All have sinned?

[Alive_Again]

I said: "I have the greatest respect for Mary. Mary K Baxter on her trip to Heaven saw Mary and she was wearing an outfit made out of diamonds!"

Mary K Baxter is nobody to me and I could care less what she claims she saw.
Why, because I don't take serious a woman who's claims who contradict the Church. I don't want to be worthy of the doctrines of men and the hallucinations of women.

Have you heard her? If so, you judge her without hearing the matter first. Proverbs says this is folly. How does she contradict the church? Because she received revelation from God and didn't bow to a religious institution first? It didn't stop God.

The book is actually a great blessing. It was touching to hear of Mary so recognized within reasonable non-idolatrous boundaries.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7:1-2

I said: "Do you know what God (relucantly) says about you now?"

"Kepha is nobody to me and I could care less what he claims he saw (or says)."

This scares me big time! My own desire is to bless and to impart grace. Yet I tell you this so you see that you judge the person and not the fruits or the revelation, and since you partake of your judgment "You're a nobody to Me".

I may have thrown back the same words at you but it was only to show you what you were doing with me.

I find it ironic that you permit yourself to judge her visions worthy to believe but I'm not permitted to judge her visions unworthy to believe.

From the beginning I've said that we are told to judge the fruits. You judge everything you hear. There's nothing wrong about that.

When you say "you have no use for her" you judge her personally. That will land you in the pit. Knowing this, wouldn't be a great idea to reconsider? Don't you want to get on the path of blessing?

If she had these visions yet comfortably remain outside the Church then she's of no use to me because everything she says is now suspect.

Here's your evil and religious eye. That's what your fruits depict. You judge because she doesn't go to your church. That has nothing at all to do with truth. You judge by this "knowledge".

...there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith.

The deposit of faith? What is that? If you're saying, that we're not giving them the same status as the Word of God, then you're correct, because the Lord said that their were no more foundational apostles. However, like every prophetic word or vision or gift of the Spirit, we judge by the witness of the Holy Spirit. Although trips to Heaven are much rarer, many have been. Many have seen Hell as well. God gives each one who sees a witness to give as a light to the people. The ones that want to do His will, will have "ears" and "eyes".

...Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church. Christian faith cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment...

Who said anything about surpassing or correcting the Word? It agrees with the Word. Fortunately, God gave each believer the best teacher their has ever been, and He's right on the inside. If you believe in Him, He'll fulfill His ministry more clearly. You have to have faith mixed in with the promises.

This makes you nothing more than a hypocrite as you've judged my heart on several occasions in this thread.

If you could get this one thing you'd see fine and know that I'm not judging you. I'm judging your fruit. If I present something of God to you and you call it evil, you have an evil eye. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So you show yourself to be sinning. I would rather encourage you to repent and not get yourself a blot. Furthermore, I would love it if you were to read the book and be blessed, and consider what God wanted His people to know through the revelation.

As I said: "I suppose you'll say that I am judging you, but I am only imposing the Word over your words. Not to gloat over your ungodliness. I don't want to see you burn."

You've concluded that in my heart, I've intentionally kept God out from revealing me His Truths.

• I've encouraged you to believe that God can and will speak to you, to which you've said I've made myself my own "Pope".

• My words are suspect to you because I'm not Catholic.

• I've told you God accepts all those who believe and want to serve Him without qualification.

You "don't have any use" for those things that don't come within Catholic channels. Have you intentionally kept God out of this? Probably not, that is the religious stronghold. But that is the end result.

Your own personal testimony to me is of no relevance to this discussion since even the Mormons can make this claim while adding to the books of Scripture.

You should have ears "on" to discern truth in everything that is spoken. It should not be judged through prejudice. When I witness to you of my own testimony it indicates why I believe God's Word the way that I do. It's not prideful, but only that through oppression, God shone a bright light by His Spirit on His Word. I'm not adding anything to scripture like the Mormons. I'm confirming it to be true. That's what a witness does. He bears witness to the truth.

...I'll allow your position to be motivated by ignorance and not contempt.

 

[Kepha]

I said: "I have the greatest respect for Mary. Mary K Baxter on her trip to Heaven saw Mary and she was wearing an outfit made out of diamonds!"

Have you heard her? If so, you judge her without hearing the matter first.

Yes, I place all my time and energy reading a non Catholic Pentacostal female pastor's claim that she was visited by Jesus and shown Heaven and Hell.

Seriously, all I need is in the Church, I don't need private revelation by any protestant unless the Church deemed it "Worthy of Belief".

Proverbs says this is folly. How does she contradict the church?

Because she received revelation from God and didn't bow to a religious institution first?

She doesn't accept the visible Church. It makes me therefore very suspect. Why do you believe her? What is it about her that makes you think she saw what she saw. Is it just anybody you would believe so long as they don't contradict your truth you personally interpret from Scripture. Were there any Miracles surrounding her. Has she continued to live her life like a humble Saint as Bernadette had done in the Lourdes Apparitions or the 3 Seers from Fatima.

It didn't stop God. If you wait for Catholics to receive revelations you might miss a lot of what God is doing through the church.

That is not my belief sir. God if anything will bring them back into the fold, and not have messages for even Catholics outside of it and expect us to listen to those who reject His Church.

Sorry to say, but Catholics tend to look to a "ruler of men" or a "king" to be Lord over them first.

That statement itself stinks of so much baloney I don't even know what to do with it.

Rather than just being regular people, they elevate those who have these revelations to a status that God does not. They seem to "earn" their sainthood by miraculous deeds rather than as a gift by faith, working in love.

You obviously know nothing about the process of Sainthood. One's disposition is ALWAYS looked at first.

The book is actually a great blessing. It was touching to hear of Mary so recognized within reasonable non-idolatrous boundaries.

