Am I a Messianic Jew?

[SonWorshipper]

Yahweh Nissi, you may not at this time be considered a Messianic Believer, but I think that from what I have read that you wish to (re) discover your roots, and Messianic Judism is the perfect place. Do you know of any congregations near-by? I know there's not alot in Great Britian, but there are some.

And please, you are not to turn completely from Moses, this is your heritage and should be embraced. I believe that you know where your salvation comes from and that there is nothing you can do to earn that. But there is much fulfillment in exploring your heritage and worshipping the Lord in a Messianic setting. I pray that you can find one near you, to at least explore, and maybe in time for Pesache!

 

[SonWorshipper]

Sending some blessings your way to go with the prayers!

 

[Yahweh Nissi]

A hah!  So it was you

Thank you for the blessings, and even more for your prayers.  Yeah, that is basically the idea of why I am searching, and I really appriciate the help and support people have been giving me.  I think that there is a Messianic comunity in Leeds (my home town in the North of England).  Christian Witness to Israel certainly has a branch here, I am thinking of getting in touch with them.

God bless.

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Yesterday at 07:34 AM sonworshipper said this in Post #17

You are Messianic, by what definition?

LOL, this is a funny question. There is only one definition of being a Messianic gentile believer.. and I think you already know it..

 

Missy

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Today at 01:05 AM Ezra said this in Post #20



Greetings, Yahweh Nissi:

You say you were converted to Christianity, but were you converted to Christ? There’s a world of difference. Do you know that you’ve been born-again, washed in His blood, robed in His righteousness, placed into His body by the Holy Spirit, and have the gift of eternal life? (see Titus 3:4-7).

If you are saved, you are a child of God and your human heritage, whether Jewish or Gentile, means nothing to God:

For by one [Holy] Spirit, are we all baptized [immersed supernaturally] into one Body [the Body of all believers since Pentecost], WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, whether we be bond or free; and have been made to drink into one Spirit… Now ye are the Body of Christ, and members in particular (1 Cor. 12:12,27; see also Gal. 3:26-29).

Because of this great fact, you are forbidden by God to be circumcised, since you have received a spiritual circumcision through the new birth (Jn.1:12-13; 3:1-7). You are commanded to turn away from Moses completely, and rest in Christ:

* Behold I Paul say unto you [by the authority of Christ], THAT IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING. For I testify AGAIN to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law; ye are fallen from grace.* (Gal. 5:2-4). This *justification* is seeking to please God by returning to Moses.

***Edited this portion of the post for violation of the following rule:

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I have to say this post seems rather bogus.. why ? Because it's in a Messianic Judaism area.. and everyone knows that Messianic Jews observe the Law and also believe that the Law is still expected to be followed. And circumcision is part of that Law. This sort of seems like an anti-Messianic Jewish post and rather uncalled for completely specifically in here.

I mean no offense but I call it like I see it.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Yesterday at 02:42 PM MissytheButterfly said this in Post #25




LOL, this is a funny question. There is only one definition of being a Messianic gentile believer.. and I think you already know it..

 

Missy

Oh, I have to doubt that, I guess for some it depends on which book(s) or sites you get your info from. Such as this :

What is a Messianic Gentile?!!
That seems like such a strange term.
Perhaps the meaning of the term will become clearer as we attempt to clarify the meaning of "Messianic Jewish".

It is generally understood that being Jewish means being a descendent of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and it implies being a follower of Judaism and its practices. In another sense, it is applied to anyone who has joined himself to the people of Israel through ritual conversion, including circumcision for men. The term "Messianic" (i.e. "of Messiah or Christ") refers to anyone, Jew or gentile, who has chosen to follow the Messiah Yeshua (Jesus). Scripturally, the term "gentile' refers to someone who was born of non-Jewish parents and who did not identify himself with Israel through ritual conversion and circumcision. Thus, a "Messianic gentile" could be applied to anyone who was born of non-Jewish parents and who is a follower of Yeshua.

Most Messianic gentiles have chosen to worship the Lord in a setting that is largely devoid of any Jewish [culture]- - - -the traditional church.


Well that is one groups ( or individual's ) definition.

However this is not my understanding nor practice.

 

[NOTso angry-amy]

so then christians from traditional denominations could (in theory) call themselves messianic gentiles?

 

[MissytheButterfly]

8th April 2003 at 08:49 AM sonworshipper said this in Post #27



Oh, I have to doubt that, I guess for some it depends on which book(s) or sites you get your info from. Such as this :

What is a Messianic Gentile?!!
That seems like such a strange term.
Perhaps the meaning of the term will become clearer as we attempt to clarify the meaning of "Messianic Jewish".

It is generally understood that being Jewish means being a descendent of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and it implies being a follower of Judaism and its practices. In another sense, it is applied to anyone who has joined himself to the people of Israel through ritual conversion, including circumcision for men. The term "Messianic" (i.e. "of Messiah or Christ") refers to anyone, Jew or gentile, who has chosen to follow the Messiah Yeshua (Jesus). Scripturally, the term "gentile' refers to someone who was born of non-Jewish parents and who did not identify himself with Israel through ritual conversion and circumcision. Thus, a "Messianic gentile" could be applied to anyone who was born of non-Jewish parents and who is a follower of Yeshua.

