Allah

[Nadiine]

God who creates and gives life.


"Pada mulanya Allah menciptakan langit dan bumi."
-Kejadian 1:1

or

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
- Genesis 1:1

I hope this explains.

I don't know what you're quoting from above? It would help to know what this is from in order to explain anything.

Either way, God is not the moon god, Allah from the Koran/Quran.

*Since there is a language issue - if indeed other Arabic Christians do call our YHWY, "Allah" as another name for "God", then we still need to identify which God/god is being referred to due to the language barrier.

It is not enough to just ask Christians to accept that when ALL Arabs (or whoever) talk about their God, that we automatically AGREE with them that yes, Allah IS God. Because you don't know which meaning they're attributing to that name Allah.

So it has to be clarified in communication to find out which one is being referred to. There is absolutely NO WAY I believe that the Allah the Pres. of Iran worships is my YHWY! Differences must be clarified & not automatically accepted to mean YHWY just becuz SOME use Allah for "God".

 

[desmalia]

I don't know what you're quoting from above? It would help to know what this is from in order to explain anything.

I think he's just quoting the Bible in his language to show that it does use the word Allah. (But please correct me if I'm wrong )

*Since there is a language issue - if indeed other Arabic Christians do call our YHWY, "Allah" as another name for "God", then we still need to identify which God/god is being referred to due to the language barrier.

I think this basically sums up the correct response to the OP. Simply recognizing potential language barriers is always important when speaking with people of different cultures and languages. Equally true is that when someone for whom English is not their first language comes to an English website, he or she must also consider cultural and language barriers. So long as we remain respectful and use a little common sense, this does not have to be an issue in the least.

But when I am talking with my English speaking Muslim friend, I can agree with her that neither of us are polythiests. But I cannot agree that we worship the same God/god.

 

[SharonL]

The Muslims worship the one true God, their God is our God. However they have limited understanding of our God.

Muslims have a limited understanding
Jews have more
Protestants more than them
Orthodox even more
Catholics have the fullness of revelation.

Just answer one question - If Muslims worship the one true God - what do you do with the belief of Muslims to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Do you really think God would want to wipe the Apple of His eye off the face of the earth.

Just weigh out what the Bible says and what the Muslims believe - does it match up - no way.

 

[Chickapee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by angelmom01
I've read MANY threads on this forum where people refer to Allah as the God of the Muslim's as if this is a proper name of some "false god" and that is just not true, so I would really like to set the record straight and educate those who are unaware of the fact that "Allah" is the ARABIC WORD ~for~ GOD.

Just as "Dios" is the SPANISH word for GOD.

And "Dieu" is the FRENCH word for GOD.

"Allah" is the ARABIC word for GOD.

It is not the "proper name" of a particular Islamic God connected only to Muslims. Even Arabic CHRISTIANS use the word "Allah" to refer to GOD. The Aramaic BIBLE uses the word "Allah" for GOD, as it is the Arabic word ~for~ God.

I would just like to ask that we please keep that in mind when making statements about Muslims and "false gods" so that we don't insult our Arabic brothers and sisters in CHRIST because of our lack of knowledge on this subject.

Many thanks!!
angelmom

In Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei, we use the word Allah to address God. Maybe it's because of the arabic background of these place. But we Christians here still know who we worship, who we have faith in and who we believe. Although our Muslim friends sometimes get confused when we use the name Allah when addressing our God, be we believe the God we worship is different. Our God has so many different names used to call him, but that don't mean we worship different God.
Hi i found this very helpful , in the many names of God and how purposed


in the Bible just keep scrolling down , its very informative
so which name do we have for the purposed name of God allah , in aramic do you have yb from maylasia ??
God bless you all peace , C

http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.html Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickapee
Hi i found this very helpful , in the many names of God and how purposed


in the Bible just keep scrolling down , its very informative
so which name do we have for the purposed name of God allah , in aramic do you have yb from maylasia ??
God bless you all peace , C

http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.html


Good question. I've never thought about it since I use English Bible. I'll check it out as my homework and let you know about itGod who creates and gives life.


"Pada mulanya Allah menciptakan langit dan bumi."
-Kejadian 1:1

or

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
- Genesis 1:1
Quote:
God who creates and gives life.


"Pada mulanya Allah menciptakan langit dan bumi."
-Kejadian 1:1

or

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
- Genesis 1:1

I hope this explains.
thank you so muchYB!! !! you did do good homework!

GOD created 'elohiym {el-o-heem'}430 to us
'' All things ''BY HIS WISDOM

i put this up for reference
peac and thank you God bless your soul C

...Use in the Bible: : In the Old Testament Elohim occurs over 2000 times. Elohim is first used in Gen 1:1.

