Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

[mmksparbud]

"mmksparbud, post: 68505375, member: 297518"]1. You've got to be kidding!! You dismiss the language of the bible as it was written?? The Jews called for the crucifixion of Christ and that makes the Hebrew language that the bible was written in of no value??--Without that language you would have no bible!! Moses was Jewish, Jesus was a Jew, all the first disciples were Jewish--That is a remarkably bigoted, non-Christian statement, and totally foolish. Do you honestly believe that bible was written in the Kings English???

I don't dismiss the language of the Bible as it was written but I do NOT follow the Jewish Religion. Your views are the same as the Bible tells us that ancient men could NOT understand Dan 12:4 until the last days of this world. That's the man made Religion I oppose.

2. I did not quote that verse because I really have no interest in that verse as it pertains to creation week!

You don't seem to know that EVERY verse in the Bible is referring to God's complete History of His 7 Days as written in the first 34 verses of Genesis. It is referring to the events of the present 6th Day/Age, the Day of the Flood, the Day of Salvation, and the Day of Judgment.

3. No, I am not Jewish, I am Hispanic and German with a little English mixed in---if that matters. I am studying the bible and using the Jewish translation ALSO as it was the original language it was written in and that is what the translators also do--including those that did the KJV--didn't you know??

Of course I knew BUT the men who interpreted those words had NO idea what they meant, so neither do you, since you follow those ancient men's Religion/Theology.

4. The flood can prove nothing to those who do not believe in it. It is creation week, simply being the record of the work of God's creation, states that God created man, not that he evolved from apes. For those who believe in creation, that is all we need to prove it. For the evolutionists---nothing in the bible proves anything to them as they do not believe in it. Christians have been refuting evolution since its inception, except until lately when some creationists are believing that God started the evolutionary process, which is not something I believe in. We are STILL on day one of the creation week--should we jus jump ahead to day 3 now? OK by me.

No, since Today is the 6th Day. We live Today at Gen 1:27 because God (The Trinity) is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image which is in Jesus Christ. The Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years on this Planet. At that time, Jesus will change all living creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 You can read of the fulfillment of this PROPHECY in Isaiah 11:1-7 The end of the present 6th Day is FUTURE.

5-6. You keep saying that the word "dissolved" means that the world was utterly gone--no it wasn't it was destroyed by water, but did not dissolve into nothing. The ark landed on mountains that were still on this earth--you said that earth was dissolved into nothing and God created a new one---nothing of the sort is stated in the bible. Noah waited for the dry land to appear, but waited on an existing mountain top. This world will be burned up when He returns. and remade then.

False since ll Peter 3:10 tells us that the present Cosmos will be burned. I've told you before that the 3rd Heaven is the object of the Creation and the home of ALL Christians after this lost and dying world is totally destroyed in Fire. Jesus told us this:

Jhn 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in another Heaven and then burn this Heaven and remake the Earth which crucified Him? It doesn't compute and cannot be shown Scripturally but it is the ancient traditional view of some Religions. Amen?

As I said, I am not Jewish, nor do I follow the Jewish religion, which consisted of animal sacrifices--that was. done away with. I fallow the bible, and I do not follow men's idea's of what religion should be, I try very much to stick with what the bible says, which does not make one bit of sense with the things you are saying. These ideas are totally manmade, have no basis in scripture. It is taking scripture and twisting it to suit your present days ideas of how to reconcile the biblical account with evolution. That is all this is. Not the word of God, but how to twist things around to make it seem more like evolution and the word of God are one, not just following the word of God. I do not believe in evolution, it is not biblical. However, this is, so far, still a free country and you can believe anything you want. I believe in science conforming to the word of God--it is totally out of the realm of scripture to insist that the 6 day creation is still going on---It's still day one we are discussing and you bring in so much stuff that is not supported biblically that it makes no sense whatsoever and we can't even get to day 2!

Everybody knows the end of this world is by fire--and that has nothing to do with creation week! And certainly nothing to do with the flood! We were created vegetarian, that was the ideal. The ideal which we will be returned to. The eating of meat only happened after the fall. And that is what we will be again after Christ returns, and not after the 1000 years, but before. We will spend those 1000 years with God in His heavenly home, which does not include the killing and eating of any of His creation. This world will be purified, cleansed by fire and the city will be placed on this remade earth--Christ reclaiming what was His creation--nothing will rob Him if His creation--It is His and we will be changed, in the twinkling if an eye, when Christ returns for His own. This world is Christ's---nothing will take it from Him. The 1000 year reign is in the House of God, where He has it is now, waiting for us. It will descend on this earth, and when it does, it will be after the destruction of all the wicked.This is the rest of the land that was in the Jewish religion. They were to rest the land every 7th year--this was instituted by God, not man. This earth will have it's Sabbath rest for that 7th part of the age of the earth.

(Lev 25:2) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

(Lev 25:3) Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

(Lev 25:4) But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

(Lev 25:5) That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.