Just out of curiosity but what exactly did she say?

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7:1-2

I said: "Do you know what God (relucantly) says about you now?"

This scares me big time! My own desire is to bless and to impart grace. Yet I tell you this so you see that you judge the person and not the fruits or the revelation, and since you partake of your judgment "You're a nobody to Me".

Her visions ARE nothing to me since I don't allow my life to be lead by every visionary who may stay in line with the Revelations concerning Hell. The problem is, she is staying in line with your understanding while reading the Writen Word but not every protestants. So all this does is show the flaw again in your protetant system where your brothers and sisters can't KNOW if what she says is correct or not unless they've come to the same conclusions about the Written Word of God as you have. Proof of this is right here. Mary Katherine Baxter's Heresies EXPOSED!

From the beginning I've said that we are told to judge the fruits. You judge everything you hear. There's nothing wrong about that.

When you say "you have no use for her" you judge her personally.

I judge her private visions personally as you judge Saint Bernadette and the 3 little seers in Fatima.

That will land you in the pit. Knowing this, wouldn't be a great idea to reconsider? Don't you want to get on the path of blessing?

That's not for you to say anymore than me saying your disbelief in Miracles within the Catholic faith will land you in Hell. God will judge us both and I'm fine with that.

Here's your evil and religious eye. That's what your fruits depict. You judge because she doesn't go to your church. That has nothing at all to do with truth. You judge by this "knowledge".

I judge her fruits and if she has EVER once uttered a word against ANY Dogma of the Church, then she has some bad apples in there and not worthy of my time.

The deposit of faith? What is that? If you're saying, that we're not giving them the same status as the Word of God, then you're correct, because the Lord said that their were no more foundational apostles.

Deposit of Faith = Sacred Oral Tradition + Sacred Scriptures as is guided and protected through the Church.

However, like every prophetic word or vision or gift of the Spirit, we judge by the witness of the Holy Spirit.

That's your claim again that you believe you've this power to 'see' these things whereas not all sola Scripture believers do. I reject it outright. It is only when the Catholic deems as 'Worthy of Belief' that I may believe since it's far too easy to be deceived when making claims of their legitimacy in us humble servants of Christ unless like yourself, you 'feel' if everything is true or not. Feelings can be wrong. Proof of this is to take any protestant who reject some of your personal doctrines but 'feel' the Holy Ghost is leading them to that conclusion as per their interpretation of the Scriptures.

I feel this is my time to bow out of the discussion now since I can feel us going int circles again here. You say the Word says something, I say you're interpretation of the Word says it, you reject my Church, I say the Holy Spirit is leading my Church into all truths. You say you don't need to have an infallible structure to keep the truth by being misinterpreted by sinful human beings, I say they do, and so on and so on and so on and so on. Even reading the last bit of your post here I can see you wandering back for the 2nd or 3rd time in it that you ONLY judge with what the Word is saying. Seriously, I can't waste any more time on this with you here. Whether you're just ignorant or not is up to God to judge your heart but the truth is there regardless and meant to be found if you should ever be brought back into the fold.

 

[Alive_Again]

Why do you believe her? What is it about her that makes you think she saw what she saw. Is it just anybody you would believe so long as they don't contradict your truth you personally interpret from Scripture.

I believe because of the witness of the Holy Spirit. I wish this were not a foreign concept to you so that you would understand. This is your new testament inheritance.

Were there any Miracles surrounding her. Has she continued to live her life like a humble Saint as Bernadette had done in the Lourdes Apparitions or the 3 Seers from Fatima.

She goes and tells as commanded. People get saved, healed, and baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Just out of curiosity but what exactly did she say?

You'll have to read it to find out.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7:1-2

The problem is, she is staying in line with your understanding while reading the Writen Word but not every protestants. So all this does is show the flaw again in your protetant system where your brothers and sisters can't KNOW if what she says is correct or not unless they've come to the same conclusions about the Written Word of God as you have. Proof of this is right here. Mary Katherine Baxter's Heresies EXPOSED!

That would then make you a heretic by your own judgment. Won't you at least reconsider?

You should have gone back in the path of your link. He has a link about the cult of Mary. From the outward appearance, you and he seem to be birds of a feather (except for Catholics and Mary) which he is apparently against. He is judgmental and on the same unholy highway you're on.

I judge her private visions personally as you judge Saint Bernadette and the 3 little seers in Fatima.

I've read up on the apparitions. You apparently have not read her book and discount her based on her not being Catholic.

I said: That will land you in the pit. Knowing this, wouldn't be a great idea to reconsider? Don't you want to get on the path of blessing?

That's not for you to say anymore than me saying your disbelief in Miracles within the Catholic faith will land you in Hell. God will judge us both and I'm fine with that.

Isn't it? You're taking a direct route to Hell in your judgment of her person. It's one thing to disagree with her sayings. Don't you want to know or would you prefer to keep a judgmental spirit and burn for it?

I said: However, like every prophetic word or vision or gift of the Spirit, we judge by the witness of the Holy Spirit.

That's your claim again that you believe you've this power to 'see' these things whereas not all sola Scripture believers do. I reject it outright.

The witness of the Holy Spirit is a privilege of all church members. You do reject it outright and that is why you cannot hear.

Feelings can be wrong. Proof of this is to take any protestant who reject some of your personal doctrines but 'feel' the Holy Ghost is leading them to that conclusion as per their interpretation of the Scriptures.

It has nothing to do with feelings.

Take a good look at your icon. Consider what it's like on the wrong side of your depiction. If you don't repent of your judgments, it will be you. I truly hope you decide otherwise. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Particularly after reading Mary Baxter's book on Hell.

 

[Kepha]

I believe because of the witness of the Holy Spirit. I wish this were not a foreign concept to you so that you would understand. This is your new testament inheritance.

