Am I a bad person because I don't believe in eternal hell?

[Der Alte]

Perhaps you should reread your own posts to see if they make sense. You are capable of doing that lest I get the wrong impression.

If I post anything which you do not understand ask me to clarify and I will.

The father was not speaking. Jesus is speaking through the father to make his point. Do you know not how to interpret parables? Parables were Jesus' main teaching tool to illustrate spiritual truths. Your claim of figurative speaking is nonsense. You imagine that the father is saying the equivalent of "he's dead to me" as you used in employing your Korea experience. The problem with your figurative illustration is that the father of the prodigal never took that attitude toward his lost son. Instead, he looked forward to his son's return and threw a celebration when the prodigal returned home.

Jesus used real life occurrences/situations. In real life situations Jesus does not give the participants the words to speak. And that is how Jesus' 1st century audience would have understood the parable.
The father in the parable considered his son dead while he was absent.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; ​

So are you saying a believer can "lose" his salvation? If so, how just does a believer lose his salvation der alter? More details please? If you disagree, how do you explain James 5:19-20 which you totally ignored? Care to explain what James meant in light of what you believe?

Hebrews 6:4-6
(4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.​

Only genuine believers can fall away.

John 15:6-7
(6) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
(7) If ye abide [stay. remain] in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.​

Nonsense. Scripture states

"And you, the anointing that you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But just as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him. 1 Jn 2:27

And that is why we have a plethora of different denominations all claiming that only they have the correct interpretation of scripture and they are right and everyone else is wrong, e.g. LDS, JW, WWCG, UU, OP, UPCI, INC

Be more specific and refrain for speaking in generalities. In other words, deal with the textual evidence and and point out to me where it was changed according to your allegation.

Abjects -Vile or degraded men; outcasts
Acceptation-Acceptance; approval
Adamant-A very hard rock or mineral
Affright-To scare or frighten
Afore-Prior to; before
Agone-Earlier; Ago
Ague-Fever
Ambassage-A message or a party of messengers
Amerce-To impose a fine as punishment
Angle-Fishhook
Anon-Right away; Immediately
Appertain-Related to; Belonging to; Pertaining to
Array-(1) To set in order or to place things or people in proper arrangement.
(2) to clothe or dress in garments, often decorative or ceremonial.
Assayed-Attempted; Tried; Tested
Astonied-Dazed; Bewildered; Taken by surprise
Barked-Removed the bark from; Stripped bare
Beeves-Domestic bovines; Cattle or Oxen
Belied-Lied about; Spoke falsely against
Besom-Broom
Bethink-Come to one's senses; Reconsider.

False. Acts 23 makes it clear that Paul who was also a Jew was speaking to his Jewish brethren which the verse clearly distinguishes. Your attempt to conflate Jewish brethren with Christian brethren whom Paul did address in Rom 8:13 is clearly without warrant. Same thing with Acts 28:17. Paul is addressing his Jewish brethren. Conflating the two and taking things out of context amounts to nothing more than eisegesis in order to support your belief.

Moving the goalposts. That is not what you said initially. Do you think that is the way formerly pagan Christians would have understood Paul's use of the word brethren in Acts and in other verses when he was writing to the churches?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Those who rejects Jesus will get exactly what they deserve.

Agreed. And what do they deserve? JESUS haha.

That's why I like the idea that the devil gets saved eventually. Can you imagine any thought more distasteful to satan than his willing and sincere repentance, the ultimate prodigal restored! He can put up with the lashings, but this?! What do you think is tormenting him so bad in the fire?

The Bible really does not give us much information about the Second Death in the Lake of Fire. We know this takes place after the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

Well, it does tell us quite a bit about the lake of fire, like whoever emerges from it (eg the nations) is purified (so as to be entitled to enter through the open gates of the City), and repentant (to bring their honour and glory to the throne). It is therefore at least where unbelief is destroyed.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What do you think is tormenting him so bad in the fire?

