the levitical priesthood. You tell us that it is the Torah that is written in our hearts yet when I ask you if you wear tassels on the four corners of your garments I never have received an answer. If it is written in the heart it must be a requirement. The Sabbath issue is the one I like to expound on. If it is written in the heart why are not but a few that observe it. It would seem that if the Holy Spirit was pricking the conscience people would be flooding to Sabbath observing churches. When I was SDA we spent millions after millions trying to convince the world that Sabbath was a requirement for Christians. Very few ever made the decision to join. Even if they did many would soon leave."

I do follow God's instructions John. By the way His instructions are found in 1Jn3:19-24 not from the old covenant where the instructions are only for Israel which is no more.

I believe the temple will come down and be placed as in Revelation. I am unsure how the sacrifice and offerings will resume it says so in Eziekiel but is unclear in other prophecy. I believe the people of God will be keeping Sukkot as in Zachariah 14 and the ones outside the gate will be in danger. Tzizi yes thats a good idea, God wanted us to rember His commandments. Holy Spirit and the Sabbath that is a discussion between us and God, my spirit grieves for it, yours does not, I can not answer that question but I would be very interested in knowing the reason mine does and yours does not. I guess it's the million dollar question on this forum.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What, Christians don't follow the law or Jesus?

Change the comma - delete it.
"What Christians don't follow the law or Jesus?" becomes easy to answer - Jesus Himself says:

Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
biblehub.com/luke/6-46.htm - Cached - Similar
"Why do you keep calling me 'Lord, Lord,' but don't do what I tell you? NET Bible ... "And why do you all call me 'Master, Master' and yet not do what I tell you?‎Luke 6:47 - ‎Luke 6:45 - ‎Luke 6:46 KJV

 

[1John2:4]

Would you mind explaining Jer 31:31-33 word by word or phrase by phrase? It is one sentence.

bugkiller

It's kinda like groundhogs day around here.

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

 

[1John2:4]

Bob S, Bugkiller and Listed,
I feel like I have replied to your questions and I was hoping one of you could reply to the question I asked of you.

Where was it prophecied in the Tenakh (OT) that the Messiah was going to do away with God's law?

 

[BobRyan]

Bob S, Bugkiller and Listed,
I feel like I have replied to your questions and I was hoping one of you could reply to the question I asked of you.

Where was it prophecied in the Tenakh (OT) that the Messiah was going to do away with God's law?

Very good point!

Answer: nowhere

New Covenant "I will WRITE My Law on their heart and mind" is not "I will DELETE My Law".

 

[listed]

Why do you not ask this about Jn 15:10? It is a comparative statement. Jesus takes possession of the commandments He issues, not the ones He kept. The statement Jesus makes in Jn 15:10 is the same statement found in 14:15 without the comparison.

bugkiller

Interesting point.

 

[listed]

Jesus said john 14:15, not me lol. Jesus expanded on some of the decalogue with the sermon on the mount, and we shouldnt sin so grace will abound.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

What does Jesus take possession of? Answer - His commandments. Are these commandments the law given to Israel? No, because Jesus obeyed those commandments as claimed with the same combined statement in the next chapter. Jesus didn't take possession of those commandments.

You don't understand the word fulfill and ignore what Jesus said in Luke 24:44 and many other verses showing a change of the law.

 

[listed]

It would be easier if you would just point it out

What is unreasonable about buggy's request? Would you hear if he did your work? I doubt it.