Then what is a circumstance in life? Isn't the experience of living a righteous life with the power of Christ and serving God a circumstance in life? If not why not?
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Jim Larmore
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No, I don't see how I am backing myself into a corner. Observing the Sabbath like you practice is the same as wearing tassels on your clothes to me. The Sabbath (as you practice it) is not a circumstance in the life of a new covenant believer any more than wearing tassels on your coat is.
We even have adventists who don't accept the literal account of most of the Bible at all and believe in evolution. Now that's hard for me to accept.
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Jim Larmore
I don't know if you realize it or not but when you said curse God you were speaking of an act of violation of the ten commandments. Also the act of not accepting Jesus Christ takes in idol worship as you are worshiping yourself to deny God His child and the plan of Salvation to work. You can't escape the truth dear sister no matter how you try to rationalize it.
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Jim Larmore
Then what is a circumstance in life? Isn't the experience of living a righteous life with the power of Christ and serving God a circumstance in life? If not why not?
God Bless
Jim Larmore
I see what you are saying here and I agree with you partly. I believe when we hear the Word of God the Holy Spirit works on our heart. If you are saying that God discriminates which person will receive faith and which one will not then I disagree with you.
The Bible says the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Romans 10 expresses this well I think "9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[f] 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”[g]
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“ How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,[h]
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”[i]
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?”[j] 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Faith comes when the good news of Jesus is shared. Romans 1 says "16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”"
The good news of what Jesus has done is what stirs up faith. The Holy Spirit is working through you when you preach the Gospel and working in the hearts of the listeners. So yes I agree that faith comes from God, yet man must accept this gift and respond to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
freeindeed2 said:I think we agree.
Faith is a gift given to ALL, without discrimination. Some use it to trust in Jesus Christ for their salvation, others use it to trust in themsleves. Even our response is a result of the Holy Spirit doing his work in us.
Am I incorrect to assume that most SDAs believe in thought-inspiration and not in the literal words being inspired?
Then everyone should be saved and we are no longer in possession of free wills at all. Your philsophy is in direct opposition to the truth in the Bible. The entire Bible is based on us making a choice to choose life and not death. According to you we don't even do that. This is the foundation of the apostacy of this movement of yours. I've been baptist and this is nothing more than what they believe which is once saved always saved.
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Jim Larmore
No, what I have said is not based on the old covenant, but the new covenant. See below:
We already have the victory over sin. You have a definition of sin that includes halfway keeping the Sabbath. I understand how you view the text, but from the context you cannot say that it is about law keeping especially when there are so many versus saying the law is complete/finished/fulfilled/at an end and we are no longer under the law.
No, no, no, no, no!!! Sorry for being so blunt. But the essense of the Gospel is not the example of Jesus!!!! The Gospel is what Jesus DID for us already.
If you are depending on your keeping of the law then you will fall short. Have you kept them perfectly? Have you ever been angry? Have you ever sinned?
Galatians 3 " 1O YOU poor and silly and thoughtless and unreflecting and senseless Galatians! Who has fascinated or bewitched or cast a spell over you, unto whom--right before your very eyes--Jesus Christ (the Messiah) was openly and graphically set forth and portrayed as crucified?
2Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the [Holy] Spirit as the result of obeying the Law and doing its works, or was it by hearing [the message of the Gospel] and believing [it]? [Was it from observing a law of rituals or from a message of faith?]
3Are you so foolish and so senseless and so silly? Having begun [your new life spiritually] with the [Holy] Spirit, are you now reaching perfection [by dependence] on the flesh?"
If you are depending on your actions to reach perfection you will fall short. Perfection is only attainable through accepting His perfection.
If we look at the text I think that it is a good example:
"12I know how to be abased and live humbly in straitened circumstances, and I know also how to enjoy plenty and live in abundance. I have learned in any and all circumstances the secret of facing every situation, whether well-fed or going hungry, having a sufficiency and enough to spare or going without and being in want.
13I have strength for all things in Christ Who empowers me [I am ready for anything and equal to anything through Him Who [a]infuses inner strength into me; I am [b]self-sufficient in Christ's sufficiency].
14But it was right and commendable and noble of you to contribute for my needs and to share my difficulties with me."
If we take an example from the text we see a circumstance to be Paul talking about when he was in want and when he did not have enough support.
But you can't limit these verses to that only. Look at the part's I bolded above and read what it says. You are limiting the power of Christ when you say this is only involved in want or when Paul didn't have enough support. When the apostle said I can do all things thru
Christ who strengthens me he meant all things connected to living a life for Christ which would include temptations and sin.
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Jim Larmore
Jim can you provide scripture in context for your understanding?
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would you ever put a clean coat over your filthy body and your filthy clothes? No. Unless you only want to appear righteous.
Study the Old Testament, Aaron and his sons first had to take off their own garments and bathed in their bodies thoroughly before they could put on a clean, white garment before they went in the sanctuary to meet the Lord.
I understand what you are saying. You, however, asked for an example and I thought the actual text gave a good example.
Sophia7 said:The same God who clothes us with a robe of righteousness makes us holy. We can't cleanse ourselves in order to receive salvation, and we can't make ourselves holy by doing good works. We are sanctified by the grace of God and by the power of the Holy Spirit living in us. Both justification and sanctification are works of God, not of us.
Were were created in Christ to do good works, but they don't save us, and they don't make us holy:2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Nobody said our salvation depends on your works of keeping the law. Can you find where any of us said such thing? I think not.
The reason Jesus incarnated in a human form is because even that He suffers all our infirmities and was tempted in all ways, He committed no sin, leaving us an example.
Example means something you follow.
Of course the bible is about victory over sin. And when Jesus comes back and you are still sinning, you shall not enter into the promised city.
Did the Israelites who rebelled entered into the promised land after they had been saved by grace in Egypt? No. If you intend to do nothing, God is not going to do it for you because He's not unjust while letting others perish.
The majority of christianity teaches this cheap grace, that Jesus did it all for me, so I don't have to do anything. I don't have to keep the law, really it's the sabbath they are having problems with.
By saying it's impossible to keep the law, you are saying the devil who wants you to break the law is stronger than Jesus who asks you to keep the law.
Every commandment in the ten were either repeated or confirmed in the new covenant including the Sabbath. The new covenant is not a new set of laws or commandments. The new covenant actually makes the observance more strict and places the laws of God in our hearts where they belong, not on just tables of stone. So when you say curse God it is breaking the ten commandments.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
The same God who clothes us with a robe of righteousness makes us holy. We can't cleanse ourselves in order to receive salvation, and we can't make ourselves holy by doing good works. We are sanctified by the grace of God and by the power of the Holy Spirit living in us. Both justification and sanctification are works of God, not of us.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
Were were created in Christ to do good works, but they don't save us, and they don't make us holy:
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
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