(Rev 22:18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

(Rev 22:19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

(Rev 22:20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

(Rev 22:21) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[Berean777]

Some teach that Adam was formed on the 6th Day but that is not Scriptural. Adam was "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually on the 6th Day at the SAME time Eve was "created" Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2 Adam could NOT have been born Spiritually until the 6th Day because Eve was NOT made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

Here is the account of the formation of Adam on the THIRD Day.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

In the day the Lord God made Adam's Earth is speaking of the 3rd Day according to Gen 1:9-10.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In order to make sure that there can be NO mistake about the Day Adam, the first Human was "formed" of the dust, read the next verses:

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow everytree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Conclusion: Adam was made the 3rd Day, the SAME Day his Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. IF you don't agree, please show us Scripturally that Adam was NOT made on the 3rd Day. I say this because many teach that Adam was NOT made until the 6th Day. Amen?

Much confusion arises when people try to chronologically provide a sequence of events when the author did not intend his writings to be taken that way.

These writings go back to the oldest cultures that used concrete form of writing that is vastly different to our abstract way of thinking and writing.

The author in genesis was more concerned of function rather than abstract descriptions of objects and events. For example the author doesn't tell us what Adam or Eve looked like, nor does he say what the Garden looked like. He doesn't even mentioned what names Adam gave to the animals.

The concrete language is constructed like a shopping list without any focus on sequence or chronology. The days themselves describe a function of time and not an event in time as such. What I mean is that the author presents the functions of the object like Adam within the 3rd and 6th days and so even Eve being a function of Adam on the sixth day implies that she came later after Adam and her fucntion was from one half of Adam implying that she carried half the genes of Adam. Women have X genes and men have X and Y genes and therefore the author is saying God created Adam and out of Adam he created a women. The rib being the word to construct genetically from Adam's genes and that is why he was put to sleep for this procedure to be done.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well. it's pretty difficult to get away from evening and morning --and from day one and day 2 and so on. You have to do some heavy calisthenics to twist that around to mean anything else. Some have tried to insist that each day was 1000 years--which means each morning and each evening lasted 500 years?--which means that there was no sunlight for those plants and animals for over 500 years--don't think so. One day--ok--but 500 years of night?

 

[Aman777]

1. As I said, I am not Jewish, nor do I follow the Jewish religion, which consisted of animal sacrifices--that was. done away with. I fallow the bible, and I do not follow men's idea's of what religion should be, I try very much to stick with what the bible says, which does not make one bit of sense with the things you are saying.

2. These ideas are totally manmade, have no basis in scripture. It is taking scripture and twisting it to suit your present days ideas of how to reconcile the biblical account with evolution. That is all this is. Not the word of God, but how to twist things around to make it seem more like evolution and the word of God are one, not just following the word of God. I do not believe in evolution, it is not biblical. However, this is, so far, still a free country and you can believe anything you want. I believe in science conforming to the word of God--it is totally out of the realm of scripture to insist that the 6 day creation is still going on---It's still day one we are discussing and you bring in so much stuff that is not supported biblically that it makes no sense whatsoever and we can't even get to day 2!

3. Everybody knows the end of this world is by fire--and that has nothing to do with creation week! And certainly nothing to do with the flood! We were created vegetarian, that was the ideal. The ideal which we will be returned to. The eating of meat only happened after the fall. And that is what we will be again after Christ returns, and not after the 1000 years, but before. We will spend those 1000 years with God in His heavenly home, which does not include the killing and eating of any of His creation. This world will be purified, cleansed by fire and the city will be placed on this remade earth--Christ reclaiming what was His creation--nothing will rob Him if His creation--It is His and we will be changed, in the twinkling if an eye, when Christ returns for His own. This world is Christ's---nothing will take it from Him. The 1000 year reign is in the House of God, where He has it is now, waiting for us. It will descend on this earth, and when it does, it will be after the destruction of all the wicked.This is the rest of the land that was in the Jewish religion. They were to rest the land every 7th year--this was instituted by God, not man. This earth will have it's Sabbath rest for that 7th part of the age of the earth.

(Lev 25:2) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

(Lev 25:3) Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

(Lev 25:4) But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

(Lev 25:5) That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.



(Rev 22:18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

(Rev 22:19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

(Rev 22:20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

(Rev 22:21) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I'm sorry if Scripture does not agree with your religion's view. I sense a growing anger on your part even when I post Scripture to support my views.

1. My position is that you follow the SDA view and there is NOTHING wrong with that, but my position is based on what is actually written.

2. False, since I bold supporting Scripture for my views and you don't reply to what is actually written in the Bible, but instead, imply that I'm twisting Scripture. IF you don't understand some of my supporting Scripture, please tell me and I will go over my view in detail. ie. The Fact that Adam was made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7

3. IF you don't think this is the end of the present 6th Day, then tell us WHEN all living creatures were vegetarians on Planet Earth. You cannot support such a view Scripturally, since Isaiah tells us of the fulfillment of the PROPHECY of Gen. 1:30. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Much confusion arises when people try to chronologically provide a sequence of events when the author did not intend his writings to be taken that way.

These writings go back to the oldest cultures that used concrete form of writing that is vastly different to our abstract way of thinking and writing.

The author in genesis was more concerned of function rather than abstract descriptions of objects and events. For example the author doesn't tell us what Adam or Eve looked like, nor does he say what the Garden looked like. He doesn't even mentioned what names Adam gave to the animals.