It's The Holy Spirit who keeps me in the Bosom of the Holy Catholic Church, as many Saints of the Church, are great witnesses to Him.

She goes and tells as commanded. People get saved, healed, and baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps I shouldn't have asked that question. Someone like this needs to be observed very carefully and I would only get a very bias answer from you, as I just did, as if you've lived with her, 24/7.

You'll have to read it to find out.

I wouldn't waste my time as I'd prefer to spend it reading the lives and testimony's of actual confirmed Saints of the Church.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7:1-2

The Catholic Church judges for me and so far, not a word has been said about her nor will there be, so long as she remains outside.

That would then make you a heretic by your own judgment. Won't you at least reconsider?

This made no sense to me.

You should have gone back in the path of your link. He has a link about the cult of Mary. From the outward appearance, you and he seem to be birds of a feather (except for Catholics and Mary) which he is apparently against. He is judgmental and on the same unholy highway you're on.

He's a non denom and I'd expect nothing more than the usual rhetorical protests about Mother Mary in his head. Why I pointed that link however, was because like you, he believes the Holy Spirit has been leading him into understanding the osas doctrine and uses that, as one of his tests to prove her wrong. In short, he used the Word of God to denounce her as a false prophet. Now of course you will give me a small rant about how he's wrong and the holy spirit is not leading him to this conclusion and you know this because the Holy Spirit is leading YOU instead. You, a person who I've said maybe 20 times now, has a sinful nature and can be deceived by the devil in your 'feelings'. If you say no, then you've guaranteed proof, of your error free mind when concerning the Word of God.

See how this continues to go in circles.

I've read up on the apparitions. You apparently have not read her book and discount her based on her not being Catholic.

I don't have to so long as she remains against some of the Church Doctrines, Mother Mary included. I've yet to ever read about a Prophet or Man of God in the Bible, who denounces any truth the Church has previously taught. Have you?

I said: That will land you in the pit. Knowing this, wouldn't be a great idea to reconsider? Don't you want to get on the path of blessing?

Knowing that your opinion says this, no, it doesn't worry me in the least.

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against you, is for you.

She is in some ways, is obviously against the teachings of the Church, making her against those very Apostles who gave us the Word of God. So he that is against you, is not for you if we reverse the meaning from this verse of Mark's. This will naturally apply to my Church and not your invisible man made one.

Isn't it? You're taking a direct route to Hell in your judgment of her person. It's one thing to disagree with her sayings. Don't you want to know or would you prefer to keep a judgmental spirit and burn for it?

You've judged the approved Apparitions of Mother Mary to be false. You 'claim' you use the Word to do this. My claim is that I have used the Church (the fullness of the Word) to denounce her as unworthy for my belief.

I said: However, like every prophetic word or vision or gift of the Spirit, we judge by the witness of the Holy Spirit.

And I'm saying you don't and you're deceived by someone other than the Holy Ghost.

The witness of the Holy Spirit is a privilege of all church members. You do reject it outright and that is why you cannot hear.

The Holy Spirit remains fully in the Church with the Anointed ones and not outside with every Bible believing Christian.

It has nothing to do with feelings.

It has EVERYTHING to do with your mind, capable of being deceived. From a guy who has said more than once that not even the Apostles could be infallible, you sure are a stubborn one when I throw this at you in a self denial kind of way.

Take a good look at your icon. Consider what it's like on the wrong side of your depiction. If you don't repent of your judgments, it will be you. I truly hope you decide otherwise. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Particularly after reading Mary Baxter's book on Hell.

Take the log out of your own eye and judge not the Apparitions of Lourdes and Fatima, but instead, embrace them as you want me to embrace your visionary.

I pray that God gets a hold of you mightily. Hell's full of Christians, and it's worse for them because they knew of the truth.

I do not fear your judgmental words because you hold no authority over me nor is your interpretive views in this instant, cause enough to give me concern. And if you're as sincere as you claim to be in your prayers, it may be you who will one day, find yourself within the Bosom of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

 

[Alive_Again]

Perhaps I shouldn't have asked that question. Someone like this needs to be observed very carefully and I would only get a very bias answer from you, as I just did, as if you've lived with her, 24/7.

You know, Kepha, I wish you had the heart of many on this Forum, who can hear and consider something, wanting and expecting guidance from God in matters that concern them.

"Mary K Baxter is nobody to me"
"I could care less what she claims she saw."
"I wouldn't waste my time..."

You don't even demonstrate any Christian love. It's one thing to have your reservations. It's another to show your bitterness and pharisee like attitudes.

In matters of deliverance, I have seen many Christians act reasonably normal until you corner their area of stronghold in their life. Then the fangs come out. The bitterness flows from their well and they "impart" that which is within them. It's defiling. Fortunately not all Catholics are this way. You most certainly have a "religious" stronghold. It demonstrates all of the self righteous fruits pretty freely.

I said: "That would then make you a heretic by your own judgment. Won't you at least reconsider?"

This made no sense to me.

I'll explain how this works since all of mankind will be judged according to the Word.

Knowing that your opinion says this, no, it doesn't worry me in the least.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7:1-2

You posted this link, and expressed agreement, thereby making the same judgment.

"Mary Katherine Baxter's Heresies EXPOSED!"

When you judge Ms. Baxter as a heretic, you render final judgment against her. The Word says, "what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Therefore, in God's site, you become a heretic. This would surely send you to Hell if you don't repent. In spite of the fact that some "Protestant" as you would call it brings this to your attention, it is true. It doesn't matter if it's the Dalai Lama, you'll be accountable for it. In spite of your bitterness and your wicked judgments and curses, I would be saddened to see you go to Hell.

I'm going to pray that God really gets your attention on this scripture, even if He has to visit you in your sleep. It's better that we judge ourselves so we won't be judged. One day you may thank me for this. Give God all of the praise.

