Age of the earth, why is it relevant?!

[SkyWriting]

Can you please explain your point?



It was a question, but if you choose not to answer or even see it for what it really means, up to you.

Excellent!

 

[SkyWriting]

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Are you saying God doesn't have control of the speed of light?

Then He can also control how time passes and the age of the earth can be whatever people want to think it is becasue all past events are Faith based at their core.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, God can do anything, with some qualifications, but He didn't, he did SOMETHING. The problem with any "appearance of age argument" is that it reduces Romans 1:20 to a false statement.

No different from Jesus turning water to wine, giving the appearance that Jesus made a booze run to the liquor store, when he didn't. Just who is to blame for our lack of faith?

 

[Halbhh]

Yes, God can do anything, with some qualifications, but He didn't, he did SOMETHING. The problem with any "appearance of age argument" is that it reduces Romans 1:20 to a false statement.

Perhaps for many the problem lies with the impression that science is an Atheistic endeavor, which it is not. The beginning of both the universe and of life remain a mystery, which is why the argument for the existence of God centers in the realm of philosophy, and specifically metaphysics. Taking a view against science because of pre-conceived bias is submitting to a false dilemma, and an extremely myopic perspective.

Indeed, though how many have degrees in the hard sciences or enough reading to tell good science from imagination?

 

[1watchman]

This is one of the more extremely long OP posts on CF, and it shows the variety of ideas people have. That is why we must know and hold to "all the counsel of God" and leave our ideas and reasonings for parlor talk. God hears all the nonsense, and we ought to want to be on God's side of things ---i.e. His Word of Truth; and I decline now to speak further to those who are not yet "born again" saints of God. Look up, friends!

 

[Jamsie]

This is one of the more extremely long OP posts on CF, and it shows the variety of ideas people have. That is why we must know and hold to "all the counsel of God" and leave our ideas and reasonings for parlor talk. God hears all the nonsense, and we ought to want to be on God's side of things ---i.e. His Word of Truth; and I decline now to speak further to those who are not yet "born again" saints of God. Look up, friends!

J. Gresham Machen
THE PRINCETON THEOLOGICAL REVIEW, Vol. 11, 1913

"Modern culture is a tremendous force. It affects all classes of society. It affects the ignorant as well as the learned. What is to be done about it? In the first place the Church may simply withdraw from the conflict. She may simply allow the mighty stream of modern thought to flow by unheeded and do her work merely in the back-eddies of the current. There are still some men in the world who have been unaffected by modern culture. They may still be won for Christ without intellectual labor. And they must be won. It is useful, it is necessary work. If the Church is satisfied with that alone, let her give up the scientific education of her ministry. Let her assume the truth of her message and learn simply how it may be applied in detail to modern industrial and social conditions. Let her give up the laborious study of Greek and Hebrew. Let her abandon the scientific study of history to the men of the world. In a day of increased scientific interest, let the Church go on becoming less scientific. In a day of increased specialization, of renewed interest in philology and in history, of more rigorous scientific method, let the Church go on abandoning her Bible to her enemies. They will study it scientifically, rest assured, if the Church does not. Let her substitute sociology altogether for Hebrew, practical expertness for the proof of her gospel. Let her shorten the preparation of her ministry, let her permit it to be interrupted yet more and more by premature practical activity. By doing so she will win a straggler here and there. But her winnings will be but temporary. The great current of modern culture will sooner or later engulf her puny eddy. God will save her somehow—out of the depths. But the labor of centuries will have been swept away. God grant that the Church may not resign herself to that."

 

[Jamsie]

This too was written in 1913, true then and perhaps more so today:

"False ideas are the greatest obstacles to the reception of the gospel. We may preach with all of the fervor of a reformer and yet succeed only winning a straggler here and there, if we permit the whole collective thought of the nation or of the world to be controlled by ideas which, by the restless force of logic, prevent Christianity from being regarded as anything more than a harmless delusion. Under such circumstances, what God desires us to do is to destroy the obstacle at its root. J. Gresham Machen

 

[Kenny'sID]

Excellent!

I see.

I suppose that's one way out of not being able to stand behind your comments.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Then He can also control how time passes and the age of the earth can be whatever people want to think it is becasue all past events are Faith based at their core.

Mmmm...oookay

 

[SkyWriting]

I see.

I suppose that's one way out of not being able to stand behind your comments.

I always stand behind my comments. Persuading others is not one of my immediate goals.

 

[SkyWriting]

Indeed, though how many have degrees in the hard sciences or enough reading to tell good science from imagination?

Good science is lots of imagination.

 

[Halbhh]

Good science is lots of imagination.

Certainly needed to come up with new hypothesis and techniques. Then in good science the hypothesis the imagination came up with is rigorously tested. Most fail, and some don't. Fun stuff. Sorta a little like goals in soccer.