The concrete language is constructed like a shopping list without any focus on sequence or chronology. The days themselves describe a function of time and not an event in time as such. What I mean is that the author presents the functions of the object like Adam within the 3rd and 6th days and so even Eve being a function of Adam on the sixth day implies that she came later after Adam and her fucntion was from one half of Adam implying that she carried half the genes of Adam. Women have X genes and men have X and Y genes and therefore the author is saying God created Adam and out of Adam he created a women. The rib being the word to construct genetically from Adam's genes and that is why he was put to sleep for this procedure to be done.

UnScriptural, since God the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture.

2Ti 3:16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration (breathed) of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

How did God breathe His Truth into mortal men? From inside them.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the Holy Ghost.

Want to try to tell us the chronology of the creation week? Or should I go first?

 

[mmksparbud]

UnScriptural, since God the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture.

2Ti 3:16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration (breathed) of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

How did God breathe His Truth into mortal men? From inside them.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the Holy Ghost.

Want to try to tell us the chronology of the creation week? Or should I go first?

By all means--go for it.
And the Holy Spirit doesn't speak the exact words to say--each individual writer writes in their own style, using their words--which are cultural and time. The Holy Spirit tells them what to say--MOVED THEM-- but they use their own wording. That is how they can identify some of the writers, by their style.

 

[mmksparbud]

I'm sorry if Scripture does not agree with your religion's view. I sense a growing anger on your part even when I post Scripture to support my views.

1. My position is that you follow the SDA view and there is NOTHING wrong with that, but my position is based on what is actually written.

2. False, since I bold supporting Scripture for my views and you don't reply to what is actually written in the Bible, but instead, imply that I'm twisting Scripture. IF you don't understand some of my supporting Scripture, please tell me and I will go over my view in detail. ie. The Fact that Adam was made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7

3. IF you don't think this is the end of the present 6th Day, then tell us WHEN all living creatures were vegetarians on Planet Earth. You cannot support such a view Scripturally, since Isaiah tells us of the fulfillment of the PROPHECY of Gen. 1:30. God Bless you

First it is the Jewish religion you accused me if following! I am SDA--I follow scripture--which I also post in support of my views. I do not speak for my church--only myself. You do not sense any anger growing in me--that is simply not in the slightest true. Your views do not anger me---far from it. It says you are Baptist---is this the views of the Baptists, or just your own?? I've not encountered a Baptist with this view before.

I have replied to all your posts, and have quoted scripture in support of my views.

(Gen 1:9) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
(Gen 1:10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:11) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
(Gen 1:12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:13) And the evening and the morning were the third day.


(Gen 2:4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

(Gen 2:5) And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

(Gen 2:6) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


It is quite obvious that Gen 1 has the daily account of creation week. Gen 2 is simply going back to give more detail on the creation of man--its not a daily accounting as in Gen 1. One must remember that the Hebrew had no chapter and verse designation. (Gen 2:4) " These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"----that is what went right after the Gen account and is simply referring to what has been already written. Then it goes into more detail --- that is all.

I have already stated that we were created vegetarians--including the animals

(Gen 2:16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(Gen 1:29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

(Gen 1:30) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

 

[Aman777]

By all means--go for it.
And the Holy Spirit doesn't speak the exact words to say--each individual writer writes in their own style, using their words--which are cultural and time. The Holy Spirit tells them what to say--MOVED THEM-- but they use their own wording. That is how they can identify some of the writers, by their style.

Then WHY haven't they understood the first 34 verses of Scripture? Why do most scholars THINK that mortal men wrote Genesis? IF they understood Genesis 1, they would understand that it is the ENTIRE History of the 6 Creative Days of God.

 

[Aman777]

1. First it is the Jewish religion you accused me if following! I am SDA--I follow scripture--which I also post in support of my views. I do not speak for my church--only myself. You do not sense any anger growing in me--that is simply not in the slightest true. Your views do not anger me---far from it. It says you are Baptist---is this the views of the Baptists, or just your own?? I've not encountered a Baptist with this view before.

I'm a Baptist because Baptists teach that one is saved by believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, by Faith, a free Gift of God. Most of them have never heard of me since I limit my views of the creation, to online. When one is in a Baptist Church you will hear Baptist teaching and when one is in an SDA Church, you hear SDA teaching. My views would do nothing but cause problems with either group.

mm:>>I have replied to all your posts, and have quoted scripture in support of my views.

Sure you have but in blocks like below. In order to understand your views, you must tell us what you THINK the verses are saying. like I have below:

(Gen 1:9) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

God is telling us that water was under the first heaven which He could put into the firmament or boundary of Adam's world, which protected it from the water which totally surrounded his world.

(Gen 1:10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

The dry ground, which in the beginning was empty now contained the first solid Earth. Notice the Capitalization. It's Adam's Earth. The gathering of the water to place inside the firmament made a Roaring sound, so God named the water which He put inside Adam's firmament, Seas, which in Hebrew means a Roaring. The firmament now contained water with dry ground on top and heaven or air in the top of the firmament.

The following are some details of this 3rd Day, when God made the Seas and the Earth of Adam's world.