He's a non denom and I'd expect nothing more than the usual rhetorical protests about Mother Mary in his head. Why I pointed that link however, was because like you, he believes the Holy Spirit has been leading him into understanding the osas doctrine and uses that, as one of his tests to prove her wrong. In short, he used the Word of God to denounce her as a false prophet.

We should all judge all revelation by the Spirit and the Word. Man cannot take upon himself the right to render final judgment about anyone. You can judge the fruits (in this case her words), but his "right" to pass judgment puts him in the same boat as you as I explained above.

Reading the scripture and it is as plain as you could hope, will you continue to render final judgment on her person? Will you willingly go to Hell in the face of the Words of Jesus?

Now of course you will give me a small rant about how he's wrong and the holy spirit is not leading him to this conclusion and you know this because the Holy Spirit is leading YOU instead.

God never contradicts Himself. If He gives direction to one regarding a message, it will apply to everyone, although not everyone will be led to each teaching. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. When God shines the light there is no mistaking it. I'm telling you, Mary K. Baxter has a legitimate testimony. The fruits of her life are Godly and people do get saved. If you looked into it, you would see, but this would conflict with your stronghold about how non Catholics don't receive revelation from God except to lead them back to the Catholic Church.

You, a person who I've said maybe 20 times now, has a sinful nature and can be deceived by the devil in your 'feelings'. If you say no, then you've guaranteed proof, of your error free mind when concerning the Word of God.

The witness of God has nothing to do with feelings. The witness takes place in your spirit, not your soul.

I've yet to ever read about a Prophet or Man of God in the Bible, who denounces any truth the Church has previously taught. Have you?

Got me. I typically don't go around looking for someone to denounce. I want to keep my gaze on the throne. I've heard my share of BS from people acting like they've heard from God. If you listen, God will talk to you.

She is in some ways, is obviously against the teachings of the Church, making her against those very Apostles who gave us the Word of God.

In which way is that? She has met some of the Apostles.

<You've judged the approved Apparitions of Mother Mary to be false. You 'claim' you use the Word to do this. My claim is that I have used the Church (the fullness of the Word) to denounce her as unworthy for my belief.

If you'd like to compare some of what those apparitions said compared to the Word of God, I'd be glad to. Receive the Word as a light in a dark place. If they contradict the Word, they are deception.

And I'm saying you don't and you're deceived by someone other than the Holy Ghost.

I came from a wonderful meeting this evening. The Lord is still praying through me as He for most of the evening. God is faithful to His Word. Will you not fear Him and stop reviling? Will you stop scoffing at things that you do not understand "like brute beasts to be destroyed"? Is that really the way you want your life to go?

<From a guy who has said more than once that not even the Apostles could be infallible, you sure are a stubborn one when I throw this at you in a self denial kind of way.

Everyone can be deceived. That doesn't mean you have to be. When you hear a word and you want to test it, you walk in it and you bear a fruit. Jesus said if you continue in His Word, you'll know the truth and it will set you free. There is liberty in walking in the Spirit of truth. In the absence of this, if your ears are "off", you can be susceptible to anything, but when you walk in the Spirit (as soon as you repent and believe), God will do His thing faithfully. We are not wise in our own conceits. We do acknowledge His ministry and do not deny it.

Take the log out of your own eye and judge not the Apparitions of Lourdes and Fatima, but instead, embrace them as you want me to embrace your visionary.

Don't embrace anything without judging it first. But it is the behavior of a fool to judge it without hearing it. Surely you don't want to wear that cap?

I said: I pray that God gets a hold of you mightily. Hell's full of Christians, and it's worse for them because they knew of the truth.
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I do not fear your judgmental words because you hold no authority over me nor is your interpretive views in this instant, cause enough to give me concern.

There's not a devil in Hell that can prevail against God. I'm going to believe for you and eventually you're going to get a moment of clarity. You'll see where you're headed and from that point on, you'll be accountable for your own choice. I'm going to pray for you in the Spirit and in spite of yourself, you'll be blessed! Blessed with the knowledge that can save you from certain destruction. Your judgments bring a curse upon your life here, and set you up for a certain fall when you die. There's no distance in the spirit realm. Plus, God is waiting for someone to intercede and stand in the gap for those who are literally trying to go to Hell.

God's love coming your way Kepha. I hope you make the right choice and listen to your heart.

His servant...





And if you're as sincere as you claim to be in your prayers, it may be you who will one day, find yourself within the Bosom of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

 

[Kepha]

You know, Kepha, I wish you had the heart of many on this Forum, who can hear and consider something, wanting and expecting guidance from God in matters that concern them.

It's your 'wanting' and 'expecting' that worries me as you'll think you're hearing what you 'want' to hear. That's the dangers of placing yourself with the position only the Church should have.

You don't even demonstrate any Christian love. It's one thing to have your reservations. It's another to show your bitterness and pharisee like attitudes.

Because you don't hear the words you want to hear, doesn't mean my response is not a charitable one. My anti mystic response is for you to be warned to stay away from easy deceptive individuals who make claims that line up with your belief system. But then again, you seem to think you're fully being taught by the Holy Spirit so my words are obviously going out on deaf ears.

In matters of deliverance, I have seen many Christians act reasonably normal until you corner their area of stronghold in their life. Then the fangs come out. The bitterness flows from their well and they "impart" that which is within them. It's defiling. Fortunately not all Catholics are this way. You most certainly have a "religious" stronghold. It demonstrates all of the self righteous fruits pretty freely.

You really think I feel you're cornering my stronghold? Are you so delusional right now to think this because I don't agree with some protestant mystic's visions? No Alive Again, what I immediately take offense to, is some man outside the Church, attempting to give me a conscience about looking into some female pastor's claim that she was visited by Jesus. Go waste your time on one of your sS friends regarding this because if you continue it with me, you will be wasting your time. And I feel zero conscience about it just to make sure you get me here.

The fact is, you're so far gone from the truth of the Church that you couldn't even possibly comprehend my position because you place no hope in the Church whereas I do. I want you to say a prayer to God tonight and ask him to open your heart up and maybe, He will open your eyes for you. But you have to reaaaally want this.

I said: "That would then make you a heretic by your own judgment. Won't you at least reconsider?"
This made no sense to me.
I'll explain how this works since all of mankind will be judged according to the Word.

Knowing that your opinion says this, no, it doesn't worry me in the least.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7:1-2
You posted this link, and expressed agreement, thereby making the same judgment.

I'm Catholic so why would I express agreement with OSAS? I already told you why I posted that link. Go re-read. No wonder I couldn't understand your "heretic" statement.

When you judge Ms. Baxter as a heretic, you render final judgment against her. The Word says, "what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

I judge her against the Church who keeps the Word of God.
True mystics are obedient to the Church's authority if they wish for the Church to even care to listen. She obviously isn't. Strike 1.....2....and 3. SHE'S OUT!!!

Therefore, in God's site, you become a heretic.

No, therefore in YOUR sight, I'm one.

This would surely send you to Hell if you don't repent.

lol, for someone who's constantly at me for judging, you've now sent me to hell on several occasions. In all honesty, nothing you say worries me because you say it with a heart full of errors.

We should all judge all revelation by the Spirit and the Word.

If you mean the complete Word of God maintained within the Church then yes. If you mean the Written Word of God as translated by any Christian, then a resounding NO!!

God never contradicts Himself. If He gives direction to one regarding a message, it will apply to everyone, although not everyone will be led to each teaching. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. When God shines the light there is no mistaking it.

Ahh someone's on their high horse again I see.
You judge God's words by what you see on paper and you fool yourself to believe otherwise. You took the 'fornication' verse and applied it to mean 'adultery' in marriage because somebody translated it that way for you. You never allowed the Holy Spirit to guide you there. You likewise take the word 'ALL' and force it to include Mother Mary even knowing of Genesis and Luke, even Revelations, but hey, the Holy Spirit tells you it doesn't mean what we mean so you must be right huh. You make yourself an entire Magistrium who can silence controversy in councils because YOU KNOW when God's talking to you and when He isn't. Just Awesome!! What a gift you have there my man.

The witness of God has nothing to do with feelings. The witness takes place in your spirit, not your soul.

It has EVERYTHING to do with feelings because you ALL do and say it and you all end up having some kind of doctrinal disagreement along the way. Wake up and smell the coffee Alive Again. You repeat things only a fool would say.

Got me. I typically don't go around looking for someone to denounce. I want to keep my gaze on the throne. I've heard my share of BS from people acting like they've heard from God. If you listen, God will talk to you.

You've denounced the Marian Apparitions or any that has to do with Catholic Dogma you disagree on. You do what I do except I humbly submit myself to a Church whereas you, set yourself up to be error free individual because you 'know' when the Holy Spirit is leading you and when He's not.

<You've judged the approved Apparitions of Mother Mary to be false. You 'claim' you use the Word to do this. My claim is that I have used the Church (the fullness of the Word) to denounce her as unworthy for my belief. If you'd like to compare some of what those apparitions said compared to the Word of God, I'd be glad to. Receive the Word as a light in a dark place. If they contradict the Word, they are deception.

You kidding? You can't even get past the word 'All' in Romans. The point is, if you say the Word is meaning something, you reject what I say it's meaning. You use no logic. So long as you believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you, you'd be nothing more than a time waster to me as you have already.

Everyone can be deceived. That doesn't mean you have to be. When you hear a word and you want to test it, you walk in it and you bear a fruit. Jesus said if you continue in His Word, you'll know the truth and it will set you free.

He said if you walk in EVERYTHING the Apostles taught not the Written Word translated inside a box. So long as you remain outside the Church, you WiLL be deceived because your way, isn't what God intended.

Don't embrace anything without judging it first.

It's why I reject your visionary. She's rejects parts of the Word of God thereby removing her credibility. Are you understanding this yet?

God's love coming your way Kepha. I hope you make the right choice and listen to your heart.

You should be more worried where you are in your faith Alive Again. Christ wants you here. Do not turn Him away anymore.

 

[Alive_Again]

Because you don't hear the words you want to hear, doesn't mean my response is not a charitable one. My anti mystic response is for you to be warned to stay away from easy deceptive individuals who make claims that line up with your belief system.

People make many assumptions about many things. When the Holy Spirit bears witness, He does not lie. It is truth. That's what He does. He leads us into all truth. It is not mystical, but it is only for those who are walking in covenant with God.

I strongly recommend you to get baptized in the Holy Spirit. Your spiritual senses will be much sharper.

But then again, you seem to think you're fully being taught by the Holy Spirit so my words are obviously going out on deaf ears.

Everyone makes mistakes. There's little pointing in arguing about why a blind man does not see. The answer is plain.

You really think I feel you're cornering my stronghold?

Oh yes. I don't believe even you are that bitter and judgmental all of the time. People function within "normal" parameters as far as walking in the natural. When you approach their strongholds, they spew venom and become judgmental. God will not fellowship with that kind of behavior. If you were that way all of the time, I would say that you are a tare. If you only behave this away against you view as anti-Catholic "sentiment", then that is evidence of your stronghold.

Are you so delusional right now to think this because I don't agree with some protestant mystic's visions?

There is nothing mystical about just receiving the love of Jesus. Choosing Jesus and turning away from the deeds of darkness. Choosing to go to Heaven and avoid going to Hell. It's a simple message.

...some man outside the Church, attempting to give me a conscience about looking into some female pastor's claim that she was visited by Jesus. Go waste your time on one of your sS friends regarding this because if you continue it with me, you will be wasting your time. And I feel zero conscience about it just to make sure you get me here.

It is not required that you listen to her to be saved. It would be a blessing which you spurn for reasons of prejudice. I have no idea whether or not she is a pastor. I'll not speak any more of it because it only causes you to sin. You're not worthy of it.

The fact is, you're so far gone from the truth of the Church that you couldn't even possibly comprehend my position because you place no hope in the Church whereas I do. I want you to say a prayer to God tonight and ask him to open your heart up and maybe, He will open your eyes for you. But you have to reaaaally want this.

My faith is not in the bride. It's in the groom.

I'll still pray for you because I wouldn't want anyone to go to Hell. Even those who curse me and wrongfully accuse me.

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 54:17

You took the 'fornication' verse and applied it to mean 'adultery' in marriage because somebody translated it that way for you.

No there is a difference.I don't know where you came up with that.

<Proof of this is right here. Mary Katherine Baxter's Heresies EXPOSED!
I'm Catholic so why would I express agreement with OSAS? I already told you why I posted that link. Go re-read. No wonder I couldn't understand your "heretic" statement.

You imply your agreement with this "heresy". If you didn't agree with the link, why post it? I don't believe in OSAS either. Neither does Mary Baxter (as there are those who were called Christians in Hell).

lol, for someone who's constantly at me for judging, you've now sent me to hell on several occasions. In all honesty, nothing you say worries me because you say it with a heart full of errors.

I don't send you to Hell. I impose your words on God's Word. I warn you to repent of your wicked judgments. May God have mercy on your soul.

...YOU KNOW when God's talking to you and when He isn't. Just Awesome!! What a gift you have there my man.

Wouldn't you? Do you think God is big enough? Do we not judge everything by the fruits? Is it not about honoring God's Word and not adding to it and walking in love?

Are you not continuing to contradict God's Word again by denying the ministry of the Holy Spirit? Are you not bitter because I dare to say that I as a simple believer enjoy God's Word as truth and are becoming free indeed.

It has EVERYTHING to do with feelings because you ALL do and say it and you all end up having some kind of doctrinal disagreement along the way. Wake up and smell the coffee Alive Again. You repeat things only a fool would say.

I'm tell you the simple truth of the New Covenant. The believer from the greatest to the least knows God. HE will write His commandments on our hearts. That is what we are accountable for. You can try it out for yourself and determine if the Word is true. I'm not preaching any strange doctrine. You can read it right in the book.

You've denounced the Marian Apparitions or any that has to do with Catholic Dogma you disagree on. You do what I do except I humbly submit myself to a Church whereas you, set yourself up to be error free individual because you 'know' when the Holy Spirit is leading you and when He's not.

I renounce the words that were "spoken". While some are somewhat vague and general, others contradict what God has already said. I judge them, not some individual. I compare them with what the Word says. You speak against the individual. It would be one thing to just cast a blind eye. You judge the person. That is why what you do is evil and worthy of judgment. If you don't repent, you won't have any excuse and it will be too late for you to repent when you die.

Just as important, you won't know God on this Earth. God doesn't fellowship with people who bear fruits as you do. You must repent. Their is a move of God coming to the Earth greater than any time in history. It has no denominational boundaries. You must confess and turn from your sins.

The point is, if you say the Word is meaning something, you reject what I say it's meaning. You use no logic. So long as you believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you, you'd be nothing more than a time waster to me as you have already.

I reject when you add or take away to what it says. It's very simple.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1 Cor 14:38

I said: "Everyone can be deceived. That doesn't mean you have to be. When you hear a word and you want to test it, you walk in it and you bear a fruit. Jesus said if you continue in His Word, you'll know the truth and it will set you free."

He said if you walk in EVERYTHING the Apostles taught not the Written Word translated inside a box. So long as you remain outside the Church, you WiLL be deceived because your way, isn't what God intended.

That's not what He said...

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
John 8:31-44

It's why I reject your visionary. She's rejects parts of the Word of God thereby removing her credibility. Are you understanding this yet?

I understand that you're totally blind and venomous. There isn't an ounce of grace in your words and you seriously grieve the Holy Spirit.

You should be more worried where you are in your faith Alive Again. Christ wants you here. Do not turn Him away anymore.

I've committed some bad sins in my life. God Himself called me to repentance and restablished His authority in my life after many years. He led me to the church I now go to. The church has it's function but it in no wise replaces God's authority in my life.

I've enjoyed wonderful fellowship today, hearing His voice. God's grace is manifest in my life. I've enjoyed the love of God this year more than any other year. He's spoken to me more through His Word this year than any other. I've experienced more of the gifts of the Spirit as well. The Lord has given me a wonderful vision that includes victory in the face of much opposition. I'm right where He wants me to be. I'm acknowledging Him as Lord of my life and look forward to fellowship face to face.

 

[Kepha]

People make many assumptions about many things. When the Holy Spirit bears witness, He does not lie. It is truth. That's what He does. He leads us into all truth. It is not mystical, but it is only for those who are walking in covenant with God.

Stop making yourself into be an error free man when believe you desire to 'Listen' to the Holy Spirit. You aren't and these untruths you preach tell me you aren't.

I strongly recommend you to get baptized in the Holy Spirit. Your spiritual senses will be much sharper.

A Catholic doesn't get 'confirmed' twice. Another untruth you're attempting to preach.

Everyone makes mistakes. There's little pointing in arguing about why a blind man does not see. The answer is plain.

So why are you so blind right now? You don't appear to be the kind of guy who doubts the Holy Spirit is leading you. Your faith seems strong.

