Adam ?

[miknik5]

A birthright cannot be purchased, which sent Jacob on a journey back to where he came from, a land that bears the name of a son that is cursed; and there was peace between Esau and Jacob after the death of their father ... a pattern.

Please
Jacob received the true birthright because he did not sell (like his brother Esau did) what he should not have sold for temporal treasures that do not last

 

[Aseyesee]

By the cross HE willingly laid down his life for the sins of those who would believe in HIM

To Jesus, the son of man was the son of God.

 

[miknik5]

So a priest means a mediator?

Yes for those who believe in HIS SACRIFICE as sufficient in the sight of GOD

 

[miknik5]

Aseyesee,

Please reconsider your stance

Jacob did not settle with his brother, Esau

In fact, Jacob sent Esau on his way and told him he would catch up

He didn't
Jacob did not join his family and flock with his brother Esau

 

[CrystalDragon]

When God defines something as good, it is without flaw, i.e. perfect. If something had any flaw, it would not be good, i.e. imperfect.

If you had a glass of pure water with absolutely no contaminates in it, and if you were thirsty, you would drink it because it is good to quench your thirst. If one drop of cyanide was placed in the glass, would you drink it? If you are rational you would say no, since you know that water is no longer "good" because it has been contaminated with poison.

You picked a very bad analogy there. You should look into what the actual consequences of drinking pure water with absolutely no contaminates is.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

Very interesting question, indeed. Not that I have a definite answer, but here are my observations according to scripture.

The first Adam was created from the dust of the earth, the dirt realm. He was created, not sent down from heaven. God put HIS spirit in Adam, but His word was not in HIM, but His word spoke Adam into being. Before calling the dust of the earth to form Adam, God created light and "called it Day." Capital "D". The same for the darkness, "calling it Night." Again, capital "N". So light and darkness were not in Adam, but Adam placed into that environment. Also, interesting to note that on the 1st day (small 'd') He made Day (light) and Night (darkness), there were no sun, moon or stars until the 4th day. I think that is significant.

Adam was created and placed in Day and Night. Seems Adam only saw Day (light) of the world, and not the Night (darkness). Adam was created in the likeness and image of God, but Adam was not God. God is from the heavenly realms. Adam from the dirt realm. He was given a command and the freedom of choice on whether to obey God and stay in the Day [light]...or disobey and enter into the Night [darkness].

Adam was given dominion over all things on earth...as long as HE walked in the Day. Upon the temptation and fall because of eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, he lost the right to the Tree of LIFE. Adam was king of the world and all the goodness (Day/light) thereof. The Night/darkness realm of evil, he was oblivious or blind to it. Then he disobeyed God and all the glory and beauty Adam was given to behold was turned into darkness (Night) and that LIFE was taken away...that TREE locked off and guarded by the Cherubim. Hidden in darkness. No longer in the light of Day.

The first Adam was imperfect. He could not or would not obey God. His 'self' coveted and wanted to be all that God was or possessed. But Adam was not God.

Jesus Christ came, The Word of God come in the flesh. The very word that spoke the first Adam into being. God's Word was on the INSIDE of this son of God...sent down from heaven. The first Adam was from the earth...just flesh...no WORD on the inside of him. The Spirit of God caused the birth of the 2nd Adam. The first Adam was already created before God breathed the breath of life into him. Jesus Christ was born of heaven, made perfect.
1 Corinthians 15:48-49

If it wasn't for the first Adam's being imperfect, there would have been no reason for God to send Jesus Christ, HIS only BEGOTTEN son. Born of God of heaven.

 

[miknik5]

You picked a very bad analogy there. You should look into what the actual consequences of drinking pure water with absolutely no contaminates is.

You could always review Daniel's logic according to Daniel 1 to see if you understand what Daniel understood

 

[Steve Petersen]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

Was Adam a real historical individual or an archetype of modern man?

 

[Aseyesee]

Two trees are relative to spirit and soul, but only one tree is in the midst, indeed, if they were ever separate trees to begin with. For Jesus to know is linked with the life that is eternal.

 

[Aseyesee]

Was Adam a real historical individual or an archetype of modern man?

I beleieve like time adam is realtive to the indivdual.

 

[Aseyesee]

The Jews wrote and rewrote the OT books. Their history claims are vastly exaggerated, they became false prophets. Their writings shouldn't be taken too seriously.