(Gen 2:4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Sure, we just read it. It was on the 3rd Day when Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10

(Gen 2:5) And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. (Gen 2:6) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Amen. The plants and herbs grew, along with the trees, on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 The above verse is speaking of a time after Adam's Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew, which was also on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Adam, the first Human was made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day his Earth was made. IF you don't agree, then read the next verses of Gen 2:8-9 which clearly show that the TREES, which also grew on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12 were made AFTER Adam was made to go in the Garden where the Lord put Adam.
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(Gen 1:11) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after His kind, (the Lord's kind) whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
(Gen 1:12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:13) And the evening and the morning were the third day.

See? It the same story in Gen 1:9-13 as it is in Gen 2:4-9 since BOTH are speaking of the 3rd Day.



mm:>>It is quite obvious that Gen 1 has the daily account of creation week. Gen 2 is simply going back to give more detail on the creation of man--its not a daily accounting as in Gen 1. One must remember that the Hebrew had no chapter and verse designation. (Gen 2:4) " These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"----that is what went right after the Gen account and is simply referring to what has been already written. Then it goes into more detail --- that is all.

I have already stated that we were created vegetarians--including the animals

(Gen 2:16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

The above was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:15-17

(Gen 1:29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.(Gen 1:30) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

The above verse is speaking of a FUTURE event at the end of the present 6th Day.

Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy since there has never been at time in the History of man when man has been given dominion or rule over every living creature, including viruses, mosquitoes and Sharks and a lot of other creatures. These events will NOT take place until Jesus returns and gives us dominion of all other creature and changes all creatures into vegetarians. Isaiah 11:1-7 tells us all about these events which will take place AFTER Jesus returns. Amen?

 

[mmksparbud]

Then WHY haven't they understood the first 34 verses of Scripture? Why do most scholars THINK that mortal men wrote Genesis? IF they understood Genesis 1, they would understand that it is the ENTIRE History of the 6 Creative Days of God.

It is understood as far as it is humanly possible, with the Holy Spirit to lead us as far as it wants us to go. But people do come u with their own ideas. And there must be a distinction made about those believes. There are issues that are of a saving matter--without that awareness, we will be lost. Somethings are not. I do not know that knowing the exact details of creation week is of a saving nature except where those ideas would mat the character of God, or lead to rejection of the Godhead. The bible says Christ is our salvation, not knowing all the details of creation week. However, all scripture is to be read and taken to heart and obeying the will of God. The rest of this things, like this discussion, is interesting for the sake of acquiring knowledge, but not of a saving matter--as far as I can see. Just because people disagree on the interpretations of some things, does not mean that they will be lost. The interpretation you are giving this chapter does not make sense scripturally to me--it obviously does to some people--for most, it is not a theory that can be believed. Creation lasted 6 literal days, we were crested vegetarians, the order of Genesis 1is the order God created this world in those days. It is what the bible says. Evening, morning, day one, day 2 , day 3 and it plainly states what was done on each of those days. But you can believe what you want

 

[Aman777]

It is understood as far as it is humanly possible, with the Holy Spirit to lead us as far as it wants us to go. But people do come u with their own ideas. And there must be a distinction made about those believes. There are issues that are of a saving matter--without that awareness, we will be lost. Somethings are not. I do not know that knowing the exact details of creation week is of a saving nature except where those ideas would mat the character of God, or lead to rejection of the Godhead. The bible says Christ is our salvation, not knowing all the details of creation week. However, all scripture is to be read and taken to heart and obeying the will of God. The rest of this things, like this discussion, is interesting for the sake of acquiring knowledge, but not of a saving matter--as far as I can see. Just because people disagree on the interpretations of some things, does not mean that they will be lost. The interpretation you are giving this chapter does not make sense scripturally to me--it obviously does to some people--for most, it is not a theory that can be believed. Creation lasted 6 literal days, we were crested vegetarians, the order of Genesis 1is the order God created this world in those days. It is what the bible says. Evening, morning, day one, day 2 , day 3 and it plainly states what was done on each of those days. But you can believe what you want

I will and that's the point. Just because you don't understand my view does NOT mean that we are not both Christians. The Body of Christ, the Church, has many parts and each of us plays a different role. The important part is that we all believe in Jesus to save us and take us home to heaven. God Bless you

 

[mmksparbud]

1. First it is the Jewish religion you accused me if following! I am SDA--I follow scripture--which I also post in support of my views. I do not speak for my church--only myself. You do not sense any anger growing in me--that is simply not in the slightest true. Your views do not anger me---far from it. It says you are Baptist---is this the views of the Baptists, or just your own?? I've not encountered a Baptist with this view before.

I'm a Baptist because Baptists teach that one is saved by believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, by Faith, a free Gift of God. Most of them have never heard of me since I limit my views of the creation, to online. When one is in a Baptist Church you will hear Baptist teaching and when one is in an SDA Church, you hear SDA teaching. My views would do nothing but cause problems with either group.

mm:>>I have replied to all your posts, and have quoted scripture in support of my views.

Sure you have but in blocks like below. In order to understand your views, you must tell us what you THINK the verses are saying. like I have below:

(Gen 1:9) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

God is telling us that water was under the first heaven which He could put into the firmament or boundary of Adam's world, which protected it from the water which totally surrounded his world.

(Gen 1:10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

The dry ground, which in the beginning was empty now contained the first solid Earth. Notice the Capitalization. It's Adam's Earth. The gathering of the water to place inside the firmament made a Roaring sound, so God named the water which He put inside Adam's firmament, Seas, which in Hebrew means a Roaring. The firmament now contained water with dry ground on top and heaven or air in the top of the firmament.

The following are some details of this 3rd Day, when God made the Seas and the Earth of Adam's world.

(Gen 2:4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Sure, we just read it. It was on the 3rd Day when Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10

(Gen 2:5) And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. (Gen 2:6) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Amen. The plants and herbs grew, along with the trees, on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 The above verse is speaking of a time after Adam's Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew, which was also on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Adam, the first Human was made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day his Earth was made. IF you don't agree, then read the next verses of Gen 2:8-9 which clearly show that the TREES, which also grew on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12 were made AFTER Adam was made to go in the Garden where the Lord put Adam.
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(Gen 1:11) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after His kind, (the Lord's kind) whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
(Gen 1:12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:13) And the evening and the morning were the third day.

See? It the same story in Gen 1:9-13 as it is in Gen 2:4-9 since BOTH are speaking of the 3rd Day.



mm:>>It is quite obvious that Gen 1 has the daily account of creation week. Gen 2 is simply going back to give more detail on the creation of man--its not a daily accounting as in Gen 1. One must remember that the Hebrew had no chapter and verse designation. (Gen 2:4) " These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"----that is what went right after the Gen account and is simply referring to what has been already written. Then it goes into more detail --- that is all.

I have already stated that we were created vegetarians--including the animals

(Gen 2:16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

The above was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:15-17

(Gen 1:29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.(Gen 1:30) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

The above verse is speaking of a FUTURE event at the end of the present 6th Day.

Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy since there has never been at time in the History of man when man has been given dominion or rule over every living creature, including viruses, mosquitoes and Sharks and a lot of other creatures. These events will NOT take place until Jesus returns and gives us dominion of all other creature and changes all creatures into vegetarians. Isaiah 11:1-7 tells us all about these events which will take place AFTER Jesus returns. Amen?

We were given dominion over the earth when it was created--this chapter, from the very first, sates this is an account of how the earth was created. Gen 1:29is what God gave those created beings to eat--nothing more. Adam was given the earth and everything in it to take care of

(Gen 1:28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
(Gen 2:15) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

And yes--we've had dominion over the animals and over the vegetation---hence--we have wiped out certain species, have come close to wiping out others, we are getting closer to wiping out more of them, there is a long list of endangered species.
We have controlled the very structure of plants and developed no end of different varieties, and are now close to being able to starve the whole world what with Monsanto having taken control of the seed for certain crops and making them so that formers no longer carry their own seeds over from harvest to plant the next crop, they have to get more seed from them.
We have even gotten close to wiping out the sea animals--and we certainly have ended u polluting everything --from the earth to the sea to even the skies above and including space where we now have junk up there that periodically falls down to earth. Yah--we took dominion alright, and it's to the point that we now have the power to wipe out all life on this planet--which, of course, God will not allow. That's His job!
And of course, when Christ returns we will be changed---physically we will no longer be the same, and that includes these animals, there will be no longer any death, we return to vegetarians.

When I quote a scripture it is to support a statement I've already made. Sometimes it seems that you do not read what I've said as you then repeat what I had already quoted scripture to refute your statement. I already stated that Gen 2 is not the daily account of creation week, that was established in Gen 1--Gen 2 then goes into more details of some things of creation--it does not renumber the events differently than Gen 1--just fills out what was already stated, which is a common way for the scriptures to say things.

 

[Aman777]

mm:>>We were given dominion over the earth when it was created--this chapter, from the very first, sates this is an account of how the earth was created. Gen 1:29 is what God gave those created beings to eat--nothing more. Adam was given the earth and everything in it to take care of

UnScriptural as the following Scripture you posted shows:

(Gen 1:28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion (Rule) over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God told Adam/Eve (mankind) this and it comes AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet since it's PROPHECY. Adam was in a fallen condition when He and Eve were "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 He wasn't given dominion over viruses, nor mosquitoes, nor Sharks or Polar Bears when he was born again spiritually. Was he? Human dominion of all creatures is Future. Today, God is STILL filling Heaven with born again Spirit filled Christians. Gen 1:27

(Gen 2:15) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

This was on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the first Earth was made. Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 It has nothing to do with the 6th Day when Adam was born again Spiritually.

mm: And yes--we've had dominion over the animals and over the vegetation---hence--we have wiped out certain species, have come close to wiping out others, we are getting closer to wiping out more of them, there is a long list of endangered species.
We have controlled the very structure of plants and developed no end of different varieties, and are now close to being able to starve the whole world what with Monsanto having taken control of the seed for certain crops and making them so that formers no longer carry their own seeds over from harvest to plant the next crop, they have to get more seed from them.
We have even gotten close to wiping out the sea animals--and we certainly have ended u polluting everything --from the earth to the sea to even the skies above and including space where we now have junk up there that periodically falls down to earth. Yah--we took dominion alright, and it's to the point that we now have the power to wipe out all life on this planet--which, of course, God will not allow. That's His job!

