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If mary was not born into the sinful Adamic creation, what was she born into?
last i checked, there are 2 adams.
Please name the creation.
No endless theological mumbo jumbo, name the creation.
So then you admit that it's not in the bible, that it's actually a conclusion at which you've arrived by your own reasoning.IF Mary never sinned what would she need to be saved from?chilehed said:Where do you find that in the bible?MamaZ said:Mary sinned or she would not need a savior.
This is off topic. If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread, then start another thread. This thread is about that fact that Romans 3:23 does not prove that Mary sinned.If mary was not born into the sinful Adamic creation, what was she born in?
last i checked, there are 2 adams.
Please name the creation.
No endless theological mumbo jumbo, name the creation.
This is off topic. If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread, then start another thread. This thread is about that fact that Romans 3:23 does not prove that Mary sinned.And where does Scripture say that all miracles are recorded in Scripture? Or that Scripture is all one needs to have in order to know everything one needs to know? It does not. It says the opposite.
We do discover in Scripture that taking up residence and dwellling in a vessel of sin is contrary to the nature of God. We also discover that Jesus fulfilled every command of His father perfectly.
This is off topic. If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread, then start another thread. This thread is about that fact that Romans 3:23 does not prove that Mary sinned.So in order for one to fall into sin takes what>?
Translation = "This proves me wrong and blows my sad little theories to kingdom come."
This is off topic. If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread, then start another thread. This thread is about that fact that Romans 3:23 does not prove that Mary sinned.
This is off topic. If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread, then start another thread. This thread is about that fact that Romans 3:23 does not prove that Mary sinned.
Sure it does.. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. For through Adam sin and death came. Mary was born according to the Adam lintageSo then you admit that it's not in the bible, that it's actually a conclusion at which you've arrived by your own reasoning.
This is off topic. If you want to talk about something other than the topic of the thread, then start another thread. This thread is about that fact that Romans 3:23 does not prove that Mary sinned.
Sure it does.. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. For through Adam sin and death came. Mary was born according to the Adam lintage
You didn't provide any. All you did was provide a list of irrelevant passages, with no explanation of why you thought that they are relevant.It would help if you would actually address the numerous scriptural texts that disprove your position instead of declaring everything you don't want to talk about off topic.
It would help if you would actually address the numerous scriptural texts that disprove your position instead of declaring everything you don't want to talk about off topic.
You didn't provide any. All you did was provide a list of irrelevant passages, with no explanation of why you thought that they are relevant.
One of the passages you cited was the one under discussion, but you didn't actually discuss the passage or deal in any substantive way with the OP.
It appears that your strategy is to bury yourself with a mass of bible verses without making a critical evaluation of any one of them. The problem with that strategy is that if none of them individually supports your position, then all of them taken together do not support it either.
I'm just trying to look at one passage at a time, and the one I'm looking at in this thread is Romans 3:23. Deal with it, or go away.
Remember, the purpose of this thread is NOT to prove that Mary was sinless. The purpose is to show that Romans 3:23 doesn't prove that she wasn't.
it would help to look at it in Greek -- does it literally say all have sinned, or does it perhaps say that all have the condition of sin?
Well, she was "in Adam", (Hebrews 7) so she sinned by way of nature, federally, or whatever, there are no exemptions listed in 5.
well im just saying, depending on how its translated, it could leave room for her to have never committed a sin, but yet to have been stained with the fallen, sin nature. i dont know what the verse literally says in Greek, just throwing the possibility out there.
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