Why did the early Church 'NEED' a council to bind a final decision on the faithful when these already Christians should have just allowed the Holy Spirit to work in them and tell them the truth instead. That's your way after all but notice it wasn't theirs.

You see, The Holy Spirit can indeed guide individual Christians on a daily basis but since the Holy Spirit guides us more fully through the teaching authority of the Church, it's there where we must be nourished by the Word of God and allow the Sprit to work within us. The Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself and if our opinions conflicts with an authoritative Church teaching, humility tells us that it&#8217;s our opinion that needs a bit of adjustment instead. But you have to be humble of course.

Matthew 5: 3 Blessed are the humble, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven

Oh yes. I don't believe even you are that bitter and judgmental all of the time. People function within "normal" parameters as far as walking in the natural. When you approach their strongholds, they spew venom and become judgmental.

I'm not bitter at her. I reject her. She disobeys the Church as you 'feel' the 3 little Seers of Fatima and all Catholics are deceived by the Written Word. Surely you must understand this by now or are you so eager to cast your own judgment that you've turned your head in the process.

God will not fellowship with that kind of behavior.

Exactly my point with her. Her behavior toward the Church of God is an abomination.

And for one who has been touched by God in this manner, she sure is going heavy on the make up, clothing and earrings.

One so close to the God would have a 'Saint like' disposition and humility in their heart and not care about their outer appearance as an attempt to express their physical beauty.

Matthew 5: 3 Blessed are the humble, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven

If you were that way all of the time, I would say that you are a tare. If you only behave this away against you view as anti-Catholic "sentiment", then that is evidence of your stronghold.

I'm this way against any type of propaganda attempting to replace itself with the Truth of God. Her included.

There is nothing mystical about just receiving the love of Jesus. Choosing Jesus and turning away from the deeds of darkness. Choosing to go to Heaven and avoid going to Hell. It's a simple message.

You're right, there isn't. Hence she would have nothing new to add to a truth already proclaimed for 2000 years by the Church.

It's interesting though that she's calling her visions 'A Divine Revelation of Hell'. Sounds dangerous to the utmost extreme where her Christian followers will place it on par with the Written Word of God where they would merely add another book to Scriptures. So I ask you, what is the difference between her visions of these revelations as compared to 'The Book of the Revelation of John'? Why can't hers be as much 'Inspired' as His?

My faith is not in the bride. It's in the groom.

What a silly thing to say. The Bride submits to Her Groom as is the teachings of Paul on Marriage when He equated it with the Church and Christ. Nothing the Bride says here on earth will conflict with Her Groom.

You imply your agreement with this "heresy". If you didn't agree with the link, why post it? I don't believe in OSAS either. Neither does Mary Baxter (as there are those who were called Christians in Hell).

To prove how dissent works when believing one is being guided by the Spirit while using the Bible alone. Go re-read my post as I first suggested.

I don't send you to Hell. I impose your words on God's Word.

As I do with her except you judge me differently.

Wouldn't you? Do you think God is big enough? Do we not judge everything by the fruits? Is it not about honoring God's Word and not adding to it and walking in love?

Jesus can appear to us all right now and teach us face to face if He wanted to but He doesn't does He. Is that to say He's not 'big enough' or rather just how He chooses to reveal Himself. I say He does so through the Church in both 'Oral' and 'Written' form. You say through you with His Written Word only. Except your way can only leave individuals 'knowing' individually, who's following the Word and Who aren't. Individuals who can easily be decieved as you have admitted to doing so in the past.

I'm tell you the simple truth of the New Covenant. The believer from the greatest to the least knows God. HE will write His commandments on our hearts. That is what we are accountable for. You can try it out for yourself and determine if the Word is true. I'm not preaching any strange doctrine. You can read it right in the book.

This comes attached to who's really listening and who isn't. I say you either aren't or just plain ignorant and can only listen in a partial capacity.

I renounce the words that were "spoken". While some are somewhat vague and general, others contradict what God has already said. I judge them, not some individual. I compare them with what the Word says. You speak against the individual.

I judge her fruits with that of the Church. I judge how she is silent on the teachings of the Sacrament of Reconciliation yet just asks everyone to repent instead. I judge how she, who's been supposedly touched by God in that way, carries herself in a not so humble way. You judge what you think is contrary to your personal opinion regarding the Word of God.

Just as important, you won't know God on this Earth. God doesn't fellowship with people who bear fruits as you do. You must repent.

I always need to repent. Just not for the reasons you want me to, Oh eternal judge of my heart.

Their is a move of God coming to the Earth greater than any time in history. It has no denominational boundaries. You must confess and turn from your sins.

You must repent and come back to the Flock.

I said: "Everyone can be deceived. That doesn't mean you have to be. When you hear a word and you want to test it, you walk in it and you bear a fruit. Jesus said if you continue in His Word, you'll know the truth and it will set you free."

But you aren't. That's my point. You reject His Word regarding the visible Church's Authority and take it instead upon yourself. You reject most of the Sacraments, intercession of the Saints and equally His Blessed Mother, as our Spiritual Mother from Heaven. You've so much gone wrong in your man made doctrines that it's coming out your ears.

That's not what He said...

....Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
John 8:31-44

One needs to first receive the gift of faith and be in a perfect state of Grace to allow the Graces of God to perfect them through the Sacraments and Teachings of the Church. But it's because you interpret this verse with a foundation of sola Scripture in mind, as to why you err.

I understand that you're totally blind and venomous.

I'll end off on this from you and shake the dust from my sandals.

May the Lord open your heart to the Truth one day and bring you home.

 

[Alive_Again]

A Catholic doesn't get 'confirmed' twice. Another untruth you're attempting to preach.

One thing you should know. A person doesn't become a Christian when he is baptized in water. He becomes a Christian when he hears and believes the good news of Jesus Christ and receives Him as Lord of their lives. At some point in your life you need to make the choice and not have it made for you. You must be born again. When you receive Jesus as Lord of your life, becoming His disciple, you are born again.