Most Messianic gentiles have chosen to worship the Lord in a setting that is largely devoid of any Jewish [culture]- - - -the traditional church.


Well that is one groups ( or individual's ) definition.

However this is not my understanding nor practice.

Sometimes there are many definition for the same things.. I specifically stated that you already know what a MGB was since you are one. And since I already knew what your "understanding" was from other posts that you have made here on CF I was pretty sure you had a grip of what it actually was. And frankly, I still believe you have a grip on what it actually is.

That website that I posted from has a certain aspect of what an MGB is, and it's not neccessarily how I define myself either. But hey, you don't define me as an MGB either so what difference does it really make ? I am multi-racial (italian, native-american, and black) and well to some that just means I am black with some extra stuff added in.. but to others it means I am not all of anything. I heard a saying before that goes, "There is no truth, only perception".

If you had an "issue" with what the site said that I posted from.. you could simple state what your "understanding" is to help more people understand from your own perspective. Because it just looks like a bunch of drama and friction one wants to make for the sake of confusion unneccessarily when they start ranting and raving sacastically when they don't like what someone posted. 

Missy

 

 

[MissytheButterfly]

8th April 2003 at 01:21 PM NOTso angry-amy said this in Post #28

so then christians from traditional denominations could (in theory) call themselves messianic gentiles?

In some people's perception.. sure. In others.. no. One has to make their own decision on what they perceive..

Missy

 

[SonWorshipper]

Today at 12:03 PM MissytheButterfly said this in Post #29



Sometimes there are many definition for the same things.. I specifically stated that you already know what a MGB was since you are one. And since I already knew what your "understanding" was from other posts that you have made here on CF I was pretty sure you had a grip of what it actually was. And frankly, I still believe you have a grip on what it actually is.

That website that I posted from has a certain aspect of what an MGB is, and it's not neccessarily how I define myself either. But hey, you don't define me as an MGB either so what difference does it really make ? I am multi-racial (italian, native-american, and black) and well to some that just means I am black with some extra stuff added in.. but to others it means I am not all of anything. I heard a saying before that goes, "There is no truth, only perception".



If you had an "issue" with what the site said that I posted from.. you could simple state what your "understanding" is to help more people understand from your own perspective. Because it just looks like a bunch of drama and friction one wants to make for the sake of confusion unneccessarily when they start ranting and raving sacastically when they don't like what someone posted. 

Missy

 

I'm sorry I hadn't realized that you were posting info from a site that was not why I posted what I did. In fact after a review of all your posts I can't find any that say you posted from a site. I was just trying to show that there are various definitions of a Messianic Believer, from all different viewpoints and when explaining what that is to someone that doesn't know , such as the author, that it should not be stated as such. I did not post my "understanding" of such. I am sorry you feel the way you do.

 

[MissytheButterfly]

Today at 05:42 PM sonworshipper said this in Post #31




I'm sorry I hadn't realized that you were posting info from a site that was not why I posted what I did. In fact after a review of all your posts I can't find any that say you posted from a site. I was just trying to show that there are various definitions of a Messianic Believer, from all different viewpoints and when explaining what that is to someone that doesn't know , such as the author, that it should not be stated as such. I did not post my "understanding" of such. I am sorry you feel the way you do.

There is no way you could have reviewed all of my posts because if you did you would have seen all these where I quoted from sites and posted sources:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=763202#post763202 post number 17

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/38544-1.html post number 7

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=696145#post696145 post number 10

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/37608-5.html post number 43

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/37509-1.html post number 3

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/36985-9.html post number 90

I could go on.. but for the sake of time and space,  I won't.

And considering on another thread in the Messianic FAQ area you said that you think I get all my information from books and sites and then preceeded asking if I had a Rabbi..blah blah blah..(can't get to it, believe mods erased it because of the confusion) I am finding it hard to comprehend why you are now saying that you have never seen me post anything from a site. Because if you hadn't, I wonder why you stated that's where my info seems to come from books and sites..

So I am sure you can see why I have some trouble accepting what you state here..

And no, you haven't posted your "understanding" in full blown out detail but I have read where you have posted what you do practice and also have read on that same Messianic FAQ thread where you preceeded to tell me about divisions between Gentiles and Jews and that I was making that division simply because I stated something in a totally different thread about Acts 15 (which you took out of context, because you don't know me as I said). So if you told me all of that and then went on to quote bible scriptures about what you think that makes me wrong on that thread..it's pretty obvious what you think a MGB is.. doesn't take a rocket scientist..

Shalom,

Missy

 

[Higher Truth]

I have seen the term Netzarim used on this thread. Is there any particular group of "Netzarim" you are referring to?

 

[Higher Truth]

Pray4,

Nice to see you as well. I came on the forum to enter into the Aramaic discussion that the Thadman is running. Hope all is well with you and yours.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

so then christians from traditional denominations could (in theory) call themselves messianic gentiles?

Greetings NOTso angry-amy,

From all that I have read on this I would say only if they observe the Torah in the context that YHWH has setup. And I myself am a Non-Jew and Call myself a Messianic Believer. I did post an explaination of that here:
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?postid=802198&postcount=4

Shalom,
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