Variant spellings: None

TWOT Reference: 93c

Strong's Reference: 0430

Elohim in the Septuagint: theos — the standard Greek word for god, "a transcendent being who exercises extraordinary control in human affairs or is responsible for bestowal of unusual benefits" (BDAG). It specifically refers to the monotheistic God of Israel.

Meaning and Derivation: Elohim is translated as "God." The derivation of the name Elohim is debatable to most scholars. Some believe it derived from 'êl which, in turn, originates from the root word, 'wl (which means "strong"). Others think that Elohim is derived from another two roots: 'lh (which means "god") in conjunction with 'elôah (which means "fear"). And still others presume that both 'êl and Elohim come from 'eloah.

Further references of the name Elohim in the Old Testament: Complete list available here.
Originally Posted by Nadiine
I don't know what you're quoting from above? It would help to know what this is from in order to explain anything.
I think he's just quoting the Bible in his language to show that it does use the word Allah. (But please correct me if I'm wrong )

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadiine
*Since there is a language issue - if indeed other Arabic Christians do call our YHWY, "Allah" as another name for "God", then we still need to identify which God/god is being referred to due to the language barrier.

I think this basically sums up the correct response to the OP. Simply recognizing potential language barriers is always important when speaking with people of different cultures and languages. Equally true is that when someone for whom English is not their first language comes to an English website, he or she must also consider cultural and language barriers. So long as we remain respectful and use a little common sense, this does not have to be an issue in the least.

But when I am talking with my English speaking Muslim friend, I can agree with her that neither of us are polythiests. But I cannot agree that we worship the same God/god.
I hope this explains

yes your right Des


its from a conversation between Him and i

and i do believe your also right about the language barriers , many tongues and nations concidering it is the Lord himself who in gen 11 , confused the launguages for His divine purposes Genesis 11

Universal Language, Babel, Confusion

1Now the whole earth used the same language and the same words.
2It came about as they journeyed east, that they found a plain in the land (A)of Shinar and settled there.
3They said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks and burn them thoroughly." And they used brick for stone, and they used (B)tar for mortar.
4They said, "Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top (C)will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves (D)a name, otherwise we (E)will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth."
5(F)The LORD came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have (G)the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.
7"Come, (H)let Us go down and there (I)confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech."
8So the LORD (J)scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. 9Therefore its name was called [a](K)Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth.
seems its still very much this way to me , the whole world is in this state of confusion

peace C ...

 

[Chickapee]

to me its because no name but JESUS CHRIST whould be exalted above the earth into Heaven


and Paul explains this mystery from the beginning ....


Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
just so awesome to me
peace God bless C ...

 

[Fireinfolding]

We can know some specifics, but I don't think we'll grasp it's complete fullness & magnificance until we're face to face with Him. & quite frankly, if we COULD understand God fully - (who He is in all His glory), then imo, He wouldn't be such a magnificent, complex or glorious GOD at all.

Man cannot claim to 'corner the market' on all God is or has becuz the fullness of God is beyond our understanding in all it's many limitations.

Thanks Nadiine, I do agree There are some who do think they got that corner market on God. Hes always much bigger then the limitations others place on Him. He does as He pleases. Thats Good to know.

Peace

Firreinfolding

 

[Chickapee]

Quote:
We can know some specifics, but I don't think we'll grasp it's complete fullness & magnificance until we're face to face with Him. & quite frankly, if we COULD understand God fully - (who He is in all His glory), then imo, He wouldn't be such a magnificent, complex or glorious GOD at all.

Man cannot claim to 'corner the market' on all God is or has becuz the fullness of God is beyond our understanding in all it's many limitations.


fireinfolding ...
Thanks Nadiine, I do agree There are some who do think they got that corner market on God. Hes always much bigger then the limitations others place on Him. He does as He pleases. Thats Good to know.

Peace

Firreinfolding

I agree also ,
so that makes it impossible to Judge than ,,
back to square one **"""
you know that is why i love romans 14 ,!!!!, paul blessed us so much by this message , let evey man be pursuaded ...convinced , sure of ... in his own mind !!

Romans 14

Principles of Conscience

1Now (A)accept the one who is (B)weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
2(C)One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is (D)weak eats vegetables only.
3The one who eats is not to (E)regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to (F)judge the one who eats, for God has (G)accepted him.
4(H)Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5(I)One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be (J)fully convinced in his own mind.
6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he (K)gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7For not one of us (L)lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore (M)whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
9For to this end (N)Christ died and lived again, that He might be (O)Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you (P)regard your brother with contempt? For (Q)we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11For it is written,
"(R)AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, (S)EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
12So then (T)each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
13Therefore let us not (U)judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--(V)not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that (W)nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who (X)thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer (Y)walking according to love (Z)Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16Therefore (AA)do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17for the kingdom of God (AB)is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and (AC)peace and (AD)joy in the Holy Spirit.
18For he who in this way (AE)serves Christ is (AF)acceptable to God and approved by men.
19So then [a]we (AG)pursue the things which make for peace and the (AH)building up of one another.
20(AI)Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food (AJ)All things indeed are clean, but (AK)they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense.
21(AL)It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.
22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who (AM)does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But (AN)he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.


just read this again today and once again it blessed me even more than the last Time i read it !!!
prasie God for all He does for us all .. peace C ...

