Alcohol

[Aibrean]

If you are currently getting drunk it's wrong.

 

[NatalieJan777]

I drink and I drink around my kids. Maybe a few beers with my brother while watching a race or a football game. I would never drive drunk with my kids. If I drink with my kids my wife drives. I have in my younger days gotten very drunk but never around my kids. Do I beleive that drinking is bad - yes if you can't control it. There are people that can't control there actions while drinking. I can control my actions so is this wrong?

No! It is a display of Self Control.

Self Control is a fruit of the spirit. It teaches us to not be engrossed in anything in this life, and when to know what is appropriate and when it is appropriate. When we come to Christ we are not immediately called to full growth in the Spirit, it is a process. If you can say, It matters to me not whether alcohol is available for my consumption, or if you can have a beer and that is enough for you, this is self control.

Proverbs 25:28 Like a city whose walls are broken down is a man who lacks self-control.

Praise the Lord that HIS SPIRIT never gives up on us as we grow in HIM.

2 Peter 1:5-7 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

If we walk in the Spirit, HIS SPIRIT will convict us of any wrong we do. I am convinced that unless you get drunk and display anger and hate then you deny GOD, only then are you sinning.

Genisis 6:9 This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.

After the Flood

Genisis 9:20-21 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.

The bible doesn't say that what happened next is Noah's fault, it claims clearly it is the one with the evil thoughts and intents who was at fault. That is the one who will be judged and not Noah for what was done. The bible speaks of drunkeness and people taking advantage of others by getting them drunk, it is not the person who drinks that it wrong, it is the one who takes advantage of them.

Genisis 9:28-29 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. Altogether, Noah lived 950 years, and then he died.

Nonetheless, I do see the point of Christians who claim that Alcohol is of the Devil and not something created by GOD. For if alcohol did not exist, I do believe that many sins would not either. It is only common sense to see this.

 

[musicpicturegal]

I don't drink. I would hate to cause my brother or sister to stumble. If they see that I'm drinking even though I don't have a problem and they decide to drink and they start to have a problem with alcohol, I would feel horrible. I know that I could probably drink privately in my own house, but I really have no desire to do that.

While I don't think having one glass of wine or one beer is a sin, my personal preference is not to drink at all. I don't look down on those that drink, I just choose not to do it.

 

[ashout]

alchohaul is a disgusting curse that has ruined me. if i stopped today i'd miss it, and i think it's ok to drink if your going to hell, becuase who care's, right? otherwise ex nay on the booze.

 

[Italianguy]

alchohaul is a disgusting curse that has ruined me. if i stopped today i'd miss it, and i think it's ok to drink if your going to hell, becuase who care's, right? otherwise ex nay on the booze.

Brother it sounds as if you have somewhat of a drinking problem? I pray that God heals you and you drop the alcohol problem. I would like to say though that it's probably not great idea to condem all, because they have some alcohol.Why would you condem yourself to hell brother? You are forgiven by our Lord, repent, and live by Gods words.

God be with you.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I don't drink. Never have.

I have also never seen an atmosphere that involved lots of alchohol that I thought was conducive to Christian principles. (Baseballgame/wedding/race/party/concert)

I'll never understand why people have to associate alchohol with a "good time". To me, that association is the opposite. Alchohol usually just means problems later.

Historically, wine was easier to obtain than clean/fresh water. That's why you hear about it more than any other drink in almost all historical accounts. It was wine or it was nothing. They didn't have tap water like we do. No coke...no sweet tea...no cherry limeade slush.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Here's another question:
Why not replace the work alchohol with....say...Marijuana?

would the opinions be the same?
Would it be ok to smoke just a little pot, if you could control yourself?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Statistics show that alcohol is the leading cause of death for teenagers among all drugs. Why don't anyone say that you can smoke marijuana in moderation. Alcohol is a drug just as marijuana so why the distinction. Noah was a righteous upright man and look at what alcohol did to him.

 

[NatalieJan777]

Here's another question:
Why not replace the work alchohol with....say...Marijuana?

would the opinions be the same?
Would it be ok to smoke just a little pot, if you could control yourself?

Having been born and raised in Southern California, I've tested many things.

Having a beer/wine or two with friends has never compared to the total unawareness that drugs have to offer. This makes me wonder exactly how much Lot and Noah drank to be as they were in scripture.

Just my personal opinion, I do not like drugs, not even asperin/tylenol for that matter, I would rather bare with the pain then suffer the side affects.

Sinus medication is a different story, it is almost worth it to rid myself of that pain and deal with the side affects.

I can see that it is a personal choice.

Marijuana can now be perscribed in pill form to patience who need it for medicinal purposes (weight gain). It will not however give you the total unawareness as if it were smoked (I've heard this from reliable sources who've tested it and were dissapointed). I personally do not like modern medicin, again a personal opinion.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I see what you're saying. But with a "mild" drug like marijuana, you can dose up or dose down. Taking one "hit" isn't going to blow your mind just like taking one sip isn't going to cause you stumble through the front door. That's why I put them in the same category. They are all drugs.

 

[NatalieJan777]

The same is true of caffeine as well (which includes cocoa, tea and chocolate), I suppose my drug intake just increased lol. Anyway, yes it is true they are all drugs, and the use of them for Christians must all be done as if not engrossed in them. I see that GOD could literally see the abuse and our engrossing in them as idolatry. If we can say we need none of it but HIM, we possibly all would be better off. IMHO

 

[jonathan180iq]

If we can say we need none of it but HIM, we possibly all would be better off. IMHO

Amen

 

[Aibrean]

Statistics show that alcohol is the leading cause of death for teenagers among all drugs. Why don't anyone say that you can smoke marijuana in moderation. Alcohol is a drug just as marijuana so why the distinction. Noah was a righteous upright man and look at what alcohol did to him.