If they found Jesus' body, and could prove through DNA it was him it wouldn't matter to me. I have entered into the gates of the city, and have found just as it was said where the kingdom of God is.

 

[Ken Rank]

When God had finished all of creation he saw that it was good.
To implie that Adam was not perfect is to say that God's judgement of creation was imperfect and that God is not capable of making a sound judgement.

If I asked you if God is perfect, would you say yes? Thinking you'll say yes, if I followed with, "Was Adam made equal to God?" I am thinking you'll say no.... so would I. I think Adam was made perfect in the sense of a lack of defilement but he was not made to be equal with God. Therefore, he had to, by definition, be made "lesser than God." @Aseyesee asks if Adam was made imperfect and I would say no... but I would also make sure it was understood that Adam was not made a god, He was not equal to God. God has no ability to sin, He is light, He is life, He is pure righteousness... but Adam had the ability to sin. Perfect... but with a caveat.

 

[miknik5]

To Jesus, the son of man was the son of God.

No sir
The title THE SON of man means first and before all sons

So that HE alone shall have the preeminence and authority over all creation all creatures al flesh

 

[Colter]

If they found Jesus' body, and could prove through DNA it was him it wouldn't matter to me. I have entered into the gates of the city, and have found just as it was said where the kingdom of God is.

You won't find the body of Jesus, it returned to the elements and he returned to his rightful place on high.

 

[Aseyesee]

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No sir
The title THE SON of man means first and before all sons

So that HE alone shall have the preeminence and authority over all creation all creatures al flesh

God was quite fond of calling Ezekiel the son of man.

 

[Colter]

If I asked you if God is perfect, would you say yes? Thinking you'll say yes, if I followed with, "Was Adam made equal to God?" I am thinking you'll say no.... so would I. I think Adam was made perfect in the sense of a lack of defilement but he was not made to be equal with God. Therefore, he had to, by definition, be made "lesser than God." @Aseyesee asks if Adam was made imperfect and I would say no... but I would also make sure it was understood that Adam was not made a god, He was not equal to God. God has no ability to sin, He is light, He is life, He is pure righteousness... but Adam had the ability to sin. Perfect... but with a caveat.

Adam and his partner Eve arrived on the evolved, previously populated, fallen earth as the worlds new rulers. They were the replacement for the fallen Prince of this world known as "the crafty beast". In their place in heaven they had never been disloyal to Gods will, they had never sinned.

After a short period of time Eve was outflanked by the suggestions of the "beast" to speed up the recovery by mating with Cains real father, a Nodite leader. That was the sin, that was strictly forbidden. That was the sin.

 

[parousia70]

Well, Adam needed food, water, air to breathe etc.

Perfection needs nothing external to sustain it.

 

[Ken Rank]

Adam and his partner Eve arrived on the evolved, previously populated, fallen earth as the worlds new rulers. They were the replacement for the fallen Prince of this world known as "the crafty beast". In their place in heaven they had never been disloyal to Gods will, they had never sinned.

After a short period of time Eve was outflanked by the suggestions of the "beast" to speed up the recovery by mating with Cains real father, a Nodite leader. That was the sin, that was strictly forbidden. That was the sin.

"Like" for tone and a brotherly response, but I am not sure I agree... which doesn't make any difference anyway. I have gone back and forth on the "previously populated" idea and just don't have an opinion at this time. I tend to lean in that direction... but I haven't studied it as much as other aspects of Scripture so it is simply something that needs to go on a list so that I do.

Blessings.
Ken

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Please
Jacob received the true birthright because he did not sell (like his brother Esau did) what he should not have sold for temporal treasures that do not last

Hmmm...when Isaac, old and blind called for Esau, did not Jacob come instead with a plan formed of deceiving his father into receiving the birthright?

Jacob had to flee town and lived a life of hiding...even his father-in-law sought his life. It was Jacob's wrestling through the darkest night with the LORD until DAY had broken. Jacob refused to let go saying "I will not let you go unless you bless me. God could have overcome Jacob with ease. But Jacob's determination caused him to endure UNTIL he received that promise of God...blessing. Darkness left, and light came.

Jacob name the place of battle Peniel, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered." And Jacob received a new name...Israel. Jacob was in the flesh. Israel the spirit...

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

No, Adam wasn't perfect. He needed oxygen, water and food to live. This is imperfection. Dependency. God is perfect. He requires nothing to exist.