It is possible to get baptized in the Holy Spirit at confirmation. Each person needs to look inwardly for the fruits. Are the gifts of the Spirit working in their lives? Are the fruits of the Holy Spirit greatly increased. Did you receive power?

Why did the early Church 'NEED' a council to bind a final decision on the faithful when these already Christians should have just allowed the Holy Spirit to work in them and tell them the truth instead. That's your way after all but notice it wasn't theirs.

If they all had been listening, that would have sufficed (assuming it was of God). There are those who listen to deceiving spirits and embrace doctrines of demons. Also, God works through government. Those who hear Him should live in agreement. It should agree with the Word of God too.

I'm not bitter at her. I reject her.

You're bitter about anything that contradicts your religious doctrine. You haven't indicated that you've even heard Mary Baxter, yet you reject her.

She disobeys the Church as you 'feel' the 3 little Seers of Fatima and all Catholics are deceived by the Written Word.

The written Word is given to us to help us from being deceived.

Surely you must understand this by now or are you so eager to cast your own judgment that you've turned your head in the process.

You've only spoken in general terms about Fatima. You haven't brought forth any doctrine. I only take issue with specific words attributed to Mary. If someone brings in a basket of fruit and some of it is not of God, it doesn't matter if some of it says things like "God loves you". We know that. That's the sheep skin. It's what's underneath that's the problem.

Her behavior toward the Church of God is an abomination.

People are dedicating their lives to the Lord in repentance. That would be pretty repugnant (to a devil!).

And for one who has been touched by God in this manner, she sure is going heavy on the make up, clothing and earrings.

You're judging by the outward appearance. That's what religious people do.

One so close to the God would have a 'Saint like' disposition and humility in their heart and not care about their outer appearance as an attempt to express their physical beauty.

You cannot see what is in a person's heart based on their appearance. You haven't quoted from her books, so that is all you have to go by.

It's interesting though that she's calling her visions 'A Divine Revelation of Hell'. Sounds dangerous to the utmost extreme where her Christian followers will place it on par with the Written Word of God where they would merely add another book to Scriptures.

We don't put it on a par. We are told by the Lord to search the scriptures to see if it is so. We rely on the Holy Spirit to confirm truth.

So I ask you, what is the difference between her visions of these revelations as compared to 'The Book of the Revelation of John'? Why can't hers be as much 'Inspired' as His?

It could! She's giving her account though and it isn't scripture. God told her to tell of her visits. We don't equate things on par with scripture, though it could be God speaking. God doesn't change, so we go by the yardstick that He provided us.

What a silly thing to say. The Bride submits to Her Groom as is the teachings of Paul on Marriage when He equated it with the Church and Christ. Nothing the Bride says here on earth will conflict with Her Groom.

It does all of the time. That's why we judge with the Word and Spirit.

To prove how dissent works when believing one is being guided by the Spirit while using the Bible alone. Go re-read my post as I first suggested.

I've said "Word and Spirit many times. You are willfully ignorant. Re-read all of those.

You say through you with His Written Word only.

Except your way can only leave individuals 'knowing' individually, who's following the Word and Who aren't. Individuals who can easily be decieved as you have admitted to doing so in the past.

Leadership knows. God doesn't do anything without reveal it to His prophets first. Everyone else bears witness.

I judge her fruits with that of the Church.

You judge by the word of the bride. I judge by the Word of the groom.

I judge how she is silent on the teachings of the Sacrament of Reconciliation yet just asks everyone to repent instead.

You won't find anything in the Word about a "sacrament of reconciliation. They are told to repent and believe. Religion makes you go through an outward process. God says to come to Him direct.

I judge how she, who's been supposedly touched by God in that way, carries herself in a not so humble way.

Have you seen her?

You must repent and come back to the Flock.

You're not leading people to Christ. You want to lead them to the church.

But you aren't. That's my point. You reject His Word regarding the visible Church's Authority and take it instead upon yourself.

That's what this is all about. It's about not being Catholic. This was about Romans 3:23. You can't hear what I say because I'm not Catholic. I can just give you scripture, but you'll reject it because it's scripture from a non-Catholic. As you may recall, I just said to read it and receive it.

As far as being taught of God from the greatest to the least, it seems to be a foreign concept to you. I'll let that speak for itself.

You reject most of the Sacraments, intercession of the Saints and equally His Blessed Mother, as our Spiritual Mother from Heaven. You've so much gone wrong in your man made doctrines that it's coming out your ears.

As far as your sacraments go, much of it is derived from the Word, but additional requirements are added to qualify it's authenticity. All Christians take communion, receive forgiveness of sins, are filled with the Holy Spirit (which btw you can receive as a little child).

As far as Mary goes, I'd love to meet her and have the highest respect for her and to her privilege as mother of Jesus. I don't believe she hears prayers. I don't believe she receives an ability to hear them and then answer them in any way. I think God does a great job of hearing and answering. I don't call her the Mother of God, since God predates her pretty far back. If someone comes saying it is her, the words need to be compared to the Word of God and discerned. If they conflict with the Word, they are to be rejected. Mary would not lie either, so it would not be her.

If I'm relying on the Word and Spirit, it's not a man made doctrine. If you add or take away from the Word based on the teaching of any man, you have a manmade doctrine.

You oppose yourself and the work of God. You judge by the outward appearance and render judgments against the servants of God.

What you have to ask yourself, is when you go to church, do you really have fellowship with God? Do you know God? You exhibit great bitterness of heart and are critical of the Word.


Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth:
1 Cor 13:4-8 (KJV)

As I said, I'm still going to pray for you. I'm not going to let you defile my spirit with your bitterness and religiosity.