LDS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!

[Peter1000]

You can believe whatever you want. It just goes against scripture. Consider this, Jesus said the two greatest commandments were to love God and love your neighbor. No mention of marriage there.

In addition in Matthew 5:43-48 says (bold mine):
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbori and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Loving someone who loves you, as in a marriage, is easy. Jesus compares that to tax collectors and pagans - two groups of people that were not held in high regard at the time. That should tell you something.

And oh by the way, notice verse 48 about being perfect. This is a verse that I see commonly misused by the lds that one needs to follow all the made up lds commands so blessings or highest exaltations or whatever else can be achieved. In actuality, it is talking about being perfect in love, for everyone, enemies included.





Furthermore, Paul in 1 Cor 7 has much to say about marriage, including that marriage actually takes away from serving the Lord in verses 32-35:

32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

So, you can continue in your beliefs, but on this matter, they contradict what Scripture actually says. If this is being taught by the lds, shame on them!

Talk about cherry picking, remember that accusation?? This is the pinacle of cherry picking.
Hear yourself. The 2 greatest commandments are love God and love your neighbor. No mention of marriage there. Really. Can you list the 50 other important concepts in the gospel that are not mentioned there? Go ahead and think about it for just 10 seconds and you should go, wow that was silly of me to say that.

Paul was an outstanding critic of marriage, that is for sure. If you have to because you cannot control yourself, then marry. But it is better not to be married. We all know that. God himself contradicts Paul. Who are you going to side with, God or Paul????

God says it is not good that man be alone.
Paul says it is better that a man be alone.

God says there is not the man without the woman, or the woman without the man.
Paul says it is better that a man is without the woman, and the woman without the man.

Who are you going to follow?? Actually Paul says these things of his own mind, not Gods word to him. So it is easy which one I would follow.

Perfect love is 1 attribute that God has in his perfection. He expects us to be as perfect as Him in the attribute of love, and all of His attributes. I could go through chapter 5 and give all the attributes that God expects us to be perfect in, but just read it again. I agree though that love is the most powerful and applicable attribute we can have.

 

[Peter1000]

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TE="Peter1000, post: 71987394, member: 382212"]I can tell you what I believe the meat is as well as you tell me what you think the meat is that Paul was not able to preach or teach. It certainly implies a higher level of Christian living. As I said to Phoebe Ann there is nothing more spiritual and on a higher level of Christian living than for a husand and his wife to commit to each other that they will be faithful to each other in the Lord, and they will commit to live the fullness of the gospel and bring forth fruit in the KOH on earth. To commit to an eternal Christ-centered marriage and making that a vow they make to God, who has said that the man is not to be without the woman and the woman without the man, with no end time specified, but eternal.

That teaching contradicts what Jesus taught. And it detracts from the awesome worship of God. There never was a marriage for time and eternity. The Father is not married!

There never was time or place for Paul or any of the apostles to introduce eternal marriage to the NT church (part of the meat).

Is the Father not married? You cannot tell me that for sure? There is a controversial narrative that Jesus was actually married to Mary M. I'm not sure that he was or wasn't, but some have made a case for them to be married. So Jesus could have been married, and if he was married, His Father would be married too. They are 1 remember?

I would rather not get into a big disussion about is God married. Thank you.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Talk about cherry picking, remember that accusation??

And it still stands.

This is the pinacle of cherry picking.
Hear yourself. The 2 greatest commandments are love God and love your neighbor. No mention of marriage there. Really. Can you list the 50 other important concepts in the gospel that are not mentioned there? Go ahead and think about it for just 10 seconds and you should go, wow that was silly of me to say that.

Then the "50 other important concepts in the gospel" just aren't as important are they? Jesus didn't give a laundry list, he said to simple commandments. That should be enough.

Paul was an outstanding critic of marriage, that is for sure. If you have to because you cannot control yourself, then marry. But it is better not to be married. We all know that. God himself contradicts Paul. Who are you going to side with, God or Paul????

God says it is not good that man be alone.
Paul says it is better that a man be alone.

God says there is not the man without the woman, or the woman without the man.
Paul says it is better that a man is without the woman, and the woman without the man.

Who are you going to follow?? Actually Paul says these things of his own mind, not Gods word to him. So it is easy which one I would follow.

Let's be clear what God actual said about Adam in Genesis 2:18 (bold mine):
18The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

God was talking specifically about Adam. But nice cherry pick!

Perfect love is 1 attribute that God has in his perfection. He expects us to be as perfect as Him in the attribute of love, and all of His attributes. I could go through chapter 5 and give all the attributes that God expects us to be perfect in, but just read it again. I agree though that love is the most powerful and applicable attribute we can have.

You could do that, but nowhere else in Chapter 5 does Jesus say "be perfect", so you would just be adding your misguided theology into the text. In fact, nowhere else in his Sermon on the Mount (Mat. 5-7) does Jesus mention being perfect.