 

[Nadiine]

Thanks Nadiine, I do agree There are some who do think they got that corner market on God. Hes always much bigger then the limitations others place on Him. He does as He pleases. Thats Good to know.
Peace
Firreinfolding

Well with our scriptures, there is alot we can know for sure - but what I mean by 'not knowing His fullness',... I'm talking about stuff like What God shares within the Godhead- how that works, why the Holy Spirit isn't as detailed as the other 2... What the Spirit did in the Creation (as seen hovering over the waters in Gen. 1)... etc.
I dont' know all those details in exactly HOW they work & how they share their roles/duties - just what the Bible claims of the facts.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Just answer one question - If Muslims worship the one true God - what do you do with the belief of Muslims to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Do you really think God would want to wipe the Apple of His eye off the face of the earth.

Just weigh out what the Bible says and what the Muslims believe - does it match up - no way.

All they need to do is just take an eraser, and erase that name off a paper map along with the borders, and presto, no more "Israel".

 

[Sojourner<><]

A few years ago an older Arabic man randomly approached me on the street and proceeded to explain to me that within Islam, there are good and bad Muslims, the good ones being the ones that follow the invisible God. I'm not exactly sure about why he did this, it was very strange and I felt a bit threatened so I proclaimed my own faith and shuffled off. It was completely by chance but it happened to be in a time of my life when I was exploring things like the Koran and the things of other religions.

I came to find out that the Koran has a few anti-Christian verses in it that deny Jesus as the Son of God. The Koran is also very fragmented compared to the Bible, its verses fluctuate between violence and peace whereas the Bible seems to be cohesively bound by one Spirit. So basically I don't think that the Islamic idea of Allah can be considered the same as the true God of the Bible even if that's the word's literal definition. But I wouldn't be surprised if some followers of Islam are followers of the true, invisible God whereas the others, who are against Christ, are not.

 

[SpiritDriven]

How has it escaped your notice.....that both Christian and Muslim, exist only by the Will of God.... or nither would exist at all.....?

Outside of the left and right hand of God, nothing happens at all....it is just an endless void.


Peace

 

[Nadiine]

I came to find out that the Koran has a few anti-Christian verses in it that deny Jesus as the Son of God. The Koran is also very fragmented compared to the Bible, its verses fluctuate between violence and peace whereas the Bible seems to be cohesively bound by one Spirit. So basically I don't think that the Islamic idea of Allah can be considered the same as the true God of the Bible even if that's the word's literal definition. But I wouldn't be surprised if some followers of Islam are followers of the true, invisible God whereas the others, who are against Christ, are not.

Well, I'd say the entire Koran is "anti Christian" when it promotes a god other than YHWY (for starters) plus adds specific verses against Jews & Christians. And our Bible IS bound by one Spirit.

The teachings within it aren't consistent and our God most certainly doesn't promise Christian men that if they martyr themselves that they get 72 virgins as a reward.

One isn't actually a "Muslim" if they follow the true God. They become Christians by conversion - I don't know if you meant that some "Muslims" who are "underground" in their new faith in Christ outwardly [to keep their Muslim names & outward practices to keep from being put to death], but people worshipping Allah as Muslims, who believe in the god of the Koran aren't Christians just becuz some don't happen to be the "bad" radical ones. (not sure if you meant it that way or not)

They specifically have to believe in YHWY & the Christ of our Bible; spotting the difference. Realizing Christ is God who came, died and rose again; taking their sin upon Himself for atonement of our soul.

 

[Nadiine]

I agree also ,
so that makes it impossible to Judge than ,,
back to square one **"""
you know that is why i love romans 14 ,!!!!, paul blessed us so much by this message , let evey man be pursuaded ...convinced , sure of ... in his own mind !!

Romans 14

I don't understand what you mean by "impossible to judge"? Judge what?

 

[Chickapee]

Originally Posted by Chickapee
I agree also ,
so that makes it impossible to Judge than ,,
back to square one **"""
you know that is why i love romans 14 ,!!!!, paul blessed us so much by this message , let evey man be pursuaded ...convinced , sure of ... in his own mind !!

Romans 14
I don't understand what you mean by "impossible to judge"? Judge what?

sorry for the vauge answer ,
who is serving God , is what i meant we are told not to judge anything before the time ...
even Pharoah was serving God when afficting the hebrew children that the power and Glory of God might be known in the earth ...

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

peace c

 

[desmalia]

sorry for the vauge answer ,
who is serving God , is what i meant we are told not to judge anything before the time ...
even Pharoah was serving God when afficting the hebrew children that the power and Glory of God might be known in the earth ...

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

peace c

This passage does not address salvation, so it really doesn't apply here. Yes God can use anyone He wants for His glory. No question. But that doesn't equate to the person being saved, and we should not assume such. Take 9/11 for instance. I have no doubt people came to Christ through that tragic day. Does that mean the terrorists were serving God and went to heaven? That is most definitely not what this passage is suggesting.

 

[Chickapee]

This passage does not address salvation, so it really doesn't apply here. Yes God can use anyone He wants for His glory. No question. But that doesn't equate to the person being saved, and we should not assume such. Take 9/11 for instance. I have no doubt people came to Christ through that tragic day. Does that mean the terrorists were serving God and went to heaven? That is most definitely not what this passage is suggesting.

im not so sure Des as you are about them things of God s will being done ,
to me it does apply , salvation is Joy and peace in the Lord and many can and do loose the peace and Joy in their salvation and faith is tested ..,, its says a bitter root springing up defiles them ... the warnings are written for us who believe ,,, and

i know many hearts are revealed when tragedy comes ,''strikes '' if they be good or evil ...manifested in them .. God also makes vessels of dishonor

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom 9:22[What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

just concidering them things cause ''all things'' work together and the Lord is showing us all diffent things at different times in our lives whats in your heart
you are sharing yours as i am sharing mine

peace C...

 

[desmalia]

im not so sure Des as you are about them things of God s will being done ,
to me it does apply , salvation is Joy and peace in the Lord and many can and do loose the peace and Joy in their salvation and faith is tested ..,, its says a bitter root springing up defiles them ... the warnings are written for us who believe ,,, and

i know many hearts are revealed when tragedy comes ,''strikes '' if they be good or evil ...manifested in them .. God also makes vessels of dishonor

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom 9:22[What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

just concidering them things cause ''all things'' work together and the Lord is showing us all diffent things at different times in our lives whats in your heart
you are sharing yours as i am sharing mine

peace C...

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that the only way God can be glorified is if all human beings have salvation?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I came to find out that the Koran has a few anti-Christian verses in it that deny Jesus as the Son of God. The Koran is also very fragmented compared to the Bible, its verses fluctuate between violence and peace whereas the Bible seems to be cohesively bound by one Spirit. So basically I don't think that the Islamic idea of Allah can be considered the same as the true God of the Bible even if that's the word's literal definition. But I wouldn't be surprised if some followers of Islam are followers of the true, invisible God whereas the others, who are against Christ, are not.

Hi. Well the Jewish Talmud also appears to have some "anti-CHRIST-ian" writings in it.

One of their reasons they give for JESUS not being the Messiah is that He has to build 3rd Temple.

That would be kind of awkward, as the Temple Jesus came to was still standing, the 2nd rebuilt one of Solomon.

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

The Temple service during Sukkot featured 70 bull offerings, corresponding to the 70 nations of the world. The Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much benefit they were getting from the Temple, they'd never have destroyed it.

John 11:48 "If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our Place and Nation." [Daniel 12]

 

[Sojourner<><]

Hi. Well the Jewish Talmud also appears to have some "anti-CHRIST-ian" writings in it.

One of their reasons they give for JESUS not being the Messiah is that He has to build 3rd Temple.

That would be kind of awkward, as the Temple Jesus came to was still standing, the 2nd rebuilt one of Solomon.

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

The Temple service during Sukkot featured 70 bull offerings, corresponding to the 70 nations of the world. The Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much benefit they were getting from the Temple, they'd never have destroyed it.

John 11:48 "If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our Place and Nation." [Daniel 12]

I don't have a word for word quote but if I remember correctly, the Koran mentions Jesus Christ by name and it openly declares that He is not the Son of God. Really though that's not so different than the rest of the world that rejects Christ as the Romans were notorious for it. Of course that doesn't mean that all Muslims reject Christ. It's just something that I think Christians need to be aware of when dealing with Islam.

 

[Chickapee]

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that the only way God can be glorified is if all human beings have salvation?

no ...Des more so saying that they ''all suffer'' one way or the other .........for doing good or doing evil ....
1Pe 3:16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.


1Pe 3:17 For [it is] better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

and the rest of it ... the good suffer at the hands of evil men Just as Christ suffered at the hands of sinners
God has created evil for His purpose

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker!

[Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. [ earthen vessels ]a "shred", i.e., anything severed, as a fragment of earthenware

Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

and the rest of it all to be read in context ,, may the Spirit of Holiness speak plainly to us all ...

peace C....