Is that surprising? Teenagers aren't legally allowed to drink in the USA. It's called rebellion. You tell someone they can't do something and it makes them want to do it more. There is a maturity and awareness level issue as well. Adults with solid careers don't have drinking parties. What's the point of it?

According to the CDC, in 2008 per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are four times more likely than older drivers to crash.

Any teen under 18 can't legally enter a contract on their own because they aren't mentally capable of making such decisions for themselves.

I see a correlation.

 

[dies-l]

Adults with solid careers don't have drinking parties.

What career field are you in? My experience has been that drinking parties are a central part of professional life in this country. This is at least the case in the legal and medical professions.

 

[ashout]

Brother it sounds as if you have somewhat of a drinking problem? I pray that God heals you and you drop the alcohol problem. I would like to say though that it's probably not great idea to condem all, because they have some alcohol.Why would you condem yourself to hell brother? You are forgiven by our Lord, repent, and live by Gods words.

God be with you.

I have the worse drinking problem ever. But I'm going to quit and live soberly. I didn't condemn those who drank, I condemned those who drink to get drunk. that's a no no. and you only get forgiven the FIRST time, if you fall off and fall off and fall off, eventually you will stay off and there will be no more mercy and forgiveness for you. I'll post the verse I'm talking about if anyone wants to argue that:
"If we diliberately keep on sinning after we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sin is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemy's of God." Hebrews 10:26-27
You can't continue in DILIBERET sin perpetually after asking for forgiveness.

 

[jcnwog]

i drunk twice in my lifetime, as a result of peer pressure and curiosity and both times were horrible. i didn't throw up but the taste of alcohol and beer has a bitter sour taste in my mouth. i don't know why but i just do not like it.

again i never vomited but it certainly messed with my mind and it had me doing and saying things i wasn't suppose to say.

i just think alcohol period is bad for you because if you indulge yourself with to much of it it will eventually show up on your body with health problems. just like how men or women look at each other and observe the beauty on one another if we abuse it to the point of our own fantasies then it becomes a problem e.g. lust.

to answer your questions:
-no
-if i was to drink today my limit would be to the point i felt drunk again beer and alcohol is disgusting
-yes its okay to drink but if you abuse it to the point to use it for different purposes then by all means its wrong.

-well i drunk twice and that was my 21st birthday (8/19/08) and the halloween loop (10/31/08) night and those nights were not cool. after that halloween loop night i had been sober since. i'm glad god gave me a sour taste to alcohol and beer in general because that's why i'm no where near my father today because he is an alcoholic. he warned me at the beginning to not indulge myself within it and i went in and guess what? a NASTY TASTE!!!! EWWWWWWWWWW lol

i just think 95% (imo) of people drink alcohol to relieve themselves from problems but fail to realize that you more than likely are generating problems yourself society-wise with others and to your own health.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

If someone has now or has had a drinking problem, or alcohol has caused significant problems in their life, then they should not drink. If someone feels that it would be wrong for them spirtually to drink, they should not drink. If someone doesn't like the taste of alcohol they aren't going to drink. Where the problem comes into the picture is when people start making doctrinal, blanket statements that condems alcohol unto itself and those that drink in any amount. To do that is legalism because the Bible doesn't make a moral judgement on drinking itself, only drinking to excess. If alcohol had been a sin unto itself then that would have been spelled out in no uncertain terms in the Bible. Claiming that alcohol is a sin in any amount is a false doctrine of man.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Something you have to realize about the time of Jesus was that their wine was not the wine we know today.

Wine back then was a very weak alcoholic beverage, mostly water with some alcohol. People would typically drink it in place of water because the water had a habit of containing bacteria, viruses, etc. They didn't have the clean flowing tap water we have the pleasure of these days.

Not to mention with the industrial revolution across the globe, alcohol has only gotten stronger,

What you are speaking is complete nonsense.

Wine back then was the same as today. When you squeeze grapes, you get sugars which are fermented by yeast. Wines which have extra alcohol are called 'fortified' and they aren't the typical wines you drink.

I really wish people would stop revising history to fit into a puritan mindset.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

i just think 95% (imo) of people drink alcohol to relieve themselves from problems but fail to realize that you more than likely are generating problems yourself society-wise with others and to your own health.

You are speaking based on your personal preferences, not based on fact or the experiences of others.

I think Kentucky Fried Chicken is gross, but I don't say that the only people who eat that are those with personal problems.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

So then, Jesus turned the water into wine. Was it possible that someone could have gotten drunk from the wine Jesus made? If so then would Jesus making the wine be a temptation for people to overdrink. Jesus was omnipotent and if anyone was going to get drunk he would have foreknowledge. Would Jesus then create alcoholic wine which would have tempted allot of people to keep drinking and eventually get drunk. Imagine Jesus telling the father, "yea, i made the wine but i didnt tell them to drink so much". That would be irresponsible. But if no, then what do we get from it.

Drink but don't get drunk is like saying to sleep on the same bed with another's husband or wife and not commit adultery. Its not that it can't be done but its like flirting with sin. The bible says to flee all appearances of evil. Because something appears evil it does not mean you will get caught up in it, yet the bible still says to flee. God in his wisdom does not want us flirting with sin. You might be able to drink and not get drunk but another Christian may not and when a church says that its OK to drink but don't get drunk it's putting its entire membership at risk.

I see- so when Jesus feed the thousands, he made 0 calorie cakes so He wouldn't tempt anyone into gluttony?