But seriously, the Catholic Church can't convince anyone else of the Pope's authority, and this kid wants to convince atheists? Come on now, son, you're not even trying anymore.
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Age Old Debate: Right and Wrong
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Jesus said WHATEVER St Peter bound, he bound the office of the Pope.
Jesus Gave St Pater the power to bind, and he bound his succesor.
Christ gave St Peter the power to bind, and he bound the church...ordained by Christ.
please thats like me going to an anti Islamic site to learn about Islam.
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I find it strange that I am four years older than you, yet you call me a kid, that must make you a child.
I speak the truth, the atheist is doomed anyway, you can either accept it and pray on it or not (I guess you would pick not)......the Lord says that small is the door that leads to heaven and narrow is the road and few will travel it...so it doesnt surprise me that few will listen to the truth, Christ already knew that many would reject his bride.
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I think he really meant this: You guys aren't going to do what I say so I'm going to go play by myself! Hmph!
Seriously, though, you're going to have to establish the authority of the bible (without citing the bible!) to even start to convince any of us.
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Really? Where in the bible is this found? Or is it just a tradition of men?
Really? Where in the bible is this found? Or is it just a tradition of men?
No, it's not. It's like you going to a NON-Islamic site to learn about Islam. There's a big difference between a NON-X site and an ANTI-X site. You are likely to get propoganda from a PRO-X site and an ANTI-X site; you are more likely to get facts from a NON-X site.
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Yes, he means to go to a site that is not leaning for or against the catholic church, but that would give an unbiased account of what has happened through the years.
The Catholic church, as a fallable institution run by mankind has made mistakes and members from high and low have sinned both small and great.
The Catholic church, as a fallable institution run by mankind has made mistakes and members from high and low have sinned both small and great.
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I see this.
Will you give Scripture reference for any of this? Peter wrote 2 books of the Bible, and was described in others. Where is any of the rest of this shown in Scripture? Or do you have some other written proof from St. Peter that he id any of these things? Or is it simply oral church history?
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Can you name a single wrong act made out of real (self-sacrificing) love? I can't. The fact of the matter is that real love wants what's best for the other person. Therefore, doing what's best for the other person would result in no wrong act being performed. Or am I missing something that makes that not follow?
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Yes, I think you are missing something. Since I cannot really relate to the word "wrong" (as used in Christian terminology), I will speak about harmful acts. Although I agree with the notion that a loving person wants what´s best for the other, the loving person might not know what´s best for the other. I know of plenty of examples where love and the best intentions led to great harm.
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Look up Peters Confession of Christ in the book of St Matthew.
Sure it is, its like saying lets only believe the American History of the Cold War that was written by the Russians.
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How does someone "choose" to believe in something that doesn't make sense to them? You can't momentarily suspend your belief in God; I submit that your belief in God is not a choice.
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i have momentarily suspended my Christianity on another thread.
Does it mean I am not a christian no, just that I am making arguments that do not involve christianity.
All belief is a choice.
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So for a moment, you actually chose not to believe in Jesus? I think you're lying. You have no choice but to believe in what you believe. Such is the nature of belief.
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I don't know that a person has no choice in what they believe. After all, I can choose to believe anything I wish until it's shown to me, one way or another. If I'm blind, I don't know that the sky is generally blue or that chlorophyll is green. I believe it. If I gain sight, then I can know.
I can't choose not to believe in Jesus because He's shown Himself to me. His existence and (basic) nature are facts to me, not simply belief. Most atheists I've "spoken" to (some online, others not) have simply stated a lack of belief based on too little evidence. Not a staunch belief that there is no deity, but that they've not seen evidence to make the existence of Jesus (or any other deity) fact to them.
Does that make any sense?
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I can't choose not to believe in Jesus because He's shown Himself to me. His existence and (basic) nature are facts to me, not simply belief. Most atheists I've "spoken" to (some online, others not) have simply stated a lack of belief based on too little evidence. Not a staunch belief that there is no deity, but that they've not seen evidence to make the existence of Jesus (or any other deity) fact to them.
Does that make any sense?
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Not really, unless you can illustrate to me by a real example from your personal experience. I don't know of anything I truly believe that I can simply "make myself not believe" because I want to.
So, I ask you to choose to believe, right this very moment, that lawn gnomes come to life when you're not looking. Is that something you can choose to do? Or is this, as I presume, impossible?
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Why would the swiss be more accurate than the Russians. I was refering to the fact thatRussia would hardly have been allowed to go into America to write the history at the time....most Historians now were notthere at the beggining of the Church, so that was my point.
Can we also assume that by this you are saying that any American History that is written by the American People is not to be believed at all.
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You're not getting it. An American history account of the Cold War written by the Russians would be biased toward the USSR. An account written by the Swiss would be neutral (because the Swiss are known for their neutrality) so the objective account would be more credible.
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Actually, I'd say there's always that possibility. You know . . . there could be gnomes in the world. We just haven't seen any for a really long time. But then, I'm pretty gullible (I have a fantastically strong imagination).
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