Fire is one of the 22 Hebrew letters. One of the main elements that makes up this world. It is represented by the letter W. Just as we hear about Earth Wind and Fire. At first the world was cleansed by water. Now we hear the Earth is already being cleansed by Fire. Last year California was on fire. This year it is the amazon forest that is on fire. This is suppose to represent how the world is cleansed. Perhaps the lake of fire destroys anything and everything that God is not a part of. So everything returns to the condition or state it was in before the beginning.

I had a dream when I was around 12 years old where God showed me the universe is expanding and someday there will be a crunch where all of the universe will come back together again. In Kabbalah they call this a contraction. This has to do with run and return or the cycle of life. I do not much get into trying to understand all of the symbols other then the 22 letters that makes up the Hebrew that was used to write the Torah and the rest of the old testament. We are told that God used language to Speak the Universe into Existence. Hebrew is said to be the language that God used. Although Frances Collins has written a book where we are told that DNA is the language of life that God uses.

Today when we cremate someone we do not actually destroy the elements. All the atoms are still there, most of what is lost is water. Even my son and I did the math. If you use the computer binary code there is enough space on the atoms to store all the memory we have in our body or brain. If somehow God is able to bring all those atoms back together again. So all our memory could not only survive death, they could also survive cremation. Although we do read about the loss of memory in the Bible. AS in I will remember their sins no more. Or how the memory of some people will perish.

We are told that everything is based on free will and the love of God. So that God will preserve those who love Him. It could be that those who do not have the love of God in them will be cleansed and purified in the lake of fire.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I had a dream when I was around 12 years old where God showed me the universe is expanding and someday there will be a crunch where all of the universe will come back together again. In Kabbalah they call this a contraction.

I think they call that 'the Big Crunch'. It's an actual astro-theory. Problem is, you'd need to be 12 years old to believe it, and the other rubbish they peddle for cosmology. Me, I accept the Biblical creation of a flat, domed, stationary earth. I believe the science (real science - observation and experiment using the scientific method, as opposed to theory and mathemagic CGI fantasy) abundantly supports it. Modern cosmology all comes from the black magic pages of the Kabbalah, Zohar and Babylonian Talmud. Don't think the devil foists the evolution lie and takes a sabbath!

the 22 letters that makes up the Hebrew that was used to write the Torah and the rest of the old testament. We are told that God used language to Speak the Universe into Existence. Hebrew is said to be the language that God used.

Sure, although God is an Englishman! Are you aware of the 'aleph tavs' that fill the Tanakh, about 9,000 of them, the untranslatable word discarded by the translators as a Hebrew grammatical device? Occurs twice in the first seven words of Gen 1:1, and is provably a meaningful 'word', the alpha and omega there at the beginning, the word the translators rejected lol.

It could be that those who do not have the love of God in them will be cleansed and purified in the lake of fire.

I trust God will make a universalist of you yet brother! Just keep in mind it's holy fire, not earthly fire.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Problem is, you'd need to be 12 years old to believe it, and the other rubbish they peddle for cosmology.

Not at all. I have Neil DeGrasse Tyson's book here on Astrophysics and this is how the universe began before the universe began to expand. This is taught by the Kabbalah masters going back at least 1,000 years. This is represented in the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet the Yod. This is the smallest letter because it represents a contraction. We see this in black holes where the light is not able to escape. Back before God said: "Let there be light". There is also a singularity in all of this. We can have a discussion about Tyson's book if you want. Or you can show me your PhD in astrophysics, then we can listen to your theories. Do you even know about Planck time and a Planck length. Although my son says there is no such thing because everything can be divided up into an infinite number of lengths. According to Tyson the Universe stated off a trillion degrees Kelvin with a time span of trillionth of a second. We can actually only photograph a millionth of a second. Anyways, I was just telling you about a dream I had and what I saw in that dream. Something I can now confirm using Science and the ancient study of Kabbalah.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Me, I accept the Biblical creation of a flat, domed, stationary earth

The earth is anything but stationary. If you study the Hebrew language the idea is one of a cycle. Today we would call this an orbit. This has to do with what they call to run and return or what some people call the cycle of life. Disney loves to promote this in some of the movies they are feeding to our young people.

Abraham was called to come out from among them. He was able to separate truth from error. If we really are the children of Abraham, adopted or otherwise, then we will be able to do the same.

