Absolution

[Guojing]

Yes, now, I know that you came to the belief through a heretical source that is essentially ultra-dispensationalist. That's enough for me to know that I am far better off not taking the matter seriously. Nor discussing it any further.

You can of course choose to label it negatively, but as I said, that is good enough for me.

 

[ozso]

You can of course choose to label it negatively, but as I said, that is good enough for me.

Most of Christianity labels it negatively.

 

[Guojing]

Most of Christianity labels it negatively.

Well, as I said:

If you don't build an ark now, even though God told Noah to do so in Genesis 6:14, you are being dispensational , regardless on whether you are aware or not.

Likewise with regards to physical circumcision with Genesis 17:14

And likewise with not obeying Luke 12:32-33

 

[ozso]

Well, as I said:

If you don't build an ark now, even though God told Noah to do so in Genesis 6:14, you are being dispensational , regardless on whether you are aware or not.

Likewise with regards to physical circumcision with Genesis 17:14

And likewise with not obeying Luke 12:32-33

There's a significant difference between being dispensational and being ultra-dispensational.

People sell their possessions all the time. I've sold many possessions and also given many possessions away. The main point of the entire passage is not to worry about getting and having material things and to not place too much value upon them. Because the less you have of this world and the less you worry about it, the freer you are to focus on the things of God.

 

[Guojing]

There's a significant difference between being dispensational and being ultra-dispensational.

People sell their possessions all the time. I've sold many possessions and also given many possessions away. The main point of the entire passage is not to worry about getting and having material things and to not place too much value upon them. Because the less you have of this world and the less you worry about it, the freer you are to focus on the things of God.

If you know what they were expecting in Daniel 70th week, you will understand that the little flock is not thinking like you when they heard Jesus telling them luke 12:33

 

[ozso]

If you know what they were expecting in Daniel 70th week, you will understand that the little flock is not thinking like you when they heard Jesus telling them luke 12:33

This thread isn't about that.

 

[ViaCrucis]

If you know what they were expecting in Daniel 70th week, you will understand that the little flock is not thinking like you when they heard Jesus telling them luke 12:33

We know what the Apostles understood Jesus to mean, because they lived it. And the Church has continued to teach and practice it throughout the centuries.

And it has nothing to do with Daniel's 70th week.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Dan Perez]

Jesus gave the apostles and their successors authority to absolve people form their sins (John 20:21-23, Matthew 18:18)

This is the ONLY TIME in John 20:22 that the disciples were given , in verse 23 to REMIT sins and is the ONLY TIME that the Holy Spirit said unto to them , Receive ye the Holy Spirit and when these 11 disciples died NO MORE remitting of sin , period !!

So , how did the 11 Disciple remit sin ??

Matt 18:18 is NO PROOF , PERIOD

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

If you know what they were expecting in Daniel 70th week, you will understand that the little flock is not thinking like you when they heard Jesus telling them luke 12:33

If you know what they were expecting in Daniel 70th week, you will understand that the little flock is not thinking like you when they heard Jesus telling them luke 12:33

This is for Ceailaigh , post # 145 and what does Dispensational l and Ulta- Dispensational mean , your thoughts ??

dan p

 

[ozso]

This is for Ceailaigh, post #145 and what does Dispensational l and Ulta- Dispensational mean, your thoughts ??

I don't know all the particulars, but ultra-dispensationalism is best known for teaching that there are two gospels.

The Gospel of the Kingdom aka Gospel of Jesus aka Gospel of Law which only applied to the Jews prior to the resurrection.

And Paul’s Gospel aka Gospel of Grace which is only for the Gentiles after the resurrection.

 

[Dan Perez]

Funny you should say that, I was on the receiving side of acts, chapter one. There Jesus says to go to all the nations, and at the end of Matthew's Gospel, he says to go to all the world. So, why do you think in one verse he says never ever go to the Gentile's and then in another verse he says go to them. Do you think he self contradicting? or maybe your interpretation is just wrong.

I don't know all the particulars, but ultra-dispensationalism is best known for teaching that there are two gospels.

