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[LittleLambofJesus]

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

and the rest of it ... the good suffer at the hands of evil men Just as Christ suffered at the hands of sinners
God has created evil for His purpose

"No Pain, No Gain".

Revelation 2:10 `Be not afraid of the things that thou art about to suffer; lo, the devil is about to cast of you to prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days; become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.

Luke 21:28 and these things beginning to happen bend yourselves back, and lift up your heads, because your redemption doth draw nigh.'

 

[Nadiine]

and the rest of it ... the good suffer at the hands of evil men Just as Christ suffered at the hands of sinners
God has created evil for His purpose

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

No, God hasn't CREATED EVIL. Evil isn't created, it's the ABSENCE of goodness. (God's very attribute). Evil was FOUND in Lucifer when pride came thru him.

The better translation of "evil" in that verse is "disaster" or "calamity". (it amazes me why people cling to this translated word when it has other meanings).

Look at the structure of the verse also - it uses opposites: Light and Darkness, peace and ______ evil?
Evil isn't the opposite of peace, disaster/unrest & calamity are.
God brings peace and calamity when He sees fit.

God isn't the AUTHOR OF EVIL. He uses it for His purposes, but is not the creator of it. If He were, all evil things are HIS idea. Does God create evil then call it "GOOD" at the creation?
It's contradiction.

 

[repentant]

My God does not preach this..

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21567726-2,00.html

 

[Renton405]

I don't think Jews worship the true God any more than the Mohammedians do.

THe Jews used to worship God , but after they rejected Christ they rejected God and turned their backs on him(like they did during the babylonian exile), for those who reject the son reject the one who sent him..

You cannot say you worship God and yet reject Jesus Christ.. Because the Father is in him, and him in the Father..

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

I think people should be more careful in judging what one follows or does not.

Nobody can know exactly what is in the heart of another.

 

[Nadiine]

I think people should be more careful in judging what one follows or does not.

Nobody can know exactly what is in the heart of another.

You're very right on an INDIVIDUAL scale here. However, on the main religions for the majority of self proclaiming Muslims, we cannot just be in agreement that the Koran's teaching of "Allah" IS THE CHRISTIAN GOD.
Otherwise, why are we even witnessing to the LOST if we can't discern "they're lost" in the first place? It kinda puts a damper on all witness to anyone if we're to suppose, "we can't know who anyone really claims as their God... it mite just be ours for all we know".

That doesn't work with the messages of scripture we've been given; including how to judge & discern properly.

 

[Chickapee]

Originally Posted by Chickapee
and the rest of it ... the good suffer at the hands of evil men Just as Christ suffered at the hands of sinners
God has created evil for His purpose

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
No, God hasn't CREATED EVIL. Evil isn't created, it's the ABSENCE of goodness. (God's very attribute). Evil was FOUND in Lucifer when pride came thru him.

The better translation of "evil" in that verse is "disaster" or "calamity". (it amazes me why people cling to this translated word when it has other meanings).

Look at the structure of the verse also - it uses opposites: Light and Darkness, peace and ______ evil?
Evil isn't the opposite of peace, disaster/unrest & calamity are.
God brings peace and calamity when He sees fit.

God isn't the AUTHOR OF EVIL. He uses it for His purposes, but is not the creator of it. If He were, all evil things are HIS idea. Does God create evil then call it "GOOD" at the creation?
It's contradiction.

what do you think evil is ??? its disaster calamity !!
opression ,

when God made all in the garden including the tree of knowledge of good and evil ..
warning man not to touch , it

for it would bring disaster , opression and calmity
and ultimate DEATH ...
I do not blame God for mans condition , its done by being ignorant of the ways of GOD ,
and being ignorant is , a condtion , state of being , dwelling place , in a mans[general population ] heart and soul ...

i remember it well , the Lord even gives the desire to seek HIM ,, its ALL glory to God

Jhn 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
peace C ...........

 

[Nadiine]

I don't have a word for word quote but if I remember correctly, the Koran mentions Jesus Christ by name and it openly declares that He is not the Son of God. Really though that's not so different than the rest of the world that rejects Christ as the Romans were notorious for it. Of course that doesn't mean that all Muslims reject Christ. It's just something that I think Christians need to be aware of when dealing with Islam.

Muslims reject Christ as GOD, as Messiah, claim He's just a prophet of God (Muhammed is glorified over Him) and do not believe in His crucifixion for atonement of the soul. (a mandatory for salvation).