All the cycles seem to be endless. Even if you look at the spin-down rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon and how delicate and finely balanced this dance is between the Earth - Moon & Sun. We see how this is translated into the ebb and flow of the tides in the ocean. My son is working on a degree in computer engineering, but he has taken so many math classes that he will also be getting a degree in mathematics. It is not that he planned it that way. It is just that the councilors even at the university kept putting him in math classes that it turned out he did not need for his computer degree. He can pretty much come up with a simple formula for anything I am talking about. Well simple for him

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Not at all. I have Neil DeGrasse Tyson's book here on Astrophysics and this is how the universe began before the universe began to expand. This is taught by the Kabbalah masters going back at least 1,000 years. This is represented in the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet the Yod. This is the smallest letter because it represents a contraction. We see this in black holes where the light is not able to escape. Back before God said: "Let there be light". There is also a singularity in all of this. We can have a discussion about Tyson's book if you want. Or you can show me your PhD in astrophysics, then we can listen to your theories. Do you even know about Planck time and a Planck length. Although my son says there is no such thing because everything can be divided up into an infinite number of lengths. According to Tyson the Universe stated off a trillion degrees Kelvin with a time span of trillionth of a second. We can actually only photograph a millionth of a second. Anyways, I was just telling you about a dream I had and what I saw in that dream. Something I can now confirm using Science and the ancient study of Kabbalah.

Heliocentrism is a lie.

Geocentric Early Church Father Quotes (Long Read)



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[Shrewd Manager]

The earth is anything but stationary.

God is dead against you on this. He ought to know. So let God be true and every man a liar.
Over 200 Bible scriptures say the earth is FLAT! #FlatEarthDoctrine

Disney loves to promote this in some of the movies they are feeding to our young people.

That's because Disney is a den of freemasons and satanists.

If we really are the children of Abraham, adopted or otherwise, then we will be able to do the same.

Accept Bible teaching, not philosophy and vain self-deceit, nor oppositions of science falsely so-called.

Even if you look at the spin-down rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon and how delicate and finely balanced this dance is between the Earth - Moon & Sun.

This is all based on simulation based on a theory based on assumptions which are speculative and unprovable. Science fraud.

He can pretty much come up with a simple formula for anything I am talking about.

Good, but math is not reality. Scientific reality is based on testing a hypothesis by the scientific method. Observation and experiment. This is how the earth can proven repeatedly and in manifold ways to be flat and motionless.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Heliocentrism is a lie.

Geocentric Early Church Father Quotes (Long Read)



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Nice to see you're on the right side of this issue Jude! From your compilation:

Gregory of Nyssa: “…the vault of heaven prolongs itself so uninterruptedly that it encircles all things with itself, and that the earth and its surroundings are poised in the middle, and that the motion of all the revolving bodies is round this fixed and solid center…”

And Jesus said to the Pharisees 'Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and the earth...' (Lk 12:56)

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Not at all. I have Neil DeGrasse Tyson's book here on Astrophysics and this is how the universe began before the universe began to expand. This is taught by the Kabbalah masters going back at least 1,000 years. This is represented in the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet the Yod. This is the smallest letter because it represents a contraction. We see this in black holes where the light is not able to escape. Back before God said: "Let there be light". There is also a singularity in all of this. We can have a discussion about Tyson's book if you want. Or you can show me your PhD in astrophysics, then we can listen to your theories. Do you even know about Planck time and a Planck length. Although my son says there is no such thing because everything can be divided up into an infinite number of lengths. According to Tyson the Universe stated off a trillion degrees Kelvin with a time span of trillionth of a second. We can actually only photograph a millionth of a second. Anyways, I was just telling you about a dream I had and what I saw in that dream. Something I can now confirm using Science and the ancient study of Kabbalah.

Sorry bro, but that is entirely drivel. No black holes, no billions of light years, no millionths of seconds. It's black magick, you should stay away from demonic influences.

Tyson can say anything he likes, he just just can't prove any of it, that crafty freemason.

 

[joshua 1 9]

no millionths of seconds.

According to Wiki: "The rapatronic camera (a portmanteau of rapid action electronic) is a high-speed camera capable of recording a still image with an exposure time as brief as 10 nanoseconds." So we have a camera and we have photographs that said camera has taken but somehow, someway you deny their existance?

