Aliens

[simplyg123]

Their are many accounts of people being obducted, seeing strange fling saucers, and, well you know the stories.

How can so many people witness these strange things, this has happened to doctors and lawers, and what one would call credible people.

Is it all A hoax

 

[Valkhorn]

People lie.

Besides, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This is why court cases often never rely on testimony alone. In fact the only way to verify those claims would be to have tangible, physical evidence.

 

[simplyg123]

People lie.

Besides, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This is why court cases often never rely on testimony alone. In fact the only way to verify those claims would be to have tangible, physical evidence.

no, but court cases do except video evidence, and their are many videos, that have been proven to be unedited and genuine

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Why is this in the C/E forum?

 

[plindboe]

Hallucinations are often thought of as occurances only happen to insane people. This is not so. The vast amount of alien abductions can be explained by sleep paralysis, which is a half-sleep state where one feels paralysed, often difficulty to breathe, accompanied by intense emotions of fear and often accompanied by hypnopompic and hypnogogic hallucinations. Hallucinations are often fueled by popular culture and personal beliefs, which is why people have a tendancy to see what we also see in the movies or read in a certain book. Whether people use their beliefs to interpret their hallucinations, or whether their hallucinations simply reflect their beliefs is hard to determine. But these kinds of hallucinations have led to many fascinating visions over the ages. In the old days people were abducted by elves instead of aliens. Funny how minds work.

Peter

 

[Pete Harcoff]

As someone who experience hypnopompic hallucinations (not quite the same as sleep paralysis) and I can vouch for what plindboe stated.

 

[Aron-Ra]

Is it all A hoax

Yes, several of them, actually.

 

[Valkhorn]

no, but court cases do except video evidence, and their are many videos, that have been proven to be unedited and genuine

Of random lights in the sky. A light in the sky could be a bug, a reflective something, a plane, a jet, a helicoptor, a reflection on the inside of the house bouncing off of the glass window, anything.

Yet of all those possible explainations you settle on an alien spacecraft? It's a bit of a jump in logic there.

 

[simplyg123]

Why is this in the C/E forum?

to get different oppinions, i also have a similar post in science fiction, however i felt the oppinion might be biased there

 

[simplyg123]

Of random lights in the sky. A light in the sky could be a bug, a reflective something, a plane, a jet, a helicoptor, a reflection on the inside of the house bouncing off of the glass window, anything

i agree with the anything, you know some have believed that the bible spoke of such things, but described them as things like chariots of fire

 

[Pete Harcoff]

to get different oppinions, i also have a similar post in science fiction, however i felt the oppinion might be biased there

Fair enough.

At any rate, I don't believe there are alien spacecraft whizzing around our skies. I used to when I was a kid. I big into all that stuff: monsters, ghosts, paranormal activity, aliens... But as I got older I realized the evidence for any of it was pretty scanty. Most of it seemed to rely on personal testimony, but that's not always very reliable. People lie, exaggerate, even convince themselves they've seen something when they may not have. And the remaining evidence is usually scant, such as blurry photos and videos. And in today's age of digital manipulation, it's even harder to take photo or video evidence. And finally, you have people that try to make excuses for the lack of evidence by claiming things like government conspiracies.

Extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence.

 

[simplyg123]

Fair enough.

At any rate, I don't believe there are alien spacecraft whizzing around our skies. I used to when I was a kid. I big into all that stuff: monsters, ghosts, paranormal activity, aliens... But as I got older I realized the evidence for any of it was pretty scanty. Most of it seemed to rely on personal testimony, but that's not always very reliable. People lie, exaggerate, even convince themselves they've seen something when they may not have. And the remaining evidence is usually scant, such as blurry photos and videos. And in today's age of digital manipulation, it's even harder to take photo or video evidence. And finally, you have people that try to make excuses for the lack of evidence by claiming things like government conspiracies.

Extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence.

im not sold on the idea they exist, but before i became christian, it was my belief that perhapss we are creations of another being, or a descendant of, and that the angels seen by people in the bible were these aliens.

I mean its an enormous world, we are one galaxy of many.

 

[Valkhorn]

i agree with the anything, you know some have believed that the bible spoke of such things, but described them as things like chariots of fire

And I also read a book which said that the lights in the sky were stars but the one that was the brightest on the left was Neverland.

Doesn't make it true.

 

[Valkhorn]

I mean its an enormous world, we are one galaxy of many.

Yes, there is more than a likely chance that there is life elsewhere. However you can't jump to the conclusion that they are abducting people here and flying around in the sky without more concrete evidence.

Blurry photos and videos of questionable origen don't help.

 

[simplyg123]

And I also read a book which said that the lights in the sky were stars but the one that was the brightest on the left was Neverland.

Doesn't make it true.

now was your source considered fiction, or nonfiction.

Your comparing a childs book, with adult studies.

though i do see your point

but would you use the same philosophy with reading the bible?

 

[Aggie]

Of random lights in the sky. A light in the sky could be a bug, a reflective something, a plane, a jet, a helicoptor, a reflection on the inside of the house bouncing off of the glass window, anything.

Yet of all those possible explainations you settle on an alien spacecraft? It's a bit of a jump in logic there.

I saw a UFO around 10 years ago, when I was 13 or so. (And here I’m using the literal meaning of UFO—an unidentified flying object, meaning just that I had absolutely no idea what it was.) It was an circle of about 12 orange lights that appeared over the top of trees in my front yard, and flew towards the area above my house until I lost sight of it past the edge of my window. I might have been able to see more of it in the day, but since it was dark out the lights were all I could see.

I couldn’t tell how far away it was, but if it was as high up as most airplanes it must have been at least 200 feet across. It also rotated as it moved, so I doubt it was an airplane, but the rotation was about once every two seconds which is much too slow for the rotor blades of a helicopter. It also didn’t make anywhere near as much noise as helicopters do, since I couldn’t hear it at all.

I guess it might have been some sort of secret military aircraft, but there aren’t any military bases near where I live.

 

[WingsOfTheNeophyte]

I agree that extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence

So far we do not have this extraordinary to prove aliens are roving around

However the evidence we do posses, leads me to believe there is a high likelihood that something is going on which we do not understand, whether unexplained yet scientific phenomena, unreleased military technology, or aliens

 

[tocis]

Their are many accounts of people being obducted, seeing strange fling saucers, and, well you know the stories.

You know that X-Files poster with a UFO hovering above some trees and the slogan "I want to believe"?

I don't doubt that at least most of these people (if not all of them) have seen something... but I've yet to see any such report that wasn't based on misinterpretations at best, outright forgery at worst.

Furthermore, I had one run-in with some of these people years ago... and if they are all as gullible as these few (okay, they aren't, but you know what I mean)...

...suffice it to say that evidence of forgery - ludicrously performed forgery! - was all around, yet one of those UFOlogists/esoterics/whatever ran around with his pendulum, murmuring wide-eyed "Yes, immense forces all around, clearly perceivable"...

...it makes you wonder how much of above-mentioned slogan is, sadly, true.

 

[fasteddy]

Their are many accounts of people being obducted, seeing strange fling saucers, and, well you know the stories.

How can so many people witness these strange things, this has happened to doctors and lawers, and what one would call credible people.

Is it all A hoax

Alien encounters can be compared to Religion, there is NEVER any evidence
to prove it happened or even it's existence, everything is hearsay.

It's a good business to be in if you want to make money because there are always people ready to
believe any rubbish you want to print, in fact the more crazy the story the better it sells,
they used to say 'there is one born every minute', now they say 'there is one born every 20 seconds',
and the only people who benefit from keeping the Alien myth going are the publishers of the alien books,
and people who tour the country giving lectures about aliens, even if you could prove aliens don't exist
they would still keep it going just to make money, look how much money is made in Roswell by keeping 'Aliens' alive.

 

[Opcode42]

Alien abductions and UFO sightings have one other coincidence which helps highlight their fictional nature. For the most part, they did not start occurring till the advent of manned air travel and specifically the development of rocketry that brought the idea of travel in space into the realm of possibility.

Before the early to mid 1900's, these same strange occurences happened, but it was demons faeries, and other spirits instead of little green men and spaceships.

Out civilization has always had superstitions and fantasy believes. The same creativity and curiosity that drives us to explore our world, to unearth new knowledge, and develop technological marvels also allows our imaginations to run wild when under stress or confronted with the unknown. And unfortunately, this also means our senses and even memories cannot always be trusted as accurate, without outside verification.