We can't claim ALL people in Muslim countries are Muslims tho, becuz I have no doubt that are plenty of them who are "underground" Christians just as China has many. They aren't actually MUSLIMS anymore tho, they've converted to Christ but haven't openly proclaimed it for fear of the death penalties.

We still witness to Muslims - becuz practicing Muslims who haven't converted to Christ worship another god, Allah.

 

[Chickapee]

Originally Posted by LadyGarnetRose
I think people should be more careful in judging what one follows or does not.

Nobody can know exactly what is in the heart of another.
You're very right on an INDIVIDUAL scale here. However, on the main religions for the majority of self proclaiming Muslims, we cannot just be in agreement that the Koran's teaching of "Allah" IS THE CHRISTIAN GOD.
Otherwise, why are we even witnessing to the LOST if we can't discern "they're lost" in the first place? It kinda puts a damper on all witness to anyone if we're to suppose, "we can't know who anyone really claims as their God... it mite just be ours for all we know".

That doesn't work with the messages of scripture we've been given; including how to judge & discern properly.

than we need to be witnessing to the muslims than and not to one another ?
for this to be true Nadiine ..
what good is the talk without the walk ?
faith without works is dead
just as the body without the Spirit is dead ..

peace C ...

 

[Nadiine]

what do you think evil is ??? its disaster calamity !!
opression ,

when God made all in the garden including the tree of knowledge of good and evil ..
warning man not to touch , it

for it would bring disaster , opression and calmity
and ultimate DEATH ...

Are you serious? GOD BRINGS JUDGMENT, PUNISHMENT AND REPAYMENT... how is that "evil"? EVIL is harm for no intent but to just hurt people for pleasure's sake, personal selfish ambition or in hatred.

God's discipline & judgments ARE NOT EVIL! To say so is to literally call God evil in His decisions to send judgments to people WHO DESERVE IT IN HIS EYES. (and don't we all deserve it ultimately?).

God's disaster & calamity are for GOOD PURPOSES as He sees fit. No, evil is not these things when God sends them upon people - His judgments are righteous and pure.
Unless you don't believe that?

 

[Nadiine]

than we need to be witnessing to the muslims than and not to one another ?
for this to be true Nadiine ..
what good is the talk without the walk ?
faith without works is dead
just as the body without the Spirit is dead ..

peace C ...

huh?

 

[Chickapee]

Originally Posted by Chickapee
what do you think evil is ??? its disaster calamity !!
opression ,

when God made all in the garden including the tree of knowledge of good and evil ..
warning man not to touch , it

for it would bring disaster , opression and calmity
and ultimate DEATH ...
Are you serious? GOD BRINGS JUDGMENT, PUNISHMENT AND REPAYMENT... how is that "evil"? EVIL is harm for no intent but to just hurt people for pleasure's sake, personal selfish ambition or in hatred.

God's discipline & judgments ARE NOT EVIL! To say so is to literally call God evil in His decisions to send judgments to people WHO DESERVE IT IN HIS EYES. (and don't we all deserve it ultimately?).

God's disaster & calamity are for GOOD PURPOSES as He sees fit. No, evil is not these things when God sends them upon people - Originally Posted by Chickapee
what do you think evil is ??? its disaster calamity !!
opression ,

when God made all in the garden including the tree of knowledge of good and evil ..
warning man not to touch , it

for it would bring disaster , opression and calmity
and ultimate DEATH ...
Are you serious? GOD BRINGS JUDGMENT, PUNISHMENT AND REPAYMENT... how is that "evil"? EVIL is harm for no intent but to just hurt people for pleasure's sake, personal selfish ambition or in hatred.

God's discipline & judgments ARE NOT EVIL! To say so is to literally call God evil in His decisions to send judgments to people WHO DESERVE IT IN HIS EYES. (and don't we all deserve it ultimately?).

God's disaster & calamity are for GOOD PURPOSES as He sees fit. No, evil is not these things when God sends them upon people - His judgments are righteous and pure.
Unless you don't believe that?Unless you don't believe that?

the tree of knowledge of good and evil when and by whom was it made Nadiniine ??
if you can answer this by what means did death come ??
I totally agree GODS judgments are righteous and true ,, pure and Holy and good and perfect ....

peace C ..

