Absolution

[Xeno.of.athens]

Jesus is not such a poor speaker that he cannot say exactly what he means.

If those scripture passages tell us literally that gentiles are not part of his ministry in his first coming, why do you need someone else to understand his words?

But you're the one that says that Jesus tells us "literally" that Gentiles are not a part of his ministry. That is not what the Catholic Church teaches. It's not what I believe. I don't know where you've got that belief from.

 

[ozso]

But you're the one that says that Jesus tells us "literally" that Gentiles are not a part of his ministry. That is not what the Catholic Church teaches. It's not what I believe. I don't know where you've got that belief from.

It originally came from E.W. Bullinger.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It originally came from E.W. Bullinger.

Why do you think an Anglican theologian who was also an ultradispensationalist is an authority that I ought to listen to?

 

[ozso]

Why do you think an Anglican theologian who was also an ultradispensationalist is an authority that I ought to listen to?

Why on earth would you think I thought that, when a couple of posts ago I called it unorthodox? You wanted to know where Guojing was getting his ideas from, and I supplied you with that info. Which is were you're supposed to say thanks and give me a like

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Why on earth would you think I thought that, when a couple of posts ago I called it unorthodox? You wanted to know where Guojing was getting his ideas from, and I supplied you with that info. Which is were you're supposed to say thanks and give me a like

OK thanks and I'll give you a like ;-)

 

[ViaCrucis]

That Acts 5 passage has nothing to do with my point, you are trying to deflect.

It contradicts your point.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Dan Perez]

But you're the one that says that Jesus tells us "literally" that Gentiles are not a part of his ministry. That is not what the Catholic Church teaches. It's not what I believe. I don't know where you've got that belief from.

And in Matthew 10:5 Jesus says to ONLY go NOT // ME , which is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and in Greek never gooooooooooooooo into the ways of the GENTILES , period !!

dan p

 

[Guojing]

But you're the one that says that Jesus tells us "literally" that Gentiles are not a part of his ministry. That is not what the Catholic Church teaches. It's not what I believe. I don't know where you've got that belief from.

Have you read any of those 4 passages I have given you? (Matthew 10:5, Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8, Ephesians 2:11-12)

If they say X, why do you still claim you "don't know where I got that belief about X from?"

I think what you are really trying to say is that, I don't know why anyone would take the words in those scripture passages literally.

 

[Guojing]

It originally came from E.W. Bullinger.

I never read any of his writings.

 

[Guojing]

It contradicts your point.

-CryptoLutheran

If you insist, alright then.

 

[Guojing]

And in Matthew 10:5 Jesus says to ONLY go NOT // ME , which is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and in Greek never gooooooooooooooo into the ways of the GENTILES , period !!

dan p

I have no idea why there are people who do not want to read scripture and understand it for themselves, instead of relying on another reader.

English is not that difficult to understand.

 

[Guojing]

You're not the only one here who delivers the two gospels Paul’s Gospel vs Jesus’ Gospel gosple of the kingdom other sheep little flock doctrine. It was started by Ethelbert William Bullinger 1837 – 1913. It's known as Hyperdispensationalism and Bullingerism. Just in case you didn't know.

Its about reading the Bible and understanding the words literally, taking context into account.

Why would you consider that as unorthodox?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Have you read any of those 4 passages I have given you? (Matthew 10:5, Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8, Ephesians 2:11-12)

If they say X, why do you still claim you "don't know where I got that belief about X from?"

I think what you are really trying to say is that, I don't know why anyone would take the words in those scripture passages literally.

Your thinking is not correct, that is not what I am saying, nor is it what I am "trying to say". I think I succeeded in saying what I intended to say.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

And in Matthew 10:5 Jesus says to ONLY go NOT // ME , which is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and in Greek never gooooooooooooooo into the ways of the GENTILES , period !!

dan p

Funny you should say that, I was on the receiving side of acts, chapter one. There Jesus says to go to all the nations, and at the end of Matthew's Gospel, he says to go to all the world. So, why do you think in one verse he says never ever go to the Gentile's and then in another verse he says go to them. Do you think he self contradicting? or maybe your interpretation is just wrong.

 

[Guojing]

New thinking correctly that is not. what I am saying nor is it what I am trying to say. I do think I succeeded in saying what I said.

Your first sentence is incomprehensible

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Your first sentence is incomprehensible

Apologies. the voice to text software didn't do justice to what I had said. Here is what I intended: "Your thinking is not correct, that is not what I am saying, nor is it what I am "trying to say". I think I succeeded in saying what I intended to say."

 

[ozso]

I never read any of his writings.

All the same you're following Bullinger's teaching. Which you probably got from another source.

Its about reading the Bible and understanding the words literally, taking context into account.

From the point of view created by E.W. Bullinger.

Why would you consider that as unorthodox?

Most Christians consider Bullinger's ultra-dispensationalism unorthodox and heresy.

What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org

What is ultra-dispensationalism? What is an ultradispensationalist / hyperdispensationalist? Is ultradispensationalism / hyperdispensationalism biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Guojing]

All the same you're following Bullinger's teaching. Which you probably got from another source.


From the point of view created by E.W. Bullinger.

Most Christians consider Bullinger's ultra-dispensationalism unorthodox and heresy.

What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org

What is ultra-dispensationalism? What is an ultradispensationalist / hyperdispensationalist? Is ultradispensationalism / hyperdispensationalism biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

I notice both of you prefer not to use scripture directly, despite multiple invitations to.

 

[Guojing]

Apologies. the voice to text software didn't do justice to what I had said. Here is what I intended: "Your thinking is not correct, that is not what I am saying, nor is it what I am "trying to say". I think I succeeded in saying what I intended to say."

Then stop saying "I don't know where you've got that belief from."

The truth is you know, I used those scripture passages a number of times already.

You just refuse to read them and understand them literally.

 

[ozso]

I notice both of you prefer not to use scripture directly, despite multiple invitations to.

You haven't invited me because I haven't been debating with you. I just simply identified the name of and the creator of the doctrine you're following.