Time itself can be very tricky. First of all if If I want to get together with a friend, then we have to have a time and a place. We both have to be at the same place at the same time. We see this with the wise men in the Bible. They wanted to give gifts to Baby Jesus. In order to do that they had to be at the same place and the same time as Jesus. The question then is: When was Jesus born. Or even more important when was the Church born. When was Peter preaching at Pentacost in the Upper room. I believe it was the year 29 AD. If you can not establish when the church began then nothing else really matters.

When it comes to time we can look at what Gerald Schroeder has to say. You are not happy with Degrasse even though he earned a bachelor's degree in Physics from Harvard University and a doctorate in astrophysics from Columbia University in 1991. Then lets go across the river from Harvard and take a look at MIT graduate Gerard Schroeder with his PhD in nuclear physics. He is going to want us to look at Einsteins theory of "Einstein, in the laws of relativity, taught the world that time passes at different rates in different environments. Absolute time does not exist in our universe. The passage of time is relative" So in effect a billionth of a second and a billion years is one and the same. The only difference is your perspective. Are you looking forward in time or are you looking back in time.

The Age of the Universe | Gerald Schroeder

I did construction work for 20 years. Even I did a lot of remodeling and renovation work. So I know about how time decays and I know how things can be restored. I can function in the real world just fine. I am pretty sure that you do not want to give up your home and go homeless. What is interesting about that is the Second Letter in the Hebrew represents a dwelling. We read in our Bible about the Incarnation, a central Christian doctrine that God became flesh, that God assumed a human nature and became a man in the form of Jesus Christ. This is the beginning. This is the first letter in the first word of our Bible this is where the story begins. In the beginning with Jesus, the Son of God. As John 1:14 tells us: "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us". When did the Word become Flesh? When was the exact time and where was the exact place that the Word becomes flesh? You can do whatever you want to do. I personally am going to go by NASA because I trust their math the most. That is how I come up with the year of 29AD for the birth of the Christian Church.

 

[joshua 1 9]

that is entirely drivel.

I do not do drivel, I do science. My dad was a Pediatrician. He served our community for 50 years, 12 hours a day for 6 days a week. When a parent has a child that is sick, they do not want "drivel". You can go on facebook to our community page and I can assure you that you will find my father was respected by the community we live in. Back in the day when people could be trusted. I use Science and I use the Bible so that one can verify the other. This is like our left and our right hand. God uses both Science and the Bible to get His message across to us. I use history also. That is a third way to verify our results. We study the evidence and then we draw our conclusions. Based on what is currently available for us to work with.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

So we have a camera and we have photographs that said camera has taken but somehow, someway you deny their existance?

I say let's see them verify 10 ns exposure.

"Einstein, in the laws of relativity, taught the world that time passes at different rates in different environments. Absolute time does not exist in our universe. The passage of time is relative" So in effect a billionth of a second and a billion years is one and the same. The only difference is your perspective. Are you looking forward in time or are you looking back in time.

Come on brother, that's arrant nonsense. To give you some perspective, Einstein devised special relativity to answer the 'problem' created by the Michelson-Morley Experiments in the 1880s which baffled the science establishment. These were very simple in design but highly precise experiments designed to test the speed of the earth's motion through space. The result showed that the earth was at rest, and was too shocking to accept. (Mind you, every experiment ever done to show earth's motion has came up empty.)

So what did they do? They said well, at the speed of light you get time dilation, so the measuring apparatus contracts! No actual evidence of the block changing size, and it was generally dismissed as hocum by the establishment. Still, St Einstein had a lot of low friends in high places, and despite the Sagnac experiment a few years later which definitively disproved SR, the 'transform' stuck.

So Einstein's relative time ideas such as the 'twins paradox' are easily debunked: if twin A flies away and twin B stays, it's no different that saying than twin B flies away and twin A stays, so the result is A>B and B>A, which is mathematically impossible.

Unfortunately, any scientist in the last 80 years has known it's career suicide to badmouth Einstein's theories. So they just persist, even though they have no practical application, just castles in the air, as Einstein himself called them in his final years.