 

[Chickapee]

You're very right on an INDIVIDUAL scale here. However, on the main religions for the majority of self proclaiming Muslims, we cannot just be in agreement that the Koran's teaching of "Allah" IS THE CHRISTIAN GOD.
Otherwise, why are we even witnessing to the LOST if we can't discern "they're lost" in the first place?

than we need to be witnessing to the muslims than and not to one another ?
for this to be true Nadiine ..
what good is the talk without the walk ?
faith without works is dead
just as the body without the Spirit is dead ..

huh?

Hi Nadiine ,
you said wittnessing to muslims about your God being the True God can only be done by discernment that is to say their God is the false god right ?
than them called to do such should be witnessing to the muslims and Not condemning them right ?


Eph 6:9And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,

but against principalities,

against powers,

against the rulers of the darkness of this world,

against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,

that ye may be able to ''withstand in'' the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

its an evil day we struggle with that being the

day of Judgment for each and every'' one ''of us


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Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon'' ALL the world'', to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Peace C ..

 

[Nadiine]

the tree of knowledge of good and evil when and by whom was it made Nadiniine ??
if you can answer this by what means did death come ??
I totally agree GODS judgments are righteous and true ,, pure and Holy and good and perfect ....

peace C ..

Wasn't satan created BEFORE THE FALL? Sin was found in Lucifer prior to the garden scenario.
Genesis 2:9
Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Don't you think that PRIOR to that tree, God KNEW Satan would usurp His authority? Yes, that's taught in scripture, that Christ's crucifixion was preordained from the foundations of the earth - BEFORE God even created anything, HE KNEW evil would come thru Satan.
So He can't set a tree of that knowledge of the 2?

THAT DOESN'T TEACH THAT HE CREATED THE EVIL, does it?? SIN IS NOT CREATED, IT'S THE ABSENCE OF WHAT IS GOOD.

Sin is no more a created, tangible thing than a wound on an arm. Without the HOST (arm), the wound doesn't exist.
Until you have an arm, the cut or bruise doesn't exist. It is a result of something, not created tangibly.

God is NOT the author of evil - if He were, then God is ALSO the author of confusion (which the bible emphatically claims is not so).

 

[Nadiine]

the tree of knowledge of good and evil when and by whom was it made Nadiniine ??
if you can answer this by what means did death come ??
I totally agree GODS judgments are righteous and true ,, pure and Holy and good and perfect ....

peace C ..

I would also submit this theory: That the tree was just a regular tree like all the others. The reason that tree was called the 'knowledge of good and evil' was becuz that is the one and ONLY tree God forbid them to touch.

And the minute they ate from that tree, SIN was then committed (rebellion against God) and their knowledge of evil would be initiated THRU their sin.
Upon eating that fruit, they immediately understood they did wrong in disobeying God and saw their condition.

I don't think the tree was special or magical in any way, just that by taking from it, they committed an act of sin which immediately enlightened them to right and wrong that they didn't understand prior to sinning.

 

[LoveAlways]

I think people make the mistake of thinking that because Muslims, Jews and Christians worship a monotheistic God, and that the religions began in the same region, and some of the scriptural stories overlap, that it's the same God. But that can't be the case. How can one God have and be the son, not have or be the son? How can one God send a Messiah and later have the world's greatest prophet?

 

[Messiahship]

The god in which the Muslims call Allah, is not the true God..by this I mean the god they worship is not God..

Technically the Muslims believe Allah is the God who made the covenant with Abraham...

Just like how Jews and Christians believe in very different variations of "the same God"... Which in fact... are very different Gods... Muslims believe in a very different God... yet theoretically, the God of Abraham...

Many Muslims just have a very twisted perception of who God... "Allah" is... and believe the Lord is a war monger...

That is not the same God who I believe in...

Technically... the word "ISLAM" means "Peace:" But I don't believe Islam is a religion of "Peace"...

It is a religion of shallow excuses, from which many Muslims believe they can obtain salvation... Its a religion of deception...

I have Muslim friends... and I'm not Islmamaphobic.... but there are many scriptures in the Quran that are NOT PEACEFUL!.

You cannot wear a religion mask before the judgment of God and escape the convictions of your sin!

 

[Chickapee]

Wasn't satan created BEFORE THE FALL? Sin was found in Lucifer prior to the garden scenario.
Genesis 2:9
Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Don't you think that PRIOR to that tree, God KNEW Satan would usurp His authority? Yes, that's taught in scripture, that Christ's crucifixion was preordained from the foundations of the earth - BEFORE God even created anything, HE KNEW evil would come thru Satan.
So He can't set a tree of that knowledge of the 2?