 

[Rescued One]

Since Paul didn't preach the meat, we are not sure what the meat is, but usually the milk would be the easier parts of the gospel to understand and follow, and the meat is a higher level of the gospel, having to do with knowledge and living a higher life style in Christ. A commitment to live chased and be faithful to your wife and to commit and vow to the Lord that you will live his gospel is part of a higher order of Christian living. There is more, but you may have the same mindset that the Corinthians had, and would not receive the meat.

Chaste not chased. No, Mormons don't have a higher order of Christian living; they follow false prophets who teach the commandments of men. And I can chew meat!

Sorry, Paul said that the flock (of sheep) would not be spared.
Read what he says about the flock:
Acts 20:29King James Version (KJV)
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

This sounds like the perfect application of the parable of the sower:
Matthew 13:20-21King James Version (KJV)
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it. (the sheep)

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

You don't know His sheep! They don't follow Satan.

There are people who say they believe but deep down their believing is conditional on how easy the path is. That's because they don't have genuine faith and aren't really sheep.

They went out from us! Do you know why?

Jesus tells his apostles, the seeds that are thrown in stony places are like those who believe (sheep), but do not put down roots, so they endureth for a while, but when tribulation or persecution or other problems arise, like false teachers (that Paul tells us will surely come and not spare the flock), they are offended and leave the flock of the Lord.

So sorry, even the sheep have to find good soil and put down strong root in order to withstand the heavy darts of the adversary.

Jesus is the way. He doesn't abandon His sheep! They have been born again. Sorry to disappoint you, but that isn't DIY!

Which brings us also to who is saved. If you only have to receive the word and you believe, why must you put down strong roots and why must you withstand the evil one if all is automatic.

You aren't quoting anything I said. I've said multiple times that we have to be born again. BORN AGAIN from above.

It is because believing is only the beginning, which should prompt us as a new person in Christ, to put down strong roots so we can endure through the long years of persecution, false teachers, and tribulation, and other. Like it says we not only have to believe but we have to endure to the end to receive our crown of glory.

James 1
12Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1 John 4
19We love him, because he first loved us.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
to them who are the called according to his purpose.

We have:

 

[Rescued One]

I would rather not get into a big disussion about is God married. Thank you.

You're welcome because He is NOT.

 

[Rescued One]

Talk about cherry picking, remember that accusation?? This is the pinacle of cherry picking.
Hear yourself. The 2 greatest commandments are love God and love your neighbor. No mention of marriage there. Really. Can you list the 50 other important concepts in the gospel that are not mentioned there? Go ahead and think about it for just 10 seconds and you should go, wow that was silly of me to say that.

Paul was an outstanding critic of marriage, that is for sure. If you have to because you cannot control yourself, then marry. But it is better not to be married. We all know that. God himself contradicts Paul. Who are you going to side with, God or Paul????

God says it is not good that man be alone.
Paul says it is better that a man be alone.

God says there is not the man without the woman, or the woman without the man.
Paul says it is better that a man is without the woman, and the woman without the man.

Who are you going to follow?? Actually Paul says these things of his own mind, not Gods word to him. So it is easy which one I would follow.

Perfect love is 1 attribute that God has in his perfection. He expects us to be as perfect as Him in the attribute of love, and all of His attributes. I could go through chapter 5 and give all the attributes that God expects us to be perfect in, but just read it again. I agree though that love is the most powerful and applicable attribute we can have.

Paul was NOT cricizing marriage. You misunderstood him.

God didn't want Adam to be lonely. Adam had no friends in the garden let alone the ability to populate the earth without a wife.

The Triune God was never lonely.

 

[Rescued One]

Colossians 2
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

If we are complete in Him, we aren't lacking anything.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm trying to understand the disagreement here. I understand from my protestant days that the witness of a biblical marriage can illustrate the Godhead. What is being said by Mormonism? I didn't read that it was necessary for salvation, but I did notice a lack of connection to the Godhead as illustration. The Chapter 15 quoted in the OP seems to put emphasis on "eternal covenants" of marriage that builds the kingdom of God. This seems to run counter to the born again building of the kingdom illustrated in John Chapter 1, "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
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Okay, I think I can see the rub now.

 

[Ironhold]

I'm trying to understand the disagreement here. I understand from my protestant days that the witness of a biblical marriage can illustrate the Godhead. What is being said by Mormonism? I didn't read that it was necessary for salvation, but I did notice a lack of connection to the Godhead as illustration. The Chapter 15 quoted in the OP seems to put emphasis on "eternal covenants" of marriage that builds the kingdom of God. This seems to run counter to the born again building of the kingdom illustrated in John Chapter 1, "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
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Okay, I think I can see the rub now.

Basically, the family is the smallest unit of the church, and is regarded as the foundation of all mortal efforts. The church is pretty serious about encouraging people to find partners, marry, and work together in order to build a safe, healthy home in which children can be raised, nurtured, and taught. Thus, the family serves as a protective bulwark in which the members strengthen each other to become better people and resist the worst of the world.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Basically, the family is the smallest unit of the church, and is regarded as the foundation of all mortal efforts. The church is pretty serious about encouraging people to find partners, marry, and work together in order to build a safe, healthy home in which children can be raised, nurtured, and taught. Thus, the family serves as a protective bulwark in which the members strengthen each other to become better people and resist the worst of the world.

There's some gospel passages that indicates some are called to not marry, (Matthew 19:12) How does Mormonism handle this teaching of Jesus?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Colossians 2
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

If we are complete in Him, we aren't lacking anything.

As Paul says in Ephesians 1, the believer is indeed 'blessed.. with all spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ'; supposed human merit cannot add to these blessings.

 

[Rescued One]

I'm trying to understand the disagreement here. I understand from my protestant days that the witness of a biblical marriage can illustrate the Godhead. What is being said by Mormonism? I didn't read that it was necessary for salvation, but I did notice a lack of connection to the Godhead as illustration. The Chapter 15 quoted in the OP seems to put emphasis on "eternal covenants" of marriage that builds the kingdom of God. This seems to run counter to the born again building of the kingdom illustrated in John Chapter 1, "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
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Okay, I think I can see the rub now.

In Mormonism, these are the requirements for eternal life (they often refer to it as exaltation because those who are exalted to godhood are the ones with eternal life):

The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32–34). President Joseph Fielding Smith “In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us all the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and the understanding of the truth; and ‘live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God’” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43).

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

1. We must be baptized. (in their church)

2. We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ [of Latter-day Saints] and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

3. Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.

4. We must receive the temple endowment.

5. We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

1. Love God and our neighbors.

2. Keep the commandments. (Tithing and the dietary restrictions are mandatory to get the temple endowments and covenants, as well as sustaining the leaders)

3. Repent of our wrongdoings. (overcome them)

4. Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

5. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

6. Love our family members and strengthen them in the [Mormon] ways of the Lord.

7. Have family and individual prayers every day.

8. Teach the gospel [the Mormon gospel] to others by word and example.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In Mormonism, these are the requirements for eternal life (they often refer to it as exaltation because those who are exalted to godhood are the ones with eternal life):

The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32–34). President Joseph Fielding Smith “In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us all the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and the understanding of the truth; and ‘live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God’” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43).

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

1. We must be baptized. (in their church)

2. We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ [of Latter-day Saints] and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

3. Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.

4. We must receive the temple endowment.

5. We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

1. Love God and our neighbors.

2. Keep the commandments. (Tithing and the dietary restrictions are mandatory to get the temple endowments and covenants, as well as sustaining the leaders)

3. Repent of our wrongdoings. (overcome them)

4. Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

5. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

6. Love our family members and strengthen them in the [Mormon] ways of the Lord.

7. Have family and individual prayers every day.

8. Teach the gospel [the Mormon gospel] to others by word and example.

Thanks for the information, it's helpful.
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By the way, Do you know the name of the spirit that's under the words in the book of Mormon? It has a burning confusing presence, it's very stubborn and keeps returning until entirely refuted on a spiritual level.

 

[Rescued One]

There's some gospel passages that indicates some are called to not marry, (Matthew 19:12) How does Mormonism handle this teaching of Jesus?

Marriages must be done by the proper authority for time and eternity and the marriage has to be performed on earth in the person's lifetime, or on earth by proxy after death, or during the Millennium. Supposedly a righteous person will receive the ability to procreate after the resurrection. Others won't have that ability.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Marriages must be done by the proper authority for time and eternity and that the marriage has to be performed on earth in the person's lifetime, or on earth by proxy, or during the Millennium. Supposedly a righteous person will receive the ability to procreate after the resurrection. Others won't have that ability.

So get married as a divine obligation having kids is optional.

 

[Rescued One]

So get married as a divine obligation having kids is optional.

Having kids isn't exactly optional. Childless couples usually adopt.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Having kids isn't exactly optional. Childless couples usually adopt.

Good to know.

 

[DavidFirth]

I kept waiting to see a real verse that shows that marriage stops at death. Here's one:

Romans 7:3
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

So we see that when death occurs the marriage is over. There is no "celestial" marriage.

Matthew 22:30
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Also, see Mark 12:25.

There is no such thing as a "celestial" marriage.

 

[Rescued One]

Thanks for the information, it's helpful.
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By the way, Do you know the name of the spirit that's under the words in the book of Mormon? It has a burning confusing presence, it's very stubborn and keeps returning until entirely refuted on a spiritual level.

I'm not afraid of evil spirits because I have God's protection in my life.

 

[DavidFirth]

I have debated with Mormons before and have shown them where much of their doctrine contradicts the teaching of Christ.