IF Jesus hesitates NO flesh will be saved according to Mat 24:22. Then He will give us dominion over viruses, mosquitoes and EVERY other living creature as Gen 1:28-30 clearly states.

mm:>>And of course, when Christ returns we will be changed---physically we will no longer be the same, and that includes these animals, there will be no longer any death, we return to vegetarians.

Amen.

mm:>>When I quote a scripture it is to support a statement I've already made. Sometimes it seems that you do not read what I've said as you then repeat what I had already quoted scripture to refute your statement. I already stated that Gen 2 is not the daily account of creation week, that was established in Gen 1--Gen 2 then goes into more details of some things of creation--it does not renumber the events differently than Gen 1--just fills out what was already stated, which is a common way for the scriptures to say things.[/QUOTE]

Amen. Beginning at Gen 2:4 through Revelation 22, EVERY verse refers BACK to one of the 7 Days of God's Creation and adds details to the OUTLINE of God's 7 Days as shown in the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis. That's God's Truth, Scripturally. God Bless you

 

[mmksparbud]

Adam and Eve were not created in a fallen condition--They fell at the tree--that is what the bible says,
(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(Rom 5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
They FELL--have to be upright to fall---
and the bible says they were given dominion--that makes it scriptural--your interpretation that it is prophetic is what is unscriptural! And they were given dominion before they were even created--while God was deciding to make man--
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

--It says on day 6 God created man---not on day 3. It is plain as day--and night. You keep combining day 3 and day 6--that is not scriptural. Day 6 is plainly stated that was when God formed man--after He had created everything else, and had everything ready for Him to tend and take care of..

 

[Aman777]

mm:>>Adam and Eve were not created in a fallen condition--They fell at the tree--that is what the bible says,
(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(Rom 5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
They FELL--have to be upright to fall---

Amen. Adam lived with Jesus for Billions of years before he disobeyed because he was made in a perfect body with a Shekinah Glory like that of Jesus. Adam lived in a body like those which Christians will have in heaven and so did Eve. Some denominations teach that death came into the world then, but Scripture shows that death came unto mankind (Heb-Adam) because he sinned.

mm:>>and the bible says they were given dominion--that makes it scriptural--your interpretation that it is prophetic is what is unscriptural! And they were given dominion before they were even created--while God was deciding to make man--
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Amen. Adam was given dominion just as the Christians of today are given dominion when Jesus returns. Adam did NOT have rule over viruses and neither do today's Christians BUT we will have dominion over EVERY living creature when Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day (period of labor). This is clear when you study the Hebrew Imperfect Tense for the words which show that God continues to give New Christians the same dominion TODAY. We live today at Gen 1:27 because God continues to "create" Adam (mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY. We will not advance to the actual, physical, dominion over ALL other creatures until Jesus returns. Isaiah 11:1-7

mm:>>--It says on day 6 God created man---not on day 3. It is plain as day--and night. You keep combining day 3 and day 6--that is not scriptural. Day 6 is plainly stated that was when God formed man--after He had created everything else, and had everything ready for Him to tend and take care of..

Amen, and the key is the word "created". Adam was "formed" by Jesus (Lord God) on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and trees...AND... Adam (mankind) was "created" by the TRINITY (God) on the present 6th Day and mankind continues to be "created" by the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Today.

Jesus formed Adam physically on the 3rd Day, but Adam fell from perfection and was cast from the Garden along with Eve. They had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and went to the land of Nod on the east of Eden. Gen 4 AFTER THIS Adam AND Eve were both "created" Spiritually and Eternally by the Trinity. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 confirms that it takes the TRINITY to "create". Notice that it was AFTER Cain killed Abel BEFORE Adam and Eve were created Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was NOT first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam was formed the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 and Eve was made from his rib on the 6th. Gen 2:22 Both were "created" Spiritually, Eternally, by the Trinity (God) at the same time AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

 

[mmksparbud]

mm:>>Adam and Eve were not created in a fallen condition--They fell at the tree--that is what the bible says,
(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(Rom 5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
They FELL--have to be upright to fall---

Amen. Adam lived with Jesus for Billions of years before he disobeyed because he was made in a perfect body with a Shekinah Glory like that of Jesus. Adam lived in a body like those which Christians will have in heaven and so did Eve. Some denominations teach that death came into the world then, but Scripture shows that death came unto mankind (Heb-Adam) because he sinned.

mm:>>and the bible says they were given dominion--that makes it scriptural--your interpretation that it is prophetic is what is unscriptural! And they were given dominion before they were even created--while God was deciding to make man--
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Amen. Adam was given dominion just as the Christians of today are given dominion when Jesus returns. Adam did NOT have rule over viruses and neither do today's Christians BUT we will have dominion over EVERY living creature when Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day (period of labor). This is clear when you study the Hebrew Imperfect Tense for the words which show that God continues to give New Christians the same dominion TODAY. We live today at Gen 1:27 because God continues to "create" Adam (mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY. We will not advance to the actual, physical, dominion over ALL other creatures until Jesus returns. Isaiah 11:1-7

mm:>>--It says on day 6 God created man---not on day 3. It is plain as day--and night. You keep combining day 3 and day 6--that is not scriptural. Day 6 is plainly stated that was when God formed man--after He had created everything else, and had everything ready for Him to tend and take care of..

Amen, and the key is the word "created". Adam was "formed" by Jesus (Lord God) on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and trees...AND... Adam (mankind) was "created" by the TRINITY (God) on the present 6th Day and mankind continues to be "created" by the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Today.

Jesus formed Adam physically on the 3rd Day, but Adam fell from perfection and was cast from the Garden along with Eve. They had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and went to the land of Nod on the east of Eden. Gen 4 AFTER THIS Adam AND Eve were both "created" Spiritually and Eternally by the Trinity. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 confirms that it takes the TRINITY to "create". Notice that it was AFTER Cain killed Abel BEFORE Adam and Eve were created Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was NOT first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam was formed the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 and Eve was made from his rib on the 6th. Gen 2:22 Both were "created" Spiritually, Eternally, by the Trinity (God) at the same time AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

There is no indication of how long Adam and Eve lived before the fall--none whatsoever. And death came when sin came. Before sin, there was no death, the world was vegetarian, also. Sin is what brought death. With the eternal life God gives the saved, we will be returned to that same pre-sin state.

Yes, we were given dominion at creation--there were no bacteria, no viruses for Adam to have dominion over. These things came after sin. There was no need for them before that. We do have dominion over bacteria and viruses---we have medicines that kill them---but this is still a sinful world so those things, along with death are still with us. They will be eliminated when Christ returns and everything is remade to it's pre-sinful condition.


The bible clearly states man was formed, created on the 6th day--no if, ands, or buts about it-- 6th day. If you wish to get all mystic about each day of creation, go right ahead. But no one has the right to change scripture and change the order in which God plainly states what He did on each of those days. He did things the way He wanted to. He created man last--after He had created everything for him to name and take care of. Not before. Gen 1 states the days and what He created on each of those days. Gen 2 goes back and fill in more details of what He did---it does not contradict what God did on those days. Adam was formed on the 6th day. God ceased His creation of the 6th day--
(Gen 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
(Gen 2:2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(Gen 2:3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Finished--over with, done. And thus He instituted the Sabbath--I see what you are trying to do--eliminate the Sabbath--That is what He did after He finished creating--the institution if the Sabbath. As was pointed out earli9er--the earth will have it's Sabbath rest--1000 years of rest while we reign with Christ in heaven until He returns to remake the earth.
God clothed Adam and Eve with animal skins after they sinned---the first animal sacrifice, which pointed to the True Lamb, Christ, which would be sacrificed for their sin. They fell, then Christ instituted what had been put in place before the fall--salvation through Christ's blood, temporarily assigned to animal sacrifice until He would come as the True Lamb--Salvation already in place for them and instituted right then and there--not after Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel were already sacrificing--that was what the argument was about--Cain did it his way, Abel did it God's way. We should not try and change what God has done in His own way and time with our own theories. On down the road, that will only lead to distortion of His truth.

 

[Aman777]

There is no indication of how long Adam and Eve lived before the fall--none whatsoever.

Sure there is. The beginning of our 2nd Cosmos/heaven was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The first stars lit up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Space Satellites confirmed in Feb/2015, this year, that it was some 550 Million years AFTER the Big Bang before the first Stars lit up. Can you explain HOW men who lived thousands of years ago knew that? Of course not since it's testable evidence of the Literal God.

Since Adam was made the SAME 3rd Day as the beginning of our world and lived until some 12-15k years ago, this means that Adam lived for Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature. It's because he was in a perfect body with a mind and body like that of YHWH/Jesus. We also have the Scriptural dating of WHEN Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually. It was on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation. Gen 5:1-2 Adam lived for 930 years AFTER he was born again Spiritually and Eternally.

mm:>>And death came when sin came. Before sin, there was no death, the world was vegetarian, also. Sin is what brought death. With the eternal life God gives the saved, we will be returned to that same pre-sin state.

You are repeating the traditional theology which is not shown Scripturally. Notice that darkness/death was upon everything God created. Gen 1:2 You are confusing death coming to Adam (mankind) with the death which is STILL upon everything apart from God Himself. It's because you MUST be in God or in Christ, to survive this world.

mm:>>Yes, we were given dominion at creation--there were no bacteria, no viruses for Adam to have dominion over. These things came after sin. There was no need for them before that. We do have dominion over bacteria and viruses---we have medicines that kill them---but this is still a sinful world so those things, along with death are still with us. They will be eliminated when Christ returns and everything is remade to it's pre-sinful condition.

Amen, At the end of the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, Jesus will return and give us Literal dominion or Rule over every other creature and change all creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 Isa 11:1-7

The bible clearly states man was formed, created on the 6th day--no if, ands, or buts about it-- 6th day. If you wish to get all mystic about each day of creation, go right ahead. But no one has the right to change scripture and change the order in which God plainly states what He did on each of those days. He did things the way He wanted to.

False. Man was formed (Heb-squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and trees were made. Gen 2:4-9

He created man last--after He had created everything for him to name and take care of. Not before.

Amen, since God the Trinity did NOT "create" Adam (mankind) in His Image which is in Christ until the present 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

You are confusing Adam's formation physically with his and Eve creation in Christ when they were born Spiritually and Eternally. Notice this:

Lord God (Jesus) formed man of the dust. Gen 2:7
God (Elohim-the Trinity) created them because it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "create" an Eternal Being in Christ. Gen 1:16 AND John 14:16

mm:>>Gen 1 states the days and what He created on each of those days. Gen 2 goes back and fill in more details of what He did---it does not contradict what God did on those days.

False since Gen 1 is the entire History of God's 6 Days (periods of work) of Creation. Gen 2:1-3 tells us of a future 7th Day when God rests from ALL of His work of creating. IF that had been in the past, you could NOT be born again Spiritually today because the word rest means to CEASE creating and Gen 2:2-3 REPEAT that God rests from ALL of His creating on the 7th Day.

mm:>>Adam was formed on the 6th day. God ceased His creation of the 6th day--

Man (Heb-Adam) was formed on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7 God will cease creating on the 7th Day which is future to our time. Gen 2:1-3

mm:>>(Gen 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Amen. The word finished in Hebrew means brought to perfection since that is HOW God's work always ends. Notice also that ALL the host of Heaven (including the last sinner to be saved) are present in Heaven at this time.

(Gen 2:2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(Gen 2:3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

You say that this is in the past. God, the Son, came to Earth 2k years ago, and told us the exact opposite of the traditional religious view for He said:

Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Hitherto in Greek means up to the present time. Jesus is saying that the Father and He are working at the time Jesus was on the Earth. The Holy Spirit, the Son, and the Father are STILL working today to create sinners in Christ Spiritually. Amen?

mm:>>Finished--over with, done. And thus He instituted the Sabbath--I see what you are trying to do--eliminate the Sabbath--That is what He did after He finished creating--the institution if the Sabbath. As was pointed out earli9er--the earth will have it's Sabbath rest--1000 years of rest while we reign with Christ in heaven until He returns to remake the earth.
God clothed Adam and Eve with animal skins after they sinned---the first animal sacrifice, which pointed to the True Lamb, Christ, which would be sacrificed for their sin. They fell, then Christ instituted what had been put in place before the fall--salvation through Christ's blood, temporarily assigned to animal sacrifice until He would come as the True Lamb--Salvation already in place for them and instituted right then and there--not after Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel were already sacrificing--that was what the argument was about--Cain did it his way, Abel did it God's way. We should not try and change what God has done in His own way and time with our own theories. On down the road, that will only lead to distortion of His truth.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end. God Bless you

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

 

[mmksparbud]

I'm terribly sorry, but no amount of going over the same verses is going to change the fact that the bible says Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day---there is no verse that says they were created on the 3rd day--It says the 6th--period. Nothing is changing that. There was no death until Adam and Eve fell--none whatsoever. There is only one created earth, one flood on this same earth. Not one single verse to indicate anything else. What you see in a couple verses is taken out if context, and contradicts the Word of God. We can spend the next 50 years repeating your verses and me repeating mine, and will get no where. You keep repeating the 3rd day, I keep repeating the bible says the 6th day---You feel you're right and I know you are not!---so we will get nowhere. All I can say is keep praying for truth as I also do and one day---there will be nothing to discuss as God Himself will settle the issue. Thank you for your time, unless you have something new--I think we are done with this subject for now.

 

[Aman777]

I'm terribly sorry, but no amount of going over the same verses is going to change the fact that the bible says Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day---there is no verse that says they were created on the 3rd day--It says the 6th--period. Nothing is changing that. There was no death until Adam and Eve fell--none whatsoever. There is only one created earth, one flood on this same earth. Not one single verse to indicate anything else. What you see in a couple verses is taken out if context, and contradicts the Word of God. We can spend the next 50 years repeating your verses and me repeating mine, and will get no where. You keep repeating the 3rd day, I keep repeating the bible says the 6th day---You feel you're right and I know you are not!---so we will get nowhere. All I can say is keep praying for truth as I also do and one day---there will be nothing to discuss as God Himself will settle the issue. Thank you for your time, unless you have something new--I think we are done with this subject for now.

Dear mm, What you are saying is that you already have Faith in Jesus and God's Holy Word to save you from your sins and that is what is really important. It's a life giving faith and the way it's supposed to be. My view is on the edge, the fringe, and it's shocking to most people who have heard another story all of their lives. My message is aimed at today's arrogant scientists who have rejected God's Holy Word and made up their own Fantasy story of Evolutionism. We will all see soon, when Jesus returns. God Bless you sister.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Everybody knows the end of this world is by fire--and that has nothing to do with creation week! And certainly nothing to do with the flood! We were created vegetarian, that was the ideal. The ideal which we will be returned to. The eating of meat only happened after the fall. And that is what we will be again after Christ returns, and not after the 1000 years, but before.

I am on a whole food plant based diet. I am allowed some fish if it is high in Omega 3 to balance the Omega 6 oils. I am allow a small amount of low fat yogurt for the calcium. Otherwise I am not to have any milk, cheese, meat or dairy products. I can get Omega 3 from fax-seed.

A lot of the food that is a part of the modern diet people have just not evolved to be able to eat. Also they put a lot of known toxins and carcinogens in the processed foods so many people eat today.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...cinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens