Aliens vs Supernatural

[mathinspiration]

Do you believe that aliens made the universe or unintentionally and helped ancient civilizations? Or is this plain racist?

 

[Monk Brendan]

Do you believe that aliens made the universe or unintentionally and helped ancient civilizations? Or is this plain racist?

Where were the aliens before they made the universe?

And who made them to start with?

 

[durangodawood]

Do you believe that aliens made the universe or unintentionally and helped ancient civilizations? Or is this plain racist?

Wait... what about the "but supernatural" part?

 

[timewerx]

Where were the aliens before they made the universe?

And who made them to start with?

Based on my knowledge / hypothesis on what the Universe is made of and how many there are out there (possibly infinite), it's certainly possible.

The cycle has possibly no beginning, and no end, just like the knot that tied Pandora's Box. There's much more to that fairy tale once you come to that realization. Pandora's Box is actually a universe. What came out of it, are the inhabitants of that universe. We are dealing with highly advanced ancient knowledge that after a time, became myths and fairy tales and even possibly religion....

Likewise, we virtually can't get out of this one either, we have to cross infinite number of universes which is next to impossible unless we figure out the "Knot" that ties this reality together. To get out... Whatever is out there...

There you go!

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Do you believe that aliens made the universe or unintentionally and helped ancient civilizations? Or is this plain racist?

I believe that Fallen angels have had their hands in that. (Genesis 6, the book of Enoch etc.)

I believe that what people call "Aliens" today are essentially Fallen Angels in disguise. There lot of stuff to say on the topic, but I believe Christ's comment about the Last days "As it was in the days of Noah... so will lit it be in the Last days" pertains to a whole number of issues like corruption of society and so on, but it also does pertain to the issue of fallen angels and their affect on society as a sign of the times.


I will say there are many reasons to believe the UFO travelers are fallen angels in disguise.

Alien Encounters Fail the Test

 

[Pavel Mosko]

The Interdimensional Hypothesis (IDH): This theory holds that UFOs are a real phenomenon that may exhibit physical and empirical effects, but whose origin and nature belongs not to extraterrestrial spacecraft, but to another dimension of reality beyond our time-space continuum. Sometimes described as the paranormal/occult view of UFOs, some UFO experts (especially Christian) have ascribed a demonic interpretation to this alleged extra-dimensional presence. Such leading secular UFO experts as Jacques Vallée have argued for a correspondence between the UFO phenomenon and the occult or demonology.5

Using what logicians call abductive reasoning, the best explanatory hypothesis is balanced between complexity and simplicity, is coherent, corresponds to the facts, avoids presumptions, is testable, and thus has true explanatory power. In applying this approach to UFOs it is evident that all views have their difficulties. Nevertheless, while the vast majority of UFOs have natural explanations (possibly 99%), RUFOs consistently defy a natural explanation. So the MIH does not explain all the data. The ETH, which calls for traversing vast distances of interstellar space, exhibiting behavior that violates the laws of physics, and sustaining untold numbers of spacecrafts, is scientifically, technologically, and logically untenable. The IDH also has weaknesses (physicality of reports, difficulty in validating psychic-like phenomena), but seems to offer the most explanatory power. RUFO-related phenomena strike an objective person as being real, but not physical, being deceptive in nature, and possibly malevolent in intent. Also, a biblical case can be made that RUFOs reflect a demonic influence. One should be cautious, however, about drawing any hard and fast conclusions about UFO phenomena.

Response
Christians can communicate several things when engaging the culture in UFO discussions. First, in the highly improbable event the existence of physical extraterrestrials will be proven, this development would not disprove Christianity. The Bible reveals God created all things, regardless of where they reside. The God of the Bible is not a mere Earth-based deity, but is the transcendent Lord of the entire cosmos. Second, RUFOs are for the most part a religious phenomenon and religious beliefs have real consequences, as was evidenced in the case of the Heaven's Gate cult. And third, historic Christianity provides powerful and livable answers to life's ultimate questions, and those answers are more convincing than anything RUFO phenomena can provide.

The Buzz On UFOs

 

[jayem]

Do you believe that aliens made the universe or unintentionally and helped ancient civilizations? Or is this plain racist?

I wouldn't say it's racist. I pride myself on my vocabulary, but I'm not sure of the right adjective for this idea. Bizarre. Outlandish. Fatuous. Daft. Illusory. Chimerical.

Maybe I'll just go with loopy.

 

[Basil the Great]

Whether or not aliens helped ancient civilizations is an interesting concept and a possibility, but such would have no effect at all upon the reality of a Supreme Being.

 

[devin553344]

Based on dark energy, which is about as massive as a galaxy for it's black hole size, one might contemplate a galaxy creation device. So it's perhaps possible that an alien race could initiate a galaxy from dark energy. But it would have to be a really advanced race.

I still believe that God created our galaxy though

 

[durangodawood]

Whether or not aliens helped ancient civilizations is an interesting concept and a possibility, but such would have no effect at all upon the reality of a Supreme Being.

No. But it would represent a startling omission in the Bible.

 

[The Righterzpen]

I think "dark matter" or "dark energy" is the physical manifestation of the presence of evil that came about (my theory being that it is an opposite reaction to God's action of creating).

The "knowledge of good and evil" that God possessed in eternity (logically speaking) seems to be that God knew as soon as He created anything; the theoretical opposite of what He is, in relation to His creation comes into existence and since God is the opposite of evil; (yet categorically different than evil as being omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, eternal and immortal) this is where evil comes from.