 

[Danielwright2311]

If we were told that the story of the three little pigs were truth and you had to believe it as is and that studying for further meaning excludes one from being a TLP believer.....Would this not hinder you from learning the powerful, life altering meanings and messages of the story?

The whole world knows the story of the three little pigs but no one worships or even believes in in the pigs as Gods or a God.

The same goes for all of any old book or story.

The world knows them as just fairy tails.

But most of the world knows for a fact that the Bible is and was written as real factual story's.

Why?

Common sense.

 

[RaymondG]

The whole world knows the story of the three little pigs but no one worships or even believes in in the pigs as Gods or a God.

The same goes for all of any old book or story.

The world knows them as just fairy tails.

But most of the world knows for a fact that the Bible is and was written as real factual story's.

Why?

Common sense.

Yes, and because we dont focus on the reality of the pigs...we focus on the moral the story brings and what we must do to not have our houses blown away.

But with the bible....It is only history to most. and we go no further than that......when it is the going further that will save us.

By all means, believe the history and Call Him Lord Lord.....but also learn the meaning and do what He says...

 

[Kenny'sID]

I always stand behind my comments. Persuading others is not one of my immediate goals.

Yet you are here trying to persuade, but when called on something, you aren't trying to persuade? I think the comment you replied to covers this situation just fine.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yet you are here trying to persuade, but when called on something, you aren't trying to persuade? I think the comment you replied to covers this situation just fine.

I'm just letting people know that my conclusions are well founded. It might be decades before they notice what scripture is saying that led me to those conclusions. I just want them to know they aren't alone in their conclusions. I approach evangelism the same as the writers of scientific paper writers do. "These" are my conclusions based on "these" writings I find in scripture.

I went searching for passages suggesting that creation was a sudden event while I was a Young Earth Creationist. I attended YE seminars, went to Ken Ham rally, and spoke with a Creationist astronaut. I asked him about the depth of the dust on the moon and if the moon was over a hundred thousand years old, and he very compassionately told me it was.

I don't know if others will do the same kind of research and interviews that I did, but if they come to a similar understanding on an old earth, maybe they'll remember that other Bible Believing Christians are on their side when they do.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/everlasting_mountains

 

[SkyWriting]

Certainly needed to come up with new hypothesis and techniques. Then in good science the hypothesis the imagination came up with is rigorously tested. Most fail, and some don't. Fun stuff. Sorta a little like goals in soccer.

You can only test future events. You can't predict past events then observe them.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I approach evangelism the same as the writers of scientific paper writers do.

I'm sure some scientists have it going on but others, the way they approach writing a scientific paper, well, lets just say that doesn't exactly instill confidence here.

God given common sense is for anyone, that and the knowledge of God is the way we should approach everything.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.


I'll take the word of God any day. I mean seriously, some of these people that lean to their own understanding actually believe evolution to be a fact...see what happends?

 

[Jamsie]

I'm sure some scientists have it going on but others, the way they approach writing a scientific paper, well, lets just say that doesn't exactly instill confidence here.

God given common sense is for anyone, that and the knowledge of God is the way we should approach everything.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

I'll take the word of God any day. I mean seriously, some of these people that lean to their own understanding actually believe evolution to be a fact...see what happends?

Yet, you yourself are leaning on your own understanding because of how you interpret Genesis. As I recall you were unable to address the questions posed to you so you just excused yourself out of the conversation. Perhaps instead of the rigid narrow view one should at the very least approach the subject with some humility.

The fact is that the fundamentalist YEC really had its beginnings in the early 20th century and much was adapted from SDA. There were many theologians and scientists who were Christian prior to, and since, that believed/believe in OEC. As noted previous, much of the YEC/Anti-evolution is totally misdirected and in no way circumvents the Bible.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yet, you yourself are leaning on your own understanding because of how you interpret Genesis.

My understanding comes directly from trusting God, taking him at his word/the bible, something some here say we cannot do, or was that another thread? There is nothing to interpret there, it's simply written. So no, I am absolutely not leaning to my own understanding but to the word of God. Not sure why you feel the need to "try" to twist that into something else?

As I recall you were unable to address the questions posed to you so you just excused yourself out of the conversation.

Please show me what I was unable to address? As well as what point I excused myself?

If I missed something I will address it, if I did not, then it's on you fro making the accusation...we shall see

The fact is that the fundamentalist YEC really had its beginnings in the early 20th century and much was adapted from SDA. There were many theologians and scientists who were Christian prior to, and since, that believed/believe in OEC. As noted previous, much of the YEC/Anti-evolution is totally misdirected and in no way circumvents the Bible.

Not relevant. I get my understanding from the bible, not men, that way there is no misdirection..