THAT DOESN'T TEACH THAT HE CREATED THE EVIL, does it?? SIN IS NOT CREATED, IT'S THE ABSENCE OF WHAT IS GOOD.

Sin is no more a created, tangible thing than a wound on an arm. Without the HOST (arm), the wound doesn't exist.
Until you have an arm, the cut or bruise doesn't exist. It is a result of something, not created tangibly.

God is NOT the author of evil - if He were, then God is ALSO the author of confusion (which the bible emphatically claims is not so).

Hi Nadiine ,,


sorry for the delay , i was so busy yesterday with company , i was not able to be on the computer

but wanted to answer your posts and not be rude ...
my apologies for the delay
satan the subtil beast was created on the 6th day with man Gen 1:25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.Gen 1:26¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
subtil ...

1) subtle, shrewd, crafty, sly, sensible
a) crafty b) shrewd, sensible, prudent

its the way its worded here , out of the ground , just as adam was formed out of the ground ,

the dust as the first Adam is returning the curse , and its the serpents food ... dust , Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Mic 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee.

this is what i believe , as its written

satan the dragon , serpent of old , was here created from the begining ... being earthly at first and rising into heaven with the sons of God ... in job i , only to be cast back down to the earth for accusing the brethern

to me its the carnal mind [ beastly ] as Paul describes as the emnity [enemy ] warring against the Spirit ...Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
carnal ....
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this is why we need and desire the mind of Christ , as paul explains so the Law of God this new mind , & heart willing to be under His submission and authority Hbr 5:5¶So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;Though he were a Son, yet **learned he** obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

we are given also a chance to by Him interceeding for us before God , when we are yet sinners , His love for us , because of our guilt and shame we could not approach the Holy GOD without being destroyed
His Holy Mountain , no beast[ carnal mind ] could approach GOD HOLY PLACE without being stoned ... and the Lord Himself tore down the middle wall of seperation with His own flesh , making away into heaven for us ,,,

this is what i believe , i dont know if you believe the same as me , but thats ok , because what God gives us to beilieve we have our faith before HIM ,, and not any man can be accountable for us ... its the Lord Jesus Christ that came in the form of a man that dwelt with man and now Does by the Power of Gods Holy Spirit and Word of truth

peace and GOD BLESS...... C ..

 

[Nadiine]

this is what i believe , i dont know if you believe the same as me , but thats ok , because what God gives us to beilieve we have our faith before HIM ,, and not any man can be accountable for us ... its the Lord Jesus Christ that came in the form of a man that dwelt with man and now Does by the Power of Gods Holy Spirit and Word of truth

I don't consider it "rude" if you don't reply to a post Sometimes people get busy, lose interest, see no point in continuing or whatever else =)

I appreciate your post, but I don't see as how this supports your claim that God created Evil? Or maybe this wasn't meant as a support of that?...

 

[Chickapee]

I don't consider it "rude" if you don't reply to a post Sometimes people get busy, lose interest, see no point in continuing or whatever else =)

I appreciate your post, but I don't see as how this supports your claim that God created Evil? Or maybe this wasn't meant as a support of that?...

Hello Nadiine , appreciate your reply
lol , i was just try to show the origin , of the evil , found in the beastly canal mind , of the serpent , ol dragon satan , very much made by the eternal al mighty God creator of all things ..
all things , means all things , not a few things or some things but ''all things '' after doing a search on just how many times ''ALL THINGS '' was written

i was real surpised and delighted to discover this , ''all things'' are our inheritance being born again IN through and by , Christ Jesus the Holy complete ''Word of God '',, good , evil and life and death etc ..''.all things are yours .''..
i gathered this from reading Pauls revelation of many of a mystery hidden in the Book ..
in 160 verses ''all things ''from the beginning to the End ,,

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For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
C[URL="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=3&verse=9&version=kjv#9"]Eph 3:9And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
TO ME GOD IS SO GLORIOUS AND uncontainable , its past finding out ,

i know all things were made for HIS GLORY


ol 1:19

[/URL]¶For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;


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hope this helps , because as I see it everything ever made by Him and for Him will be manifested and made Known used and destroyed or built up for His purpose and eternal glory t kept thinking of this and didnt want to exclude it , to my cause

2Cr 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.

peace aand GOD BLESS , c.......