The Gospel of the Kingdom aka Gospel of Jesus aka Gospel of Law which only applied to the Jews prior to the resurrection.

And Paul’s Gospel aka Gospel of Grace which is only for the Gentiles after the resurrection.

And Dispensationalism is what Paul taught ,

# 1 Where the B O C BEGAN , in 1 Cor 12:13 , where Saul was saved in Acts 9:5 and 6 , where it says Saul was saved , FIRST // PROTOS and explains what Dispensationalism in Rom 16:25 and 26 for the obedience of FAITH and WE believe that Saul / Paul wrote 14 epistles .

#2 Those that are Ulta - Dispensarional ONLY believe , that Paul wrote only the books of Eph , Phil , Col , 1 Tim , 2 Tim and Phil


#3 And that the B O C began in the book of Ephesians and cannot explain where the B O C BEGAN .

dan p

Ulta-Dispensationalism

 

[RileyG]

This is the ONLY TIME in John 20:22 that the disciples were given , in verse 23 to REMIT sins and is the ONLY TIME that the Holy Spirit said unto to them , Receive ye the Holy Spirit and when these 11 disciples died NO MORE remitting of sin , period !!

So , how did the 11 Disciple remit sin ??

Matt 18:18 is NO PROOF , PERIOD

dan p

Why? What about when Matthias succeeded Judas, so forth and so on? Why would Jesus allow it only to happen for a generation or so? That makes no sense.

 

[ozso]

Why? What about when Matthias succeeded Judas, so forth and so on? Why would Jesus allow it only to happen for a generation or so? That makes no sense.

Matthias didn't succeed Judas though, he replaced him as one of the original twelve. The requirement for that was to have spent his entire time with Jesus and the other apostles from the beginning. If there had been a system of all the twelve being replaced after death other than that one time, then wouldn't the replacements also have been called apostles? Timothy pretty much succeeded Paul, but he didn't replace Paul and wasn't ever call Timothy the Apostle.

 

[RileyG]

Matthias didn't succeed Judas though, he replaced him as one of the original twelve. The requirement for that was to have spent as much time with Jesus and the other apostles as the apostles themselves.

Semantics. New "Apostles" were being raised up generation after generation long after the original were dead until Christ returns again.

 

[ozso]

Semantics. New "Apostles" were being raised up generation after generation long after the original were dead until Christ returns again.

According to what? Matthias was "Matthias the Apostle". His name is carved on one of the twelve foundations of the Holy City.

 

[Guojing]

This thread isn't about that.

I am just telling you that you are understanding Luke 12:32-33 from the wrong perspective, which is today.

Once you understand that the little flock was expecting the antichrist and the mark of the beast to appear very soon, you will understand why the early Acts church followed Luke 12:33 literally in Acts 2:44-45.

Thus, you will also understand why Paul never tell us to do Luke 12:33 today.

 

[Guojing]

We know what the Apostles understood Jesus to mean, because they lived it. And the Church has continued to teach and practice it throughout the centuries.

And it has nothing to do with Daniel's 70th week.

-CryptoLutheran

Why do you think Peter used the Joel prophecy in Acts 2?

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Do you know what the day of the Lord means for the nation of Israel, before you conclude "it has nothing to do with Daniel's 70th week."?

 

[Guojing]

Semantics. New "Apostles" were being raised up generation after generation long after the original were dead until Christ returns again.

Who would you considered as one of those new apostles today?

 

[ozso]

I am just telling you that you are understanding Luke 12:32-33 from the wrong perspective, which is today.

Once you understand that the little flock was expecting the antichrist and the mark of the beast to appear very soon, you will understand why the early Acts church followed Luke 12:33 literally in Acts 2:44-45.

Thus, you will also understand why Paul never tell us to do Luke 12:33 today.

You are hijacking and derailing this thread by trying to push the heretical doctrine you follow.

 

[Guojing]

You are hijacking and derailing this thread by trying to push the heretical doctrine you follow.

There is nothing heretical about 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel, its in scripture.