I personally am going to go by NASA because I trust their math the most.

Ah Nasa, you know a meaning of the word nasa in Hebrew is 'to deceive greatly'. With that red vector tongue as the letter 't', can you see what anagram name it is?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I do not do drivel, I do science. My dad was a Pediatrician. He served our community for 50 years, 12 hours a day for 6 days a week. When a parent has a child that is sick, they do not want "drivel". You can go on facebook to our community page and I can assure you that you will find my father was respected by the community we live in. Back in the day when people could be trusted. I use Science and I use the Bible so that one can verify the other. This is like our left and our right hand. God uses both Science and the Bible to get His message across to us. I use history also. That is a third way to verify our results. We study the evidence and then we draw our conclusions. Based on what is currently available for us to work with.

Brother, I'm not making a personal attack, but the truth is the devil deceiveth the whole world. He does it in part through theoretical science falsely so-called. There's a lot of good information on this if you care to research it. At least to weigh up both sides of the argument.

He that judges a matter before he hears it, it is a shame and a folly unto him (Pro 18:13).

 

[joshua 1 9]

I say let's see them verify 10 ns exposure.

We have the photos to examine. They were photographing a nuclear explosion.

Ah Nasa, you know a meaning of the word nasa in Hebrew is 'to deceive greatly'. With that red vector tongue as the letter 't', can you see what anagram name it is?

If NASA screws up people die. Remember when they had the Challenger launch live in all the class rooms and then the blew up the children's heroes in front of them. One of the astronauts was widely promoted as being a school teacher. No doubt they make mistakes and blow people and things up. But when it comes to science they are going to be as accurate as you can get.

I have a niece that works for NASA and they are paying for her PhD. So it is a nice job if you can get hired there. They well pay for your education.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

We have the photos to examine. They were photographing a nuclear explosion.

They're just photos, they could tell us anything.

If NASA screws up people die. Remember when they had the Challenger launch live in all the class rooms and then the blew up the children's heroes in front of them. One of the astronauts was widely promoted as being a school teacher.

Good news! They survived. Nobody died, nobody got hurt:
Breaking News!; They’re Alive!!! Challenger Space Shuttle Crew Safe and Employed

 

[joshua 1 9]

There's a lot of good information on this if you care to research it.

That is not fun any more now that Steven Hawkings has died. Like Steven King their outward appearance is a reflection of how they think. People do not bat an eye over Hawkings, King, Harry Potter. But you want to attach Harvard and MIT graduates. When are considered to be the two leading institutes of higher learning here in this County. My Aunt use to teach at a Boston collage and I know how liberal they can be there in Boston. But still they are considered to be the best and most relyable when it comes to science. The same Science people trust when they buy a car or buy a home or when they go to their doctor.

 

[joshua 1 9]

They're just photos, they could tell us anything.

That is what I said when I had pain in my wrist and the doctor showed me the xrays and tried to feed me a line of BS. My dad taught me how to read xrays when I was three years old.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

That is what I said when I had pain in my wrist and the doctor showed me the xrays and tried to feed me a line of BS. My dad taught me how to read xrays when I was three years old.

I wish I'd listened more to my dad.

 

[joshua 1 9]

(Mind you, every experiment ever done to show earth's motion has came up empty.)

This is why we have the Hubble and simple trigonometry that the GPS is based on. We know that the universe is expanding. We have reason to believe that the rate of expansion has been consistent from the beginning. This gives us a date for the age of the universe. The problem with OEC is that the length of the days are not consistent. Each day is half the length of the day before it. Other then Gerald Schroeder no one has made an attempt to explain this. Do you have a issue with the Hubble photos also? Do you think they are fake?

I had to go through a lot of people before I could find anyone of any substance at all. Perhaps Dr Dino is the most obvious but some of the most dependable could not present a case that would stand up in a court of law. Hovind is not the only creation scientist to meet his fate in the courtroom.

You know as well as I do that if you want to dispute a theory you have to produce a better one. If we are not star stuff then just where do the elements come from that we are made of? Remember we have a spectrograph so we can look at any star and we know exactly what elements they are composed of.