Accept Christ's Word in Mark 7:6-13 - or reject it??

[BobRyan]

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!!

 

[BobRyan]

A few people have argued that we as Christians should not pay any attention to the teaching of Christ in the Gospels - because they imagine that none of that applies to the followers of Christ - after the cross.

Most Christians know not to go down such a blind alley - but you will find a few people trying out that solution.

For those who accept the teaching of Christ - what are your thoughts on Mark 7:6-13?

 

[Travis93]

A few people have argued that we as Christians should not pay any attention to the teaching of Christ in the Gospels - because they imagine that none of that applies to the followers of Christ - after the cross.

Most Christians know not to go down such a blind alley - but you will find a few people trying out that solution.

For those who accept the teaching of Christ - what are your thoughts on Mark 7:6-13?

Indeed, when I show them proof we are to keep the law, they say "well he said that while he was under the law, it's not for us". Not sure why Jesus would give a command near the end of his life if it will be done away with shortly, seems double minded and pointless.

Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

We should listen to people who preach Moses, but not follow their works (their traditions).

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed, when I show them proof we are to keep the law, they say "well he said that while he was under the law, it's not for us".

You make a good point that those who are at war against God's commandments - also end up being at war against the teaching of Christ Himself in places like Mark 7:6-13.

Christians that oppose the teachings of Christ - follow another gospel.

If that is where they have to go -- to pursue their war against the Word of God -- well... it is at least consistent.

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I prefer however to notice key Bible details --

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

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So then here is the answer to our OP question -- what are included in "God's Commandments" in the following examples??

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

The answer is easy -- when one does not dismiss Bible details.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

And of course - Bible details matter.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

And does that include the Law to not take God's name in vain?

And to honor one's father and mother - the law where the 5th commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise".?? Eph 6:2.

Question - what law still binding on mankind today - includes the 5th commandment as the "FIRST commandment with a promise"??

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

 

[Travis93]

You make a good point that those who are at war against God's commandments - also end up being at war against the teaching of Christ Himself in places like Mark 7:6-13.

Christians that oppose the teachings of Christ - follow another gospel.

If that is where they have to go -- to pursue their war against the Word of God -- well... it is at least consistent.

===========================================

I prefer however to notice key Bible details --

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

===============================================

So then here is the answer to our OP question -- what are included in "God's Commandments" in the following examples??

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

The answer is easy -- when one does not dismiss Bible details.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

And of course - Bible details matter.



And does that include the Law to not take God's name in vain?

And to honor one's father and mother - the law where the 5th commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise".?? Eph 6:2.

Question - what law still binding on mankind today - includes the 5th commandment as the "FIRST commandment with a promise"??

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

Zechariah 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts.
Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

 

[The Hammer of Witches]

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!!

We keep God's commandments, but the law is separate from the commandments. Christ fulfilled the law.

 

[Travis93]

We keep God's commandments, but the law is separate from the commandments. Christ fulfilled the law.

The law is God's commandments.
Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Leviticus 1:1 And the Lord called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
Numbers 1:1 And the Lord spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
Deuteronomy 4:12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

 

[disciple1]

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!!

Your using those verses in Mark to make something that doesn't exist.
The law makes nothing perfect it only makes us aware of our sins, if you take the bible as a whole we're to love that's it, but I've even seen some ignorant people take that to mean sex.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
2 peter chapter 3 verse 16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Bob you show your not ignorant if you've read all you post but you must be unstable, pray for God to give you understanding and wisdom, are you aware of that verse where it says God gives generously to all who ask.

 

[bugkiller]

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!!

What does the covenant the Jews are obligated to say? What does the New Covenant the Christian say about keeping the Sabbath, your real goal and issue?

bugkiller



bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

A few people have argued that we as Christians should not pay any attention to the teaching of Christ in the Gospels - because they imagine that none of that applies to the followers of Christ - after the cross.

Most Christians know not to go down such a blind alley - but you will find a few people trying out that solution.

For those who accept the teaching of Christ - what are your thoughts on Mark 7:6-13?

Why do you ask for information you have no interest in?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Indeed, when I show them proof we are to keep the law, they say "well he said that while he was under the law, it's not for us". Not sure why Jesus would give a command near the end of his life if it will be done away with shortly, seems double minded and pointless.

Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

We should listen to people who preach Moses, but not follow their works (their traditions).

Do you attend the synagogue and listen to those who sit in Moses' seat?

bugkiller

 

[Travis93]

Do you attend the synagogue and listen to those who sit in Moses' seat?

bugkiller

There's no synagogue near me, but I am starting to learn from reading the Talmud online. It's pretty fascinating, for instance, here Jesus declares that circumcision trumps the Sabbath command, which is also in the Talmud but not explicitly spelled out in the Torah.
John 8:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
"but such work as could not have been performed on the day before, does supersede (the observance of) the Sabbath."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/t01/t0131.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Indeed, when I show them proof we are to keep the law, they say "well he said that while he was under the law, it's not for us". Not sure why Jesus would give a command near the end of his life if it will be done away with shortly, seems double minded and pointless.

Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Sounds a lot like those mentioned as the "synagogue and throne of satan" in Revelation.
Bewar the leaven of the "false Jews".......

Romans 16:20
The yet God of the Peace shall be crushing the Satan under the feet of ye in swiftness. The grace of the Lord of us Jesus Christ with ye.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev39.htm

Revelation 2:
9“ I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan”.
13 “‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is..................
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

There is a sharp contrast between the “synagogue of Satan” and the “church of God.” Just what is this “synagogue of Satan”? Those of the synagogue of Satan were not the true church, but of the false church.
Now the word for synagogue is not the same word we use for church. In the scriptures, church means the “called out ones” or the “summoned ones.” The Psalmist said about these elect people, “Blessed is the man whom THOU CHOOSEST, and CAUSEST to approach unto Thee, that he may dwell in Thy courts” (Ps. 65:4).

Now let us look at the typical setting and background of this term “synagogue of Satan.” In the days of ancient Israel, the priesthood at Jerusalem was the accepted spiritual authority. Then in 586 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar besieged Jerusalem, demolished the great temple of Solomon, and carried the Jews into exile in Babylon

Thus, the synagogue is an “assembly” of Jewish people, just as the church is thought of today as an “assembly” of believers in Jesus Christ (although that is not the real meaning of church!). The synagogue of Satan is, therefore, the assembly of the adversaries, opponents, slanderers, and accusers! Those of the synagogue of Satan are the opponents of the Truth and the slanderers of the spirit of Christ! Everyone and everything, especially every religious thing that stands in opposition or resistance to the spiritual life of your inner son is truly of the synagogue of Satan!................

St. Paul said that the Word of Elohim is a sharp two-edged sword . . . but changing it turns it into a butter knife . . . and leaves the true Christian defenseless against Satan.

This was done to the Hebrew Old Covenant by a group called Samaritans or fake "Jews." The Masoretes were a branch of the Samaritans, and their "Hebrew" text is called the Tanakh. Today, this forgery is called the traditional Hebrew text.

The Samaritans originated in Babylon where the first universal empire or head of gold was located. The Samaritans were devilishly clever fakes and counterfeits because the brain of fallen man resides in the HEAD and all false religions originally came from Babylon.

The Samaritans had a big accession to their ranks when they were joined by the Khazars in 760. From that time onward, the Samaritan religion was called Judaism and the Samaritans were called Jews..................

Do you attend the synagogue and listen to those who sit in Moses' seat?

bugkiller

There's no synagogue near me, but I am starting to learn from reading the Talmud online,.....

Makes me wonder how many Jewish Synagogues are in God's country of Texas where I live......Let me go see......
.

 

[BobRyan]

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!!

I will stick with the Word of God on this one.

 

[disciple1]

I will stick with the Word of God on this one.

The only law that's needed to be obeyed is to love.
Galatians chapter 3
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

 

[BobRyan]

The only law that's needed to be obeyed is to love.
.

All the Ten Commandments are included in the Law of Love ... as it turns out.

"THIS IS the NEW Covenant I will make with the house of Israel ... I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33.

Irrefutable.

 

[disciple1]

All the Ten Commandments are included in the Law of Love ... as it turns out.

"THIS IS the NEW Covenant I will make with the house of Israel ... I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33.

Irrefutable.

Galatians chapter 3
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse

 

[BobRyan]

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Rom 3:31 "do then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? - God forbid in fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God"

Rom 8:4-9 the wicked "do not subject themselves to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"THIS IS the NEW Covenant I will make with the house of Israel ... I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33.

"for it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justiFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13-16

Irrefutable.

Its about "obedience to the Word of God" and not "works of the law"

 

[disciple1]

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Rom 3:31 "do then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? - God forbid in fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God"

Rom 8:4-9 the wicked "do not subject themselves to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"THIS IS the NEW Covenant I will make with the house of Israel ... I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33.

"for it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justiFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13-16

Irrefutable.

Its about "obedience to the Word of God" and not "works of the law"

Please read.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[BobRyan]

Romans 9 is not in the least contradictory to -


Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"THIS IS the NEW Covenant I will make with the house of Israel ... I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33.

"for it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justiFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13-16

Irrefutable.

Its about "obedience to the Word of God" but not apart from faith AND not "works of the law"

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And WHY is it not contradicting those texts??

Romans 9:31-32
" Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works"

And of course the texts I quote - are about "obedience to the Word of God" but not apart from faith AND not "works of the law"

the point remains.