Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

[Aman777]

Some teach that Adam was formed on the 6th Day but that is not Scriptural. Adam was "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually on the 6th Day at the SAME time Eve was "created" Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2 Adam could NOT have been born Spiritually until the 6th Day because Eve was NOT made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

Here is the account of the formation of Adam on the THIRD Day.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

In the day the Lord God made Adam's Earth is speaking of the 3rd Day according to Gen 1:9-10.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In order to make sure that there can be NO mistake about the Day Adam, the first Human was "formed" of the dust, read the next verses:

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow everytree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Conclusion: Adam was made the 3rd Day, the SAME Day his Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. IF you don't agree, please show us Scripturally that Adam was NOT made on the 3rd Day. I say this because many teach that Adam was NOT made until the 6th Day. Amen?

 

[random person]

Genesis 1:26-27 uses the Hebrew word "adam" which means mankind.

Both male "zakar" and female "neqebah".

 

[Aman777]

Genesis 1:26-27 uses the Hebrew word "adam" which means mankind.

Both male "zakar" and female "neqebah".

Amen. Notice also that Gen 1:27 says:

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own Image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

The first 34 verses of Genesis is the complete outline of ALL of the rest of the Bible, so here are the details of this event:

When did this event take place? I say this because Adam was cast from the Garden and had Cain and Abel, and Cain killed Abel. Gen 4 identifies Cain's descendants and then we get to Gen 5:1-2

Gen 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; Gen 5:2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, (mankind) in the day when they were created.

We know from Gen 1:27 that Adam (mankind) was created on the 6th Day. The verses above AGREE with Gen 1:27 and show that the present 6th Day continues even long AFTER Adam was cast from the Garden. The implication is that the 6th Creative Day continues since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, TODAY.

We live today at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years on Planet Earth. It's easy to see this since at that time Jesus changes ALL creatures into vegetarians as Gen 1:30 says and as Isaiah 11:1-7 confirms the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Amen. Notice also that Gen 1:27 says:

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own Image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

The first 34 verses of Genesis is the complete outline of ALL of the rest of the Bible, so here are the details of this event:

When did this event take place? I say this because Adam was cast from the Garden and had Cain and Abel, and Cain killed Abel. Gen 4 identifies Cain's descendants and then we get to Gen 5:1-2

Gen 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; Gen 5:2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, (mankind) in the day when they were created.

We know from Gen 1:27 that Adam (mankind) was created on the 6th Day. The verses above AGREE with Gen 1:27 and show that the present 6th Day continues even long AFTER Adam was cast from the Garden. The implication is that the 6th Creative Day continues since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, TODAY.

We live today at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years on Planet Earth. It's easy to see this since at that time Jesus changes ALL creatures into vegetarians as Gen 1:30 says and as Isaiah 11:1-7 confirms the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31. Amen?

The male and female in Gen 1 were told to replenish the Earth, they were hunter gathers. Adam and Eve in Gen 2 were put in the Garden of Eden to tend the garden, they were food producers. The Bible says before Adam there was no one to till the ground. If they planted seeds before Adam it was in the flood plans of the river delta in the spring. This was very fertile land because the river silt is good nourishment for the plants.

 

[Aman777]

1. The male and female in Gen 1 were told to replenish the Earth, they were hunter gathers.

2. Adam and Eve in Gen 2 were put in the Garden of Eden to tend the garden, they were food producers.

3. The Bible says before Adam there was no one to till the ground. If they planted seeds before Adam it was in the flood plans of the river delta in the spring. This was very fertile land because the river silt is good nourishment for the plants.

1. Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden to "dress it and to keep it". Gen 2:15 This was on the 3rd Day which was long BEFORE Eve was made on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 You have confused the time when Adam was made with the time when he was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually, on the 6th Day. Gen 5:1-2

2. Adam and Eve did not FARM until after the fall. Gen 3:19 The hunter gatherers of Adam's Earth were the sons of God (prehistoric people).

3. Adam was made BEFORE Gen 2:4-7 the plants, herbs and trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

 

[joshua 1 9]

1. Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden to "dress it and to keep it". Gen 2:15 This was on the 3rd Day which was long BEFORE Eve was made on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 You have confused the time when Adam was made with the time when he was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually, on the 6th Day. Gen 5:1-2

2. Adam and Eve did not FARM until after the fall. Gen 3:19 The hunter gatherers of Adam's Earth were the sons of God (prehistoric people).

3. Adam was made BEFORE Gen 2:4-7 the plants, herbs and trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

I know when Adam lived, he lived 6,000 years ago. It is very easy to do the math from Adam to Abraham.

 

[Aman777]

I know when Adam lived, he lived 6,000 years ago. It is very easy to do the math from Adam to Abraham.

Amen, but the dating of ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10-12k years ago. Gen 10:10 http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

With your dating, the Pyramids would have been completely destroyed in the Flood. Perhaps God has hidden His Truth in order to keep a plain reading from revealing His Truth of Genesis. It's the way God operates.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

How could ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher, more than 350 years ago, understand that which God hides from ancient people and can only be understood by the people of the last days? We live today in the last days as ll Peter 3:3-7 states. The Scriptural fact that the Scoffers of the last days won't believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned is the proof of their "willing ignorance".

The reason the Scoffers will NOT believe is that they have falsely assumed that the Godless Theory of Evolution is True and they have forced it upon our children for more than 50 years. The reason the ToE is so wrong is that it has REJECTED God's Truth which shows that Adam was made on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. The ToE falsely teaches that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes on Planet Earth. The entire Theory is incomplete and totally False according to God. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Amen, but the dating of ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10-12k years ago. Gen 10:10 http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

With your dating, the Pyramids would have been completely destroyed in the Flood. Perhaps God has hidden His Truth in order to keep a plain reading from revealing His Truth of Genesis. It's the way God operates.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

How could ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher, more than 350 years ago, understand that which God hides from ancient people and can only be understood by the people of the last days? We live today in the last days as ll Peter 3:3-7 states. The Scriptural fact that the Scoffers of the last days won't believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned is the proof of their "willing ignorance".

The reason the Scoffers will NOT believe is that they have falsely assumed that the Godless Theory of Evolution is True and they have forced it upon our children for more than 50 years. The reason the ToE is so wrong is that it has REJECTED God's Truth which shows that Adam was made on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. The ToE falsely teaches that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes on Planet Earth. The entire Theory is incomplete and totally False according to God and History. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Amen, but the dating of ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10-12k years ago. Gen 10:10 http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

People were living in Jerusalem a lot longer then 3,000 years ago when the temple was built. Ancient cities were camp sites long before people began to build cities at those locations. Jericho is still inhabited today and people have been there for over 11,000 years. Yet we know that the Bible does not go back before 6,000 years ago when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. When they came out of Egypt they took over cities that has been established a very long time ago. They are still fighting over that land in those cities today.

If the Bible is true then there can be no conflict with the archaeological evidence. I do not think there is a conflict. I also believe there is no problem with Bishop Usshers book because his book only covers the last 6,000 years. His book has more then stood the test of time.

With your dating, the Pyramids would have been completely destroyed in the Flood.

It is impossible that the flood was anywhere other then the Euphrates river valley in between the Tigris and the Euphrates river in what was ancient Mesopotamia. To be sure this was Noah's world. Today we would call this a bio-diverse ecology. Noah's flood did not cover the whole Biosphere. There is overwhelming evidence to establish that.

There has been a huge amount of research into how the plants and animals (farming) from the middle east have spread to Europe and from there to the rest of the world. There are many Edens in the world on land and in the ocean. There was a different Eden in Africa that like the other Edens is close to extinction if God does not move to save it. There was a Eden in China in the Yellow River area where rice and other foods that are totally different from the foods we find in the Bible. The east and west were connected by the traders on the Silk highway fairly recently. Back at the time of the Bible they did not travel very far. At the most 300 was the limit in their lifetime. Of course we know that at one time the Neanderthal were dominate in the area of the world. Then Humans came up out of Africa and took over where the Neanderthals has been.

I have studied all of this for 50 years. I would have to write a whole book to explain it all. I have studies the Botany books written by the professors at the Universities in Jerusalem. They can tell you where the Wild plants were that became domesticated there in the Middle East in the Furtile Crescent. All of the information in all of those libraries in all the universities confirm that the Bible is accurate and true.

That does not mean that our traditional interpretations are accurate and true. New information, new historic relics and artifacts can give us much better understanding than what we had before. Still Paul said: "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

We could spend 100 years to study the Bible and 100 years to study what Science shows us about the Bible and we would only be starting to understand. Generation after generation has built on the lifetime work of the people before them and we are still only starting to understand. People have devoted their whole life to study the Bible and they were only beginning to understand after spending 30 and 40 hours a week for 30, 40 and even 50 years.

People do not seem to put that much effort into the Bible now a days. Not as much at they did before all of the modern distractions came along to divert people. Yet as they say we stand on their shoulders and reap the benefit of the work they have done and build upon the legacy. Even their work fits so nice into the computer. Strongs, Vines, Smiths dictionaries and concordances become powerful on the computer. So we are able to search the Bible in ways that they were not able to do before. To get our own perspective in our generation.

The Bible becomes new and fresh for each generation. Just as the Bible is new and fresh for us today.

The Scriptural fact that the Scoffers of the last days won't believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned is the proof of their "willing ignorance".

Noah saved Adams world on the Ark. Only he saved the seeds. Seeds that you can collect and save are different from seeds that get scattered by the wind. This is the difference between cultivated domesticated plants and the plants that grow wild.

 

[Aman777]

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Amen, but the dating of ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10-12k years ago.Gen 10:10 http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Josh:>>People were living in Jerusalem a lot longer then 3,000 years ago when the temple was built. Ancient cities were camp sites long before people began to build cities at those locations. Jericho is still inhabited today and people have been there for over 11,000 years. Yet we know that the Bible does not go back before 6,000 years ago when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. When they came out of Egypt they took over cities that has been established a very long time ago. They are still fighting over that land in those cities today.

Today's science cannot tell us the difference between the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (descendants of Adam). Since Jericho was inhabited by prehistoric people and later by Humans, that OASIS cannot be dated accurately. Adam and Eve never took a single step on our Planet since they lived and died on the first world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5 The Garden of Eden was on the highest mountain, which was covered when the Flood waters reached 15 cubits (22.5 feet) deep. Gen 7:20

Josh:>>If the Bible is true then there can be no conflict with the archaeological evidence. I do not think there is a conflict. I also believe there is no problem with Bishop Usshers book because his book only covers the last 6,000 years. His book has more then stood the test of time.

It's probably because his erroneous idea was in the Margins of the KJV of Scripture from 1650 until the 1950s. Ussher's dating is False since it does NOT agree with Scripture, Science nor History.

With your dating, the Pyramids would have been completely destroyed in the Flood.

Josh:>>It is impossible that the flood was anywhere other then the Euphrates river valley in between the Tigris and the Euphrates river in what was ancient Mesopotamia. To be sure this was Noah's world. Today we would call this a bio-diverse ecology. Noah's flood did not cover the whole Biosphere. There is overwhelming evidence to establish that.

Since the Flood "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 Adam's Flat Earth, the Flood did cover his entire world. Our Planet is NOT the same as Adam's Earth because it IS covered with water but does NOT dissolve in water. Noah arrived on our Planet in Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat some 10-12k years ago and Human civilization on this Earth can be traced to the arrival of the First Human Farmers who brought Adam's superior intelligence to this Planet of the common ancestor of Apes. Noah walked from Lake Van into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human civilization on this Earth and started farming. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Josh:>>There has been a huge amount of research into how the plants and animals (farming) from the middle east have spread to Europe and from there to the rest of the world. There are many Edens in the world on land and in the ocean. There was a different Eden in Africa that like the other Edens is close to extinction if God does not move to save it. There was a Eden in China in the Yellow River area where rice and other foods that are totally different from the foods we find in the Bible. The east and west were connected by the traders on the Silk highway fairly recently. Back at the time of the Bible they did not travel very far. At the most 300 was the limit in their lifetime. Of course we know that at one time the Neanderthal were dominate in the area of the world. Then Humans came up out of Africa and took over where the Neanderthals has been.

Humans are the descendants of Adam because we have inherited Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's intelligence. Gen 3:22 There were about a Million sons of God (prehistoric people) on our Earth when the 450 ft Ark arrived in Lake Van. Humans did NOT evolve from the prehistoric people who came out of Africa. The common ancestor of ALL Humans is Adam. Adam was made long BEFORE any other living creature making it impossible that Humans could have possibly evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.

The LORD scattered Noah's descendants to the face of the whole world. Since there was no method of transportation, at the time, and farming began at about the same time all over our Earth, it was because Jesus transported Noah's Human descendants among the prehistoric people of our Earth, from Babel. Gen 11:9

Josh:>>I have studied all of this for 50 years. I would have to write a whole book to explain it all. I have studies the Botany books written by the professors at the Universities in Jerusalem. They can tell you where the Wild plants were that became domesticated there in the Middle East in the Furtile Crescent. All of the information in all of those libraries in all the universities confirm that the Bible is accurate and true.

Good. I love to discuss what is actually written with someone who has studied the subject. The "wild" plants in Northern Mesopotamia were planted by Noah and his descendants. Noah's great grandsons also built the first Human cities there and demonstrated ALL of the Human traits of today's modern Humans. Until Noah arrived there was NO farming because the sons of God did NOT have Adam's superior intelligence so they NEVER planted a single crop. Adam farmed with NO evolution.

Josh:>>That does not mean that our traditional interpretations are accurate and true. New information, new historic relics and artifacts can give us much better understanding than what we had before. Still Paul said: "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

We could spend 100 years to study the Bible and 100 years to study what Science shows us about the Bible and we would only be starting to understand. Generation after generation has built on the lifetime work of the people before them and we are still only starting to understand. People have devoted their whole life to study the Bible and they were only beginning to understand after spending 30 and 40 hours a week for 30, 40 and even 50 years.

The problem with most people is that they study the theology of ancient men who God hid His Truth from. Only the people of today have the increased knowledge necessary to find God's Truth in Genesis. Dan 12:4

Josh:>>People do not seem to put that much effort into the Bible now a days. Not as much at they did before all of the modern distractions came along to divert people. Yet as they say we stand on their shoulders and reap the benefit of the work they have done and build upon the legacy. Even their work fits so nice into the computer. Strongs, Vines, Smiths dictionaries and concordances become powerful on the computer. So we are able to search the Bible in ways that they were not able to do before. To get our own perspective in our generation.

The Bible becomes new and fresh for each generation. Just as the Bible is new and fresh for us today.

Amen, but since we are living today in the last days before Jesus returns, it's time for Christians to proclaim the Scientific Truth which ONLY God could have possibly known and told us about in Genesis more than 3k years ago. A good example is that the Big Bang of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first Stars did NOT light up until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

This is one of the recent discoveries of Hubble Space Telescope working with other Space Telescopes and they have discovered that it was some 500 Million years AFTER the Big Bang until the first Stars lit up. NO ancient man could have possibly got that scientifically correct so long ago. It's proof of God.

The Scriptural fact that the Scoffers of the last days won't believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned is the proof of their "willing ignorance".

Josh:>>Noah saved Adams world on the Ark. Only he saved the seeds. Seeds that you can collect and save are different from seeds that get scattered by the wind. This is the difference between cultivated domesticated plants and the plants that grow wild.

Amen. Noah's first crop was grapes. Gen 9:20 Noah was the FIRST farmer on our Planet and in the less than 1% of the time since prehistoric man diverged from Chimps, Humans have gone to the Moon and back safely, showing that Humans arrival on this Planet was SUDDEN and evolution does not do anything sudden. Amen? God Bless you

 

[joshua 1 9]

↑Amen, but the dating of ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10-12k years ago.Gen 10:10 http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Most of those cities were burned to the ground and rebuilt. So you know when the Hebrew Children came up out of Egypt and took the cities over. They had to cleanse the land of the sickness and disease. Even today we are very close to when this world and the elements are going to be cleansed by fire. Even as they mocked Noah in the days of the flood, people still mock Noah today. Jacob and his sons were in Egypt for 430 years. Abraham was a Chaldean from the ancient city of Ur. Like Moses he had a very good education in his day.

Today's science cannot tell us the difference between the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (descendants of Adam). Since Jericho was inhabited by prehistoric people and later by Humans, that OASIS cannot be dated accurately. Adam and Eve never took a single step on our Planet since they lived and died on the first world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5 The Garden of Eden was on the highest mountain, which was covered when the Flood waters reached 15 cubits (22.5 feet) deep.

There does not seem to be any artifacts left from the Garden in Eden. At least nothing that anyone has found. We have all the plants and all the animals because Noah saved them on the Ark.

Good. I love to discuss what is actually written with someone who has studied the subject. The "wild" plants in Northern Mesopotamia were planted by Noah and his descendants. Noah's great grandsons also built the first Human cities there and demonstrated ALL of the Human traits of today's modern Humans. Until Noah arrived there was NO farming because the sons of God did NOT have Adam's superior intelligence so they NEVER planted a single crop. Adam farmed with NO evolution.

You have to look at artifacts and mostly pottery and also the wheel. Before Pottery they used baskets to store their food. With Pottery the food was able to ferment making the first alcohol out of barley and grapes. There is a story in the Bible when Noah got drunk on wine. Gen 9:20 "Then Noah began farming and planted a vineyard. 21 He drank of the wine and became drunk,"

Amen, but since we are living today in the last days before Jesus returns, it's time for Christians to proclaim the Scientific Truth which ONLY God could have possibly known and told us about in Genesis more than 3k years ago. A good example is that the Big Bang of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first Stars did NOT light up until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

The key word is firmament. The work God was doing He was doing in the firmament. Plants need the light from the sun. We need plants that depend on the sun. Science tells us the earth has been here for 4.543 billion years. The sun is 4.5 billion years old. That confirms Gen where God created the Heavens and the Earth first and then He created light. All on the first day so Science follows the timeline of the Bible. The earth had to have been spinning because He created day and night on the first day. Then God takes gas namely oxygen hydrogen and makes H2O water on the second day. "12Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand, And marked off the heavens by the span, And calculated the dust of the earth by the measure, And weighed the mountains in a balance And the hills in a pair of scales?" Isa 40:12 He creates a firmament in the midst of the waters, there are three Hebrew words here to work with. If you were to go to the university I am sure you would find many hundreds of thousands of books that go into great detail about what Moses give us in 31 verses in the Bible. One word in the Bible is very very important. God gives us the Bible but He also gives us the natural evidence that we find in Nature. He keeps records for us and there are other thing that there is no record or memory of them. In Deu 32:7 Moses tells us: "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past." The word OLD here is essential to understand. Nachmanides asks why does God seperate the days of old from the generations of long past? Nachmanides is Hebrew and it was for the Hebrews that Moses first wrote Genesis. The concordance I use gives me the verses that use the original word. So we can study the word OLD and see how that word is used in the other passages in the Bible. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H05769&t=KJV This word is often translated "everlasting" or "perpetual".

This is one of the recent discoveries of Hubble Space Telescope working with other Space Telescopes and they have discovered that it was some 500 Million years AFTER the Big Bang until the first Stars lit up. NO ancient man could have possibly got that scientifically correct so long ago. It's proof of God.

They say we are made up of "star stuff". The universe is 13.8 Billion years.

"Our Sun is a second- or third-generation star. All of the rocky and metallic material we stand on, the iron in our blood, the calcium in our teeth, the carbon in our genes were produced billions of years ago in the interior of a red giant star. We are made of star-stuff." (Carl Sagan) Spelling of a name is not important. Carl Sagan is most likely a descendant of Sargon king of Assyria that we read about in the Bible.

The Scriptural fact that the Scoffers of the last days won't believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned is the proof of their "willing ignorance".

They may change their tune as they see the day approaching. Today Isis controls the Euphrates river, at least they control the dams on the river so they control the flow of the water. There are reports that they have already started to chop people heads off. As we read in Rev 20:4 "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony". Today this is optional and not a condition of our salvation. Because we are saved by grace and not by our works. But during the tribulation period it will be a different story.

The Greek word harpazo means to be snatched up or taken out of harms way. Rev 9:18 "A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths." I think it will be a secret rapture. With a third of mankind dead the people may not realize the true church is gone. We are training our young people now to be better prepared for that day as we see it approaching. Joel talks about how God is going to raise up an end time army.

1Blow a trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, For the day of the LORD is coming; Surely it is near,2A day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness. As the dawn is spread over the mountains, So there is a great and mighty people; There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be again after it To the years of many generations. Joel 2:1

 

[Aman777]

Most of those cities were burned to the ground and rebuilt. So you know when the Hebrew Children came up out of Egypt and took the cities over. They had to cleanse the land of the sickness and disease. Even today we are very close to when this world and the elements are going to be cleansed by fire. Even as they mocked Noah in the days of the flood, people still mock Noah today. Jacob and his sons were in Egypt for 430 years. Abraham was a Chaldean from the ancient city of Ur. Like Moses he had a very good education in his day.

There does not seem to be any artifacts left from the Garden in Eden. At least nothing that anyone has found. We have all the plants and all the animals because Noah saved them on the Ark.

You have to look at artifacts and mostly pottery and also the wheel. Before Pottery they used baskets to store their food. With Pottery the food was able to ferment making the first alcohol out of barley and grapes. There is a story in the Bible when Noah got drunk on wine. Gen 9:20 "Then Noah began farming and planted a vineyard. 21 He drank of the wine and became drunk,"

The key word is firmament. The work God was doing He was doing in the firmament. Plants need the light from the sun. We need plants that depend on the sun. Science tells us the earth has been here for 4.543 billion years. The sun is 4.5 billion years old. That confirms Gen where God created the Heavens and the Earth first and then He created light. All on the first day so Science follows the timeline of the Bible. The earth had to have been spinning because He created day and night on the first day. Then God takes gas namely oxygen hydrogen and makes H2O water on the second day. "12Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand, And marked off the heavens by the span, And calculated the dust of the earth by the measure, And weighed the mountains in a balance And the hills in a pair of scales?" Isa 40:12 He creates a firmament in the midst of the waters, there are three Hebrew words here to work with. If you were to go to the university I am sure you would find many hundreds of thousands of books that go into great detail about what Moses give us in 31 verses in the Bible. One word in the Bible is very very important. God gives us the Bible but He also gives us the natural evidence that we find in Nature. He keeps records for us and there are other thing that there is no record or memory of them. In Deu 32:7 Moses tells us: "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past." The word OLD here is essential to understand. Nachmanides asks why does God seperate the days of old from the generations of long past? Nachmanides is Hebrew and it was for the Hebrews that Moses first wrote Genesis. The concordance I use gives me the verses that use the original word. So we can study the word OLD and see how that word is used in the other passages in the Bible. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H05769&t=KJV This word is often translated "everlasting" or "perpetual".

They say we are made up of "star stuff". The universe is 13.8 Billion years.

"Our Sun is a second- or third-generation star. All of the rocky and metallic material we stand on, the iron in our blood, the calcium in our teeth, the carbon in our genes were produced billions of years ago in the interior of a red giant star. We are made of star-stuff." (Carl Sagan) Spelling of a name is not important. Carl Sagan is most likely a descendant of Sargon king of Assyria that we read about in the Bible.

They may change their tune as they see the day approaching. Today Isis controls the Euphrates river, at least they control the dams on the river so they control the flow of the water. There are reports that they have already started to chop people heads off. As we read in Rev 20:4 "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony". Today this is optional and not a condition of our salvation. Because we are saved by grace and not by our works. But during the tribulation period it will be a different story.

The Greek word harpazo means to be snatched up or taken out of harms way. Rev 9:18 "A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths." I think it will be a secret rapture. With a third of mankind dead the people may not realize the true church is gone. We are training our young people now to be better prepared for that day as we see it approaching. Joel talks about how God is going to raise up an end time army.

1Blow a trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, For the day of the LORD is coming; Surely it is near,2A day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness. As the dawn is spread over the mountains, So there is a great and mighty people; There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be again after it To the years of many generations. Joel 2:1

Amen, brother. I have thought of what would happen if the Rapture was just before the Nuclear bombs started falling? God Bless you

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Amen, brother. I have thought of what would happen if the Rapture was just before the Nuclear bombs started falling? God Bless you

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

It has been a while sense they had those "Fail Safe" movies. But they use to talk about how we were one hour away from total annihilation. The Russians had a bomb ready to take out every major city in American and we had a bomb aimed at all of their major cities and in a hour of time the world could be destroyed.

http://b-r-e-n-t.com/what-would-happen-if-a-nuclear-bomb-hit-new-york-city/

 

[Aman777]

It has been a while sense they had those "Fail Safe" movies. But they use to talk about how we were one hour away from total annihilation. The Russians had a bomb ready to take out every major city in American and we had a bomb aimed at all of their major cities and in a hour of time the world could be destroyed.

http://b-r-e-n-t.com/what-would-happen-if-a-nuclear-bomb-hit-new-york-city/

Amen, I remember learning to "duck and cover" and to get under our desks in case an Atomic Bomb went off. We had no idea that IF a bomb hit in our town, we would be incinerated instantly. The people of today don't know what it's like to grow up fearing Russia, but they will probably find out.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Amen, I remember learning to "duck and cover" and to get under our desks in case an Atomic Bomb went off. We had no idea that IF a bomb hit in our town, we would be incinerated instantly. The people of today don't know what it's like to grow up fearing Russia, but they will probably find out.

I think they will see it coming in another 10 or 15 years. It is still a little early for them to see it now. Hopefully they will take warning, repent and get themselves right with God. "Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near."

 

[classicalhero]

Amen, but the dating of ancient men and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10-12k years ago. Gen 10:10 http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

With your dating, the Pyramids would have been completely destroyed in the Flood. Perhaps God has hidden His Truth in order to keep a plain reading from revealing His Truth of Genesis. It's the way God operates.

That's assuming that the Egyptian chronology is right, which some are arguing isn't. So see the need for a revision and the need for co-regents in the chronology and that will shrink down the chronology quite a bit. Considering that the source of most of Egyptian chronology was written over a thousand years after the vent, we cannot assume it is accurate. As a result of the reliance of Egyptian chronology of Biblical chronology has led to the Hittite problem where somehow there is a 500 year gap between what tradition Egyptian chronology and Assyrian/Biblical chronology. In fact for a long time the Hittites were consider as fictional because they were only found in the Bible, but yet agains the Bible has been found to be historically accurate.

Here is something on the problems with Egyptian dating. http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/worldhis/Histapp1.html

The reason why the author has gone to all this trouble is to make it clear that the view of ancient history taught in most books and classes is not "carved in stone," and much of it may be invalidated by future discoveries. We must be cautious in reading anything about ancient times for that reason, especially if we know the writer does not subscribe to a Bible-based point of view. Let it be known that alternatives exist, and parts of them make more sense than what National Geographic, Time-Life Books, etc. teach.

Here is something about the Hittite problem. http://www.ldolphin.org/alanm/hittite.html

Thus thirteenth century objects appear in seventh century locations and seventh century objects appear in thirteenth century venues. Gaps and dark ages of 500-600 years occur in both realms. This cannot be a coincidence. The problem here cannot be one of bias or incompetence or misunderstanding. The flaw must be something basic and common to both the Hittites and the Egyptians. What they have in common is a chronological system based on Egyptian dates framed by the dynastic order of Manetho, an Egyptian priest of the third century. The real problem is that the Egyptian chronological system is not synchronized with the Assyrian, Greek or Biblical system. So when they come together in the same site or venue there are anomalies. The Egyptians cannot claim that theirs is the right system and all the others false, not at least without appearing arrogant.

To fix the system the Egyptian chronology must be adjusted to agree with Greek and Assyrian chronologies. The date of Ramesses II ought to be determined from the date of Hattusilis III, which is to be based on Assyrian chronology and Greek pottery dates. Then the anomalous dating of artefacts will no longer be anomalous. The gaps and dark ages will closed and disappear. The Hittites will have their first millennium origins and Assyrian influences restored. The 26th Dynasty will gain its tombs, mummies, inscriptions and history.

Considering the fact that the Hittites have ruins in the whole region and when those dates come up against the other dates from the chronology of those place it is out of place. The problem is relying on unreliable chronology over Biblical chronology.

But getting back to the OP, never once do you see the mention of a garden in Genesis 1. It is only mentioned in Genesis 2 because it is God's special place he put man to live in. God created this garden on the 6th day because he created it for man, not on the 3rd day.

 

[mmksparbud]

Some teach that Adam was formed on the 6th Day but that is not Scriptural. Adam was "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually on the 6th Day at the SAME time Eve was "created" Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2 Adam could NOT have been born Spiritually until the 6th Day because Eve was NOT made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

Here is the account of the formation of Adam on the THIRD Day.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

In the day the Lord God made Adam's Earth is speaking of the 3rd Day according to Gen 1:9-10.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In order to make sure that there can be NO mistake about the Day Adam, the first Human was "formed" of the dust, read the next verses:

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow everytree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Conclusion: Adam was made the 3rd Day, the SAME Day his Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. IF you don't agree, please show us Scripturally that Adam was NOT made on the 3rd Day. I say this because many teach that Adam was NOT made until the 6th Day. Amen?

Well--You started a new one!--Hope this one stays on topic!! Can we go back to taking this one day at a time??

(Gen 1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

(Gen 1:2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(Gen 1:3) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

(Gen 1:4) And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

(Gen 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Nowhere is there an indication that death was anywhere---Darkness is simply the absence of light, a point in space where there was no physical light yet--such as a black hole. Not the same thing as death--nothing living had died yet. Just nothing living yet. This planet was just shapeless, empty (devoid of life) mass. Not dead--something has to be alive first to be dead.
God created light. Not sunlight, that did not come into being until later. There are different kind if light, there is the invisible light that scientists have been studying of late. That first day God created the earth, the heavens around it, it was shapeless and empty and had water, deep, and without the sunlight--dark.
there was no dirt yet--no dust. Dry land appeared later. The Spirit of God moved upon the waters.
God called the light good---no reference there to Jesus being the light that He created (as you had stated previously and thst He was separated from the darkness)--Jesus was never created.

(Joh 17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus was before the world came into existence--He and God have the light of their purity--Yes the Shekinah glory. Jesus had no need to be separated from darkness--He had no darkness in Him to be separated from.
-We know it was Jesus that created the earth as

(Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The evening and the morning were the first day---means just that--He called the dark evening and the light morning. He made distinction between the two--nothing in there about Satan(you said the night was Satan, which doesn't make sense either when you stated previously that Jesus was separated as the light from the darkness--but then you say Satan is the darkness--Jesus separated from Satan??)--you are reading into that which is not there. That is the only verse where Day and Night are capitalized, all the rest are not. It was the first emergence of both of these time periods. This is the first day---

 

[Aman777]

That's assuming that the Egyptian chronology is right, which some are arguing isn't. So see the need for a revision and the need for co-regents in the chronology and that will shrink down the chronology quite a bit. Considering that the source of most of Egyptian chronology was written over a thousand years after the vent, we cannot assume it is accurate. As a result of the reliance of Egyptian chronology of Biblical chronology has led to the Hittite problem where somehow there is a 500 year gap between what tradition Egyptian chronology and Assyrian/Biblical chronology. In fact for a long time the Hittites were consider as fictional because they were only found in the Bible, but yet agains the Bible has been found to be historically accurate.

Here is something on the problems with Egyptian dating. http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/worldhis/Histapp1.html


Here is something about the Hittite problem. http://www.ldolphin.org/alanm/hittite.html

Considering the fact that the Hittites have ruins in the whole region and when those dates come up against the other dates from the chronology of those place it is out of place. The problem is relying on unreliable chronology over Biblical chronology.

But getting back to the OP, never once do you see the mention of a garden in Genesis 1. It is only mentioned in Genesis 2 because it is God's special place he put man to live in. God created this garden on the 6th day because he created it for man, not on the 3rd day.

The first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31 Beginning at Gen 2:4 to the end of Revelation, ALL Scripture refers BACK to the events of one of God's 7 Days which consists of 6 periods of work and 1 Day of rest which has NO ending.

Gen 2:4-7 ADDS details to the events of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam was made. The details show that Adam was made, then plants, herbs and trees, which were put into the Garden of Eden, which is another detail to ADD to the outline of the events of God's 7 Days as shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis. Gen 2:8-9

It's all a part of God's way of hiding His Truth from everyone except those who have been born again Spiritually AND live in the last days of our Age. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Well--You started a new one!--Hope this one stays on topic!! Can we go back to taking this one day at a time??
(Gen 1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(Gen 1:2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
(Gen 1:3) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
(Gen 1:4) And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
(Gen 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

1. Nowhere is there an indication that death was anywhere---Darkness is simply the absence of light, a point in space where there was no physical light yet--such as a black hole. Not the same thing as death--nothing living had died yet. Just nothing living yet. This planet was just shapeless, empty (devoid of life) mass. Not dead--something has to be alive first to be dead.

2. God created light. Not sunlight, that did not come into being until later. There are different kind if light, there is the invisible light that scientists have been studying of late. That first day God created the earth, the heavens around it, it was shapeless and empty and had water, deep, and without the sunlight--dark.
there was no dirt yet--no dust. Dry land appeared later. The Spirit of God moved upon the waters.
God called the light good---no reference there to Jesus being the light that He created (as you had stated previously and thst He was separated from the darkness)--Jesus was never created.

3. (Joh 17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus was before the world came into existence--He and God have the light of their purity--Yes the Shekinah glory. Jesus had no need to be separated from darkness--He had no darkness in Him to be separated from.
-We know it was Jesus that created the earth as

(Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The evening and the morning were the first day---means just that--He called the dark evening and the light morning. He made distinction between the two--nothing in there about Satan(you said the night was Satan, which doesn't make sense either when you stated previously that Jesus was separated as the light from the darkness--but then you say Satan is the darkness--Jesus separated from Satan??)--you are reading into that which is not there. That is the only verse where Day and Night are capitalized, all the rest are not. It was the first emergence of both of these time periods. This is the first day---

1. I bolded the words you posted which agree that the creation elements, which were apart from God were NOT alive. That means they are dead or separated from the everlasting LIVING God.

2. Amen, since Jesus IS the only Image of the invisible God. Col 1:15 He came forth from within the invisible Spirit of God to defeat the darkness/death which was upon everything apart from God and make a Perfect Everlasting Heaven with people who will never die. Jesus is the Light of the world but He is also the Literal light of the first Day. IF He was not, then the following verse would be untrue:

Col 1:18 And He is the head of the Body, the Church: Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ***ALL*** things He might have the preeminence. (First Place)

Just as Jesus was the Literal light of the first 3 Days of creation, He is ALSO the Literal light of New Jerusalem in Heaven. Rev 21:23

3. You forgot to tell us when Jesus came into the physical world with a Glory (brightness) which is a physical trait. Since He made everything, He had to be there on the first Day physically. God the Father is an Invisible Spirit and NO man has ever or can ever see Him because He's the Spirit of Love. Can you identify what Love looks like? The closest you can come is to identify Jesus. Amen?

 

[classicalhero]

The first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31 Beginning at Gen 2:4 to the end of Revelation, ALL Scripture refers BACK to the events of one of God's 7 Days which consists of 6 periods of work and 1 Day of rest which has NO ending.

Gen 2:4-7 ADDS details to the events of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam was made. The details show that Adam was made, then plants, herbs and trees, which were put into the Garden of Eden, which is another detail to ADD to the outline of the events of God's 7 Days as shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis. Gen 2:8-9

It's all a part of God's way of hiding His Truth from everyone except those who have been born again Spiritually AND live in the last days of our Age. Amen?

If that is the case then Genesis 3 clearly states that Eve was formed to be a helper for Adam. They were both created on the same day. If it is day 3 then why isn't it mentioned in that day, after all it is a significant even of man being created and yet no mention of it. But I will ask again, was the garden ever mentioned in Geneisis 1?