Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[pgp_protector]

Thank you for your long boring fairy tale, but I'll stick with God's word.

God is never wrong

Blessings

YOU ARE NOT GOD.

 

[lifepsyop]

Not really. To go around a flat circular globe, one could only circle it by traveling in a circle. It may be possible to travel from west to east (from the US to China), however, in order to return, one would have to turn around and go back west. If one travels in a circle around the flat earth, their direction would chang with the curvature of the circle.

That is a popular misconception about flat earth.

The illustration below will make it clear. If magnetic north pole is the center of the world, then East and West simply become a function of circling around the pole in either direction... with similar lines of latitude and longitude that a sphere would have.

The only way you hit an edge is to travel south which simply means 'away from magnetic north' (i.e. towards the outer edge of the world)

That big icy landmass, if it surrounded the circular Earth, it could be reached by traveling in any direction to the end of the Earth. It would only be from magnetic north to south if one started in the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere on a sphere. You basically confirmed that with your statement.

Not after you orient yourself properly with the flat earth model. As illustrated above, in both a globe and a flat earth model you inevitably run into Antarctica by following your compass away from North. (The major discrepancy between models, of course, is the size of Antarctica.)

There is a good article about what I continue to experience on this topic. Here is an excerpt

The human tendency to swear by our stances — even as they begin to crumble like a poorly baked soufflé — is driven by a variety of reasons, ranging from cognitive biases to emotional attachments to social dynamics, that make it challenging for us to accept we were mistaken. As a result, we often double down on our mistakes. The most common reason why is, perhaps, ego.

Why We Double Down On Our Arguments Even After Realizing We’re Wrong

A variety of reasons — ranging from cognitive biases to emotional attachments to social dynamics — stop us from accepting our mistakes.

www.theswaddle.com

That's a two-way street isn't?

We all become emotionally attached to our worldviews, and "Science" is usually downstream from our ideology.

Academics are some of the worst offenders of confirmation bias. It shouldn't come as a surprise that we could get some fundamental things wrong, especially under a guiding philosophy of Newtonianism and Copernicanism.... I mean these are the people that invented 90% of the universe (dark matter) in order to save their belief of how nature works... They have clearly been working off some incredibly flawed presuppositions about reality.

 

[prodromos]

That is a popular misconception about flat earth

Not a misconception. On the globe, you point yourself East and continue in a straight line you will always be heading East. If you do that on a flat earth you will inevitably run into the imaginary ice wall.

 

[lifepsyop]

Not a misconception. On the globe, you point yourself East and continue in a straight line you will always be heading East. If you do that on a flat earth you will inevitably run into the imaginary ice wall.

You are still confused and imagining things. East and West are directions only in reference to magnetic North. If I walk straight with North 90 degrees to my left, then I am traveling East. If North is 90 degrees to my right, then I am traveling West.

Thus, going East simply means you are walking straight while keeping magnetic North to your left side, (which means you will eventually circle back around again to where you started.) That works the same way in both a Flat Earth and Globe Earth model. (Where you are basically 'tethering' around the central axis of the north pole, whenever you keep going straight East or West)


(north pole in the center)

In navigation, directions on maps are usually expressed with reference to geographical or true north, the direction toward the Geographical North Pole, the rotation axis of the Earth. Depending on where the compass is located on the surface of the Earth the angle between true north and magnetic north, called magnetic declination can vary widely with geographic location. The local magnetic declination is given on most maps, to allow the map to be oriented with a compass parallel to true north.

Compass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I just made a new resolution: Not to indulge in nonsensical discussions with people who refuse to be rational.
One would be surprised at how many discussions and how much frustration that avoids.

 

[contratodo]

Enoch 2:1
Observe ye everything that takes place in the the sky, how they do not change their courses, and the luminaries which are in the the sky,
how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order.

The Mayan Kukulkan Pyramid is still aligned with the winter solstice now.

If we are on a ball that is orbiting the sun, and that sun is traveling forward through space,
such architectural stationary alignments should not remain accurate.

 

[lifepsyop]

Pastor Will Duffy has put up the money to fly two people to Antarctica during Summer, one from the flat earth community and one from the globe earth community, so they can witness whether the Sun is visible for 24 hours, just like it is during Summer in the Arctic. As of yet, no one from the flat earth community has taken up the offer. Flat Earth Dave (AKA David Weiss or DITRH) was originally selected but refused to go, and now Jeranism (AKA Jeran Campanella) has been selected but seems likely to back out after receiving a lot of hostility from his fellow flat earthers.

There are a few strange videos of a supposed 24-hour sun from Antarctica. This is one of the first ones that comes up on youtube.

[ EDIT: fixed image ]

This video presented as a totally continuous loop of a 24-hour sun from Antarctica. These two frames are a minute apart... notice anything strange? The cloud formations are 100% identical. Parts of the full sun-circuit are video duplicates... Why would someone edit the video before the sun fully completes a cycle? If someone edited this as a prank, then where is the original unedited cut?

From what I gather so far there is a pattern of weird edits in the barely existent amount of footage we have of this alleged phenomenon.

What I sometimes ask myself is, why haven't all these "Debunkers" gone down there themselves and captured beautiful smooth time lapses of the Sun from dozens of different angles. It's almost as if we have more video footage from the moon landing events then we do of Antarctica. I mean it's 2024 and only now are people talking about going down there to examine it.

The situation is admittedly strange isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong and show me all the amazing high-resolution footage of the 24-hour sun on Antarctica.

In any case, it will be interesting to follow the developments.

Even if it costs them nothing to go, they won't ever go. Pride won't let them, and they would rather die in the sin of Satan than admit they are wrong.

The sin of questioning Science?

 

[HantsUK]

Thus, going East simply means you are walking straight while keeping magnetic North to your left side, (which means you will eventually circle back around again to where you started.) That works the same way in both a Flat Earth and Globe Earth model. (Where you are basically 'tethering' around the central axis of the north pole, whenever you keep going straight East or West)

But that is not going in a strainght line. It is following a circle. This is one of the fundermental differences between a globe earth and a flat earth. This is different. Is is not the same. It works differently.

For someone 1000 miles from the North Pole, traveling initially due East, but dead reckoning (i.e. actually going straight). After just 17 miles turn 90 deg towards north. On a globe, this will be pointing due north. On a flat earth, there will be a 1 degree difference.

Also, if you keep going due south, on a flat earth you would continue to diverge. On a flat earth you would start to converge once south of the equator. Again, another testable difference.

Geodetic surveying takes into account the 3D shape of the earth. For local areas, approximating the earth to being flat is accurate enough.

The problem is flater earthers keep thinking in globe terms.

 

[prodromos]

This video presented as a totally continuous loop of a 24-hour sun from Antarctica. These two frames are a minute apart... notice anything strange? The cloud formations are 100% identical. Parts of the full sun-circuit are video duplicates... Why would someone edit the video before the sun fully completes a cycle? If someone edited this as a prank, then where is the original unedited cut?

You claim they are a minute apart, yet the timestamps are identical. I stepