All things

[All Glory To God]

I would agree with you if the command to his disciples was to pray "Your will be done 'in my life' as it is in heaven" - but it is not limited to just the believer as it expands to 'the earth'.

Well obviously that was my interpretation of the text. How one interprets the text is probably what they think God's will is. Trying to disqualify a person's view of the lord's prayer because it isn't verbatim works all ways.

Tell me what you think that part of the lord's pray means.

 

[zoidar]

Why pray if God does not control all?

Because God has the power to control all?

 

[Macchiato]

Idk about all things. Last month I lost my job and my son in the ER.

Not alk things are good and that's okay.

 

[Macchiato]

Not necessarily. Sin is his will or it would not exist.

Why would u say that?

 

[mlepfitjw]

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

“Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. Quench not the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:14-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems like it is the will of God for us in Christ Jesus for us to do these things in reverence towards God and the Lord Yeshua.

 

[Dave L]

Why would u say that?

God created all, even sin, and the times and reasons people commit it. Are you saying God did not create all?

 

[mlepfitjw]

Somethings happen for a reason and hopefully good will come from it no matter how debilitating it can be my neighbor is paralyzed to some degree behind me but still lives his life, and gets around though he is got problems with his lower back not fully paralyzed exactly / more like half.

 

[Swag365]

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

The question has a false premise. God is in-charge of all things, but that does not necessitate that he must decree all that comes to pass. We hold that God has a decretive will and permissive will. We can give thanks for the things that God decrees, and also for the things that God permits, more or less for the same reasons as you (that he has a greater purpose for allowing it, etc.)

 

[mlepfitjw]

The question has a false premise. God is in-charge of all things, but that does not necessitate that he must decree all that comes to pass. We hold that God has a decretive will and permissive will. We can give thanks for the things that God decrees, and also for the things that God permits, more or less for the same reasons as you (that he has a greater purpose for allowing it, etc.)

not many people would like this notion but God is the giver of life and even the taker of life too and their is a reason for all things and most certainly swag365 God is in control. We men are not in control though we might think we are.

Also we can be thankful, we can be mad, we can be upset, we can be sad, even though we are once spiritually awake more thankful we still suffer with our human condition to some degree because we aren’t meant to just be happy all the time, maybe content (in Christ), we could never be happy all the time that such a false premise and a lie.

 

[Dave L]

Why would u say that?

Have you considered that God only becomes knowable when contrasted to sin? No sin, no mercy. No sin, no righteousness. No sin no wrath. No sin, no love. And so on. Trust God, sin is here for his glory.

 

[BNR32FAN]

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

God doesn’t decree everything that happens. He decrees some things and allows or permits others. God does not decree sin but He does allow it.

 

[Dave L]

God doesn’t decree everything that happens. He decrees some things and allows or permits others. God does not decree sin but He does allow it.

How does he permit anything if he created all including the outcome?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

I don't believe that God has decreed all things, in the sense that God has controlled every action of man.

We see in Genisis that God was sorry He made man when He saw how man responded to each other.

Gen 6:5-6 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

How could God possibly be sorry for something He had 100% under His control?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Have you considered that God only becomes knowable when contrasted to sin? No sin, no mercy. No sin, no righteousness. No sin no wrath. No sin, no love. And so on. Trust God, sin is here for his glory.

God didn’t love Adam & Eve until they sinned? Adam & Eve didn’t love each other until after they sinned?

 

[Dave L]

God didn’t love Adam & Eve until they sinned? Adam & Eve didn’t love each other until after they sinned?

Why would God plunge Adam and the whole race into sin and destruction if he loved them? His love is only seen in Christ's paying for their sins on the cross. And that has nothing to do with them and everything to do with his loving nature.

 

[Swag365]

God doesn’t decree everything that happens. He decrees some things and allows or permits others. God does not decree sin but He does allow it.

It's just basic common sense. God says "You shall not murder" but then turns right around and decrees that people murder, to ultimately glorify himself by saving them? It's complete nonsense.

This is why I cannot take Reformed theology seriously. It turns God into some sort of low-self esteem schizophrenic who needs to go around saving people to prove how merciful he is.

 

[BNR32FAN]

How does he permit anything if he created all including the outcome?

God doesn’t create the outcome He allows free will otherwise God would be the sinner not the person who committed the sin.

 

[Dave L]

It's just basic common sense. God says "You shall not murder" but then turns right around and decrees that people murder, to ultimately glorify himself by saving them? It's complete nonsense.

This is why I cannot take Reformed theology seriously. It turns God into some sort of low-self esteem schizophrenic who needs to go around saving people to prove how merciful he is.

You are missing how dreadfully sinful people are and how deserving of God's wrath they are. If you have even a cursory knowledge of scripture, he sends murderers to murder even his most beloved martyrs.

 

[Dave L]

God doesn’t create the outcome He allows free will otherwise God would be the sinner not the person who committed the sin.

God cannot sin. Free will is a novelty with no support.

 

[Swag365]

not many people would like this notion but God is the giver of life and even the taker of life too and their is a reason for all things and most certainly swag365 God is in control. We men are not in control though we might think we are.

Well we are in control of a few things, such as whether or not we commit sin.