So the manifestation that it exists in this universe isn't just human sin, but things like dark matter and other created entities (angels) who have the ability to transgress.

This universe seems to have a triune existence. We have non living matter. What we would consider "carbon based life" and entities existing in a "spiritual" realm.

Now is there other carbon based life in the universe? Probably! (I would not put that past God. He does speak of worlds (plural) He has created and that which He has redeemed. Hebrews 1:1-3

Are there other carbon based life forms of comparable functional intelligence as humanity? That's certainly possible too. Obviously angels have comparable intelligence. (This entire planet is actually "pretty smart" if you really think about it. LOL)

Would other carbon based life of comparable functionally to humanity also be created in God's image? Now there's a difficult topic to address theologically, because if there is multiple manifestations of carbon based life created in God's image; does that necessitate multiple manifestations of the Redeemer?

If they did not all originate at some point in the same local; the answer to that would have to be yes.

Could Jesus be incarnated on multiple planets simultaneously securing atonement as to how ever it would relate to that race of beings? That's theoretically possible; but did that actually happen?

We will probably never know on this side of eternity. (Unless the "big secret" of what crashed in Roswell actually validities Christianity above any other religion! LOL!)

The difficulty with space travel though is the ability to get from one place to another given the distance and the limitations we possess as planetary bound life forms. Space is an extremely hostile environment and propulsion systems that operate on planetary surfaces, either are not practical or don't function period in outer space.

The other question is; are there actually properties of outer space that would facilitate travel that we just haven't discovered yet? That's possible too.

I also agree though with what Pavel Mosko posted about what is commonly deemed as "alien lore" today; that it is either demonic or complete figments of people's imaginations.

 

[Sanoy]

Aliens can't make the universe because they are contingent on the universe existing. The universe has to exist first because aliens are dependent on the universe to sustain them and bring about their existence.

Both Greece and the Ancient Near East report civilization being guided by an external hand, but none of them record them as aliens. They are all described by terms identical to that of angels, and often depicted as hybrids of human and animal beings (See Apkallu). From a Christian and Ancient Jewish perspective those described in ancient texts would be fallen angels. In fact the Greek and Mesopotamian narrative transitions to them being fallen and a source of corruption as well.

 

[Basil the Great]

No. But it would represent a startling omission in the Bible.

True, it would be a startling omission.

 

[FireDragon76]

I believe it is possible some UFO's are real spacecraft, but I believe many are simply related to the ancient phenomenon of people encountering elves and fairies. The behavior of most "aliens" is far more like the medieval stories of elves than genuine scientists from advanced civilizations.

People who experience alien abduction are more likely to have fantasy-prone personalities. They aren't insane per se, but they experience wierd things that other people do not, and are more likely to interpret ambiguous things through fantasy.

 

[JackRT]

Using the term "aliens" as referring to intelligent life forms that exist elsewhere in the universe, I would say that aliens are possible and even probable. However no such creatures have yet been found and making contact presents incredible difficulties that we do not yet have the technology to address.

Are they friendly or malevolent? Who knows. If they are anything like us they could be either.

Are they supernatural or even demonic? Since I am unconvinced that there actually are demons or even angels, I would say no.

 

[FireDragon76]

Using the term "aliens" as referring to intelligent life forms that exist elsewhere in the universe, I would say that aliens are possible and even probable. However no such creatures have yet been found and making contact presents incredible difficulties that we do not yet have the technology to address.

Are they friendly or malevolent? Who knows. If they are anything like us they could be either.

If they are sufficiently advanced, I doubt we could understand their motivations, in the same way that the motivations of many Europeans were initially confusing to Native Americans.

 

[Kaon]

Do you believe that aliens made the universe or unintentionally and helped ancient civilizations? Or is this plain racist?

It isn't racist, but it would be falling for a deception.

There are no aliens; there are celestial and interdimensional entities that reside in different spheres of existence.

Most UFOs and strange activity people see are from their own government black ops programs.

 

[Kaon]

Based on my knowledge / hypothesis on what the Universe is made of and how many there are out there (possibly infinite), it's certainly possible.

The cycle has possibly no beginning, and no end, just like the knot that tied Pandora's Box. There's much more to that fairy tale once you come to that realization. Pandora's Box is actually a universe. What came out of it, are the inhabitants of that universe. We are dealing with highly advanced ancient knowledge that after a time, became myths and fairy tales and even possibly religion....

Likewise, we virtually can't get out of this one either, we have to cross infinite number of universes which is next to impossible unless we figure out the "Knot" that ties this reality together. To get out... Whatever is out there...

There you go!

Are you familiar with (mathematical) knot thory?

 

[JackRT]

If they are sufficiently advanced, I doubt we could understand their motivations, in the same way that the motivations of many Europeans were initially confusing to Native Americans.

Excellent comment! If human beings from Europe and the Americas could misunderstand each other so badly, how much more difficult would it be to understand an entirely different life form?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I believe that Fallen angels have had their hands in that. (Genesis 6, the book of Enoch etc.)

I believe that what people call "Aliens" today are essentially Fallen Angels in disguise. There lot of stuff to say on the topic, but I believe Christ's comment about the Last days "As it was in the days of Noah... so will lit it be in the Last days" pertains to a whole number of issues like corruption of society and so on, but it also does pertain to the issue of fallen angels and their affect on society as a sign of the times.


I will say there are many reasons to believe the UFO travelers are fallen angels in disguise.

Alien Encounters Fail the Test

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