LDS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!

[Gregory Thompson]

I kept waiting to see a real verse that shows that marriage stops at death. Here's one:

Romans 7:3
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

So we see that when death occurs the marriage is over. There is no "celestial" marriage.

Matthew 22:30
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Also, see Mark 12:25.

There is no such thing as a "celestial" marriage.

Thanks for posting these.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm not afraid of evil spirits because I have God's protection in my life.

I'm not afraid either, I was just curious if you knew.

 

[DavidFirth]

The entire "temple marriage" thing is hogwash, no way around it.

 

[Rescued One]

I kept waiting to see a real verse that shows that marriage stops at death. Here's one:

Romans 7:3
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

So we see that when death occurs the marriage is over. There is no "celestial" marriage.

Matthew 22:30
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Also, see Mark 12:25.

There is no such thing as a "celestial" marriage.

I agree with the Bible! But I know what the Mormons told me. She wasn't married for time and eternity to anyone. However, it can't be done after death according to Matthew 22:30!

 

[Rescued One]

I have to run. I'll be back either this afternoon or tonight.

 

[DavidFirth]

I agree with the Bible! But I know what the Mormons told me. She wasn't married for time and eternity to anyone. However, it can't be done after death according to Matthew 22:30!

There are other verses as well. There are no marriages in heaven. We will be like the angels, sexless, with no need to procreate.

Well, of course there is the marriage between Christ and the church (Us!)!

 

[Jane_Doe]

There's some gospel passages that indicates some are called to not marry, (Matthew 19:12) How does Mormonism handle this teaching of Jesus?

Those who do not have the opportunity to marry in this life still have families (Obviously).

 

[Jane_Doe]

I have debated with Mormons before and have shown them where much of their doctrine contradicts the teaching of Christ.

Did you speak with an LDS person and let them explain their beliefs to you?

 

[DavidFirth]

Did you speak with an LDS person and let them explain their beliefs to you?

Yes. They tried to recruit me into their church. I have friends who are Mormons. One day 6 of them came to my house to hear me. I showed them how the scriptures contradict what they teach. They were pretty much speechless. What could they say?

 

[mmksparbud]

Talk about cherry picking, remember that accusation?? This is the pinacle of cherry picking.
Hear yourself. The 2 greatest commandments are love God and love your neighbor. No mention of marriage there. Really. Can you list the 50 other important concepts in the gospel that are not mentioned there? Go ahead and think about it for just 10 seconds and you should go, wow that was silly of me to say that.

Paul was an outstanding critic of marriage, that is for sure. If you have to because you cannot control yourself, then marry. But it is better not to be married. We all know that. God himself contradicts Paul. Who are you going to side with, God or Paul????

God says it is not good that man be alone.
Paul says it is better that a man be alone.

God says there is not the man without the woman, or the woman without the man.
Paul says it is better that a man is without the woman, and the woman without the man.

Who are you going to follow?? Actually Paul says these things of his own mind, not Gods word to him. So it is easy which one I would follow.

Perfect love is 1 attribute that God has in his perfection. He expects us to be as perfect as Him in the attribute of love, and all of His attributes. I could go through chapter 5 and give all the attributes that God expects us to be perfect in, but just read it again. I agree though that love is the most powerful and applicable attribute we can have.

God instituted marriage---He created Eve because He said it is not good for man to be alone----there was not one single other human there. Only animals. Of course it was obvious that every animal had a mate and Adam did not---Had Adam and Eve not fallen, they would still be in that same relationship and they had been given instructions to be fruitful and multiply. It is a lie that only after the fall were they able to procreate---God told them to be fruitful and multiply --what do you think that means and this false teaching that only Satan made it possible for them to have children is prove enough that JS was a false prophet. That is totally against scripture. Had they not fallen, they'd still be multiplying!!
Now---you'd think he would have been smart enough to leave that alone as he could have used that to substantiate a forever, eternal marriage---but he was not speaking for God and couldn't see the obvious.
There is no contradiction between Paul and God. It is still not good for man to be alone. But we are now in a fallen world with other sinners. The need for companionship is there, but there are millions of other humans now, and we have opportunity for friends which, before Eve, Adam did not. The whole thing was blown by Adam and Eve when they fell. The whole relationship changed, for it was only after the fall that God said

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Paul is talking about marriage with mans' fallen nature, not as God had made him. Jesus plainly stated the changed relationship now, after the fall, and that there is no marriage in heaven anymore. There will no longer be any need of it. No one will ever be alone again. He never said we would not be in relationships, that we would not have companionship---that we would not be with close friends forever. We will be. But there is no longer any need for sex--that is exactly what it boils down to for the children have been born. God will resurrect the innocent that have died. And those babies will be cared for and we will watch them grow. We will never have a need for a sexual partnership is what JS could not accept because of his own lust for women and wanting multiple wives on this earth and the next.
God gave Adam one woman-----period. If He felt he should have more, He would have created more than one for Him, but He did not.
Jesus stepped down from His being solely divine in order to save us---and He retains His humanity for ever. That is the price He paid. Things changed after the fall. Sex will not be a part of eternal life. That is the price we pay. But love and companionship and friendships will be, and each and everyone one will be eternal. God does not take away from us anything that we need. I will take His judgment over the fantasies of JS any day. If Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven, then there is none--He should know, He instituted it. JS was either deceived or he lied through his teeth, either way---what he says is not of God.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Yes.

That's interesting. Most people who claim to "debate" Mormons don't actually listen. Rather it's a show goes something like this:
Non-Mormon person says: "You Mormons believe X, and here's why you're wrong"
When in reality Mormons don't really believe X and the entire thing is a straw man and/or other logical fallacies.

I've learned with such people it's usually best to just kindly wish them "may God be with you", rather than try to explain what I actually believe cause they usually don't want to hear it.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Marriages must be done by the proper authority for time and eternity and the marriage has to be performed on earth in the person's lifetime, or on earth by proxy after death, or during the Millennium. Supposedly a righteous person will receive the ability to procreate after the resurrection. Others won't have that ability.

?????

 

[DavidFirth]

That's interesting. Most people who claim to "debate" Mormons don't actually listen. Rather it's a show goes something like this:
Non-Mormon person says: "You Mormons believe X, and here's why you're wrong"
When in reality Mormons don't really believe X and the entire thing is a straw man and/or other logical fallacies.

I've learned with such people it's usually best to just kindly wish them "may God be with you", rather than try to explain what I actually believe cause they usually don't want to hear it.

I heard them out. They were very nice folks so I gave them the floor first. I listened until they said something non-Biblical, then I took them to the Bible to show them what it truly does say.

I admire how they love one another and care about each other, really care.

 

[Jane_Doe]

?????

(Actual Mormon explaining actual Mormon beliefs)

LDS believe that our resurrected bodies will be glorified and all imperfections removed.

Does that automatically mean all resurrected ladies are going to be pregnant or such things? Not at all.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I heard them out. They were very nice folks so I gave them the floor first. I listened until they said something non-Biblical, then I took them to the Bible to show them what it truly does say.

Do you believe that someone can have a different understanding of the Bible than you?

I admire how they love one another and care about each other, really care.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Do you believe that someone can have a different understanding of the Bible than you?

I think his point is, Let the text of Scripture speak for itself; it's not just a case of everyone reading their ideas into the text - eisegesis - but rather, exegesis: letting the meaning of the text itself speak for itself.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I think his point is, Let the text of Scripture speak for itself; it's not just a case of everyone reading their ideas into the text - eisegesis - but rather, exegesis: letting the meaning of the text itself speak for itself.

And upon listening to the text, can two different people hear two different messages? If you, how do you determine which is the True message?

 

[DavidFirth]

Do you believe that someone can have a different understanding of the Bible than you?

Of course they can, that's why we have so many different denominations that we can't count them all.

But when you teach something that directly contradicts Christ's teaching is when I have to throw up a red flag. Because that leads to more and more contradictions.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Of course they can, that's why we have so many different denominations that we can't count them all.

But when you teach something that directly contradicts Christ's teaching is when I have to throw up a red flag. Because that leads to more and more contradictions.

Interesting.

Obviously my study of the Bible has lead me to different conclusions than yours. I do greatly appreciate you even-toned and Christ-like manner here. Thank you for sharing.

 

[faroukfarouk]

And upon listening to the text, can two different people hear two different messages? If you, how do you determine which is the True message?

There is no doubt about the basic meaning of John 14.6. There is no doubt about the basic meaning of 1 Timothy 2.5. There is no doubt about the basic meaning of John 1.14.