All things

[A_Thinker]

Thanks. Since God has a purpose for sin, we can thank Him for ALL things since all things are under His control.

I think that is a good landing point ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I’m not quite sure of your point, or what you are asking.

God certainly seems to state biblically that ALL things are NOT His will, ... but that He is able to work His will and all else TOGETHER for GOOD ...

 

[Hammster]

God certainly seems to state biblically that ALL things are NOT His will, ... but that He is able to work His will and all else TOGETHER for GOOD ...

Was the cross His will?

 

[A_Thinker]

Was the cross His will?

Whether it was or not ... does not make ALL THINGS His will.

There was a fundamental difference between Cain killing Abel (which God counseled Cain against), ... and Christ dying on the cross ...

 

[Hammster]

Whether it was or not ... does not make ALL THINGS His will.

There was a fundamental difference between Cain killing Abel (which God counseled Cain against), ... to Christ dying on the cross ...

The point, though, is God using evil. Murder isn’t His will, yet He ordained that His Son be murdered by sinful men.

 

[A_Thinker]

The point, though, is God using evil. Murder isn’t His will, yet He ordained that His Son be murdered by sinful men.

Romans 8:28 tells us that He INCORPORATES evil ... in accomplishing GOOD (i.e. His will).

As you testify ... "Murder isn't His will ... "

This is an important Biblical point ...

 

[Dave L]

Romans 8:28 tells us that He INCORPORATES evil ... in accomplishing GOOD (i.e. His will).

As you testify ... "Murder isn't His will ... "

This is an important Biblical point ...

Murder is not his will for Christians. He murdered everyone on earth except Noah and his family in the flood. The Canaanites. Sodom and Gomorrah. He often reduced wicked Israel to cannibalism.

 

[A_Thinker]

Murder is not his will for Christians. He murdered everyone on earth except Noah and his family in the flood. The Canaanites. Sodom and Gomorrah. He often reduced wicked Israel to cannibalism.

Murder is most easily defined as "unjustified killing of a human person".

All killing is not murder ...

 

[Dave L]

Murder is most easily defined as "unjustified killing of a human being person".

All killing is not murder ...

God caused people to eat their young as judgment. Even in the siege of Jerusalem which was clearly his judgement involving murder. What about abortion today, where he visits the sins of the fathers unto the 3rd and 4th generation of those who hate him?

 

[A_Thinker]

God caused people to eat their young as judgment.

God did not cause this, though He allowed a viable context for it. The Israelites that did so ... are akin to those who sacrificed their children to Molech.

The only difference is the degree of motivating circumstances ...

 

[Dave L]

God did not cause this, though He allowed a viable context for it. The Israelites that did so ... are akin to those who sacrificed their children to Molech.

The only difference is the degree of motivating circumstances ...

How does God allow anything if he created everything?

 

[A_Thinker]

What about abortion today, where he visits the sins of the fathers unto the 3rd and 4th generation of those who hate him?

God repudiated this in Ezekiel ...

Ezekiel 18

19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

 

[Dave L]

God repudiated this in Ezekiel ...

Ezekiel 18

19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

This was Israeli civil law. God is above all law and cannot sin no matter what he does.

 

[A_Thinker]

How does God allow anything if he created everything?

Well, ... He says that he does ...

Judges 2

20 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel and said, “Because this nation has violated the covenant I ordained for their ancestors and has not listened to me,

21 I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died.

22 I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the LORD and walk in it as their ancestors did.”

23 The LORD had allowed those nations to remain; he did not drive them out at once by giving them into the hands of Joshua.

 

[A_Thinker]

God is above all law and cannot sin no matter what he does.

Yes, because, most simply, ... sin is anything in opposition to God's will ...

 

[Dave L]

Yes, because, most simply, ... sin is anything in opposition to God's will ...

Not necessarily. Sin is his will or it would not exist.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

And todays "verse of the day" is for you...
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world." 1 John 2:15-16
Be blessed.

 

[Dave L]

Well ... He says that he does ...

Judges 2

20 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel and said, “Because this nation has violated the covenant I ordained for their ancestors and has not listened to me,

21 I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died.

22 I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the LORD and walk in it as their ancestors did.”

23 The LORD had allowed those nations to remain; he did not drive them out at once by giving them into the hands of Joshua.

Why did he harden hearts to make sin inevitable?

 

[A_Thinker]

Not necessarily. Sin is his will or it would not exist.

He says that it is NOT His will. Do you dispute Him ?

Jeremiah 19

3 ‘Hear the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem. Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Behold, I will bring such a catastrophe on this place, that whoever hears of it, his ears will tingle.

4 "Because they have forsaken Me and made this an alien place, because they have burned incense in it to other gods whom neither they, their fathers, nor the kings of Judah have known, and have filled this place with the blood of the innocents

5 (they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or speak, nor did it come into My mind), ...

 

[Dave L]

He says that it is NOT His will. Do you dispute Him ?

Jeremiah 19

3 ‘Hear the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem. Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Behold, I will bring such a catastrophe on this place, that whoever hears of it, his ears will tingle.

4 "Because they have forsaken Me and made this an alien place, because they have burned incense in it to other gods whom neither they, their fathers, nor the kings of Judah have known, and have filled this place with the blood of the innocents

5 (they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or speak, nor did it come into My mind), ...

This was not part of the Law. But it is his will to visit sin with sin. Heart hardening proves this. Look at today. God's 4 sore judgements all around us. Plagues, war, famine, and wild animals producing most disease. You certainly can see this as based on scripture.