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We all deserve hell because., like Adam and Eve we do not obey the Words of the Lord God of the Holy Bible, and reject all that He says. We are ALL sinners and guilty before the Holy God of the Bible. All sin must be punished, either in Jesus Christ, which He did on the cross, and available to all who will truly repent, and turn to Jesus as their Saviour and Lord; or those who reject what the Lord says, will be punished in eternal hell. This is God's Justice and not open to discussion with Him.
I'm talking about without Jesus dying on the cross we would all get hell.
NO. Jesus body did not return to the elements. Check scripture! Jesus body rose from the grave and walked around for 40 days. When Mary and the rest went to the tomb, their was no body. No dust. Just grave clothes laying on the floor. Doubting Thomas actually touched Jesus body (after resurrection!!) and Jesus assured Thomas, "It is me!"You won't find the body of Jesus, it returned to the elements and he returned to his rightful place on high.
Did God make Adam imperfect?
Define "perfect".
The, arguably, ancient position we see among the fathers is something along the lines that Adam and Eve were created "imperfect", that is with room to grow and mature. St. Irenaeus in a sense saw the Fall as a kind of adolescent rebellion. Jesus Christ is the mature man into which Adam was to mature to become--that is, in Jesus we see what being human is supposed to be--the Fall did not stop God's purpose, and maturity is found in Christ; and we shall reach the full measure in the resurrection as we become like Him, being glorified on the last day, consider Irenaeus' statement, "He became what we are that we might become what He is."
Though usually "perfect" is meant to indicate a moral perfection, that is without a moral defect; to that end the story says Adam and Eve did not know evil until they fell, they were therefore entirely innocent. So we could say they were "perfect" in that sense.
All creation was perfect in the sense that all creation was created "exceedingly good"; but not in the sense that there was no room for growth, maturity, or potential.
-CryptoLutheran
How could the forbidden fruit be taken without a sin nature? Especially if Eve didn't believe the devil
WellYou won't find the body of Jesus, it returned to the elements and he returned to his rightful place on high.
ONE TESTIMONYGod was quite fond of calling Ezekiel the son of man.
They had no foreknowledgeHow could the forbidden fruit be taken without a sin nature? Especially if Eve didn't believe the devil
The first Adam had the spirit within, but did not have The Word...Jesus, the Last Adam...HE had both...and if we receive The Word and obey it by The Spirit...we can become a new creation...a son/daughter of which Jesus was the firstborn...Excellent question. Or at least it's a very valid point to address how an act of disobedience arises apart from the sinful compulsion, or indeed if it even can.
-CryptoLutheran
The first Adam had the spirit within, but did not have The Word...Jesus, the Last Adam...HE had both...and if we receive The Word and obey it by The Spirit...we can become a new creation...a son/daughter of which Jesus was the firstborn...
Define "perfect".
The, arguably, ancient position we see among the fathers is something along the lines that Adam and Eve were created "imperfect", that is with room to grow and mature. St. Irenaeus in a sense saw the Fall as a kind of adolescent rebellion. Jesus Christ is the mature man into which Adam was to mature to become--that is, in Jesus we see what being human is supposed to be--the Fall did not stop God's purpose, and maturity is found in Christ; and we shall reach the full measure in the resurrection as we become like Him, being glorified on the last day, consider Irenaeus' statement, "He became what we are that we might become what He is."
Though usually "perfect" is meant to indicate a moral perfection, that is without a moral defect; to that end the story says Adam and Eve did not know evil until they fell, they were therefore entirely innocent. So we could say they were "perfect" in that sense.
All creation was perfect in the sense that all creation was created "exceedingly good"; but not in the sense that there was no room for growth, maturity, or potential.
-CryptoLutheran
They had no foreknowledge of anything but good
It was after they listened to the wrong voice that their eyes were opened
Before that they only knew good
Yes...externally he had God...but not on his inward parts. What is it that we must receive to make us good on the inward parts...?He didn't have the Word!! God walked with him in the garden!!!
GOD breathed into Adam and he became a living soulThe first Adam had the spirit within, but did not have The Word...Jesus, the Last Adam...HE had both...and if we receive The Word and obey it by The Spirit...we can become a new creation...a son/daughter of which Jesus was the firstborn...
GOD breathed into Adam and he became a living soul
Adam was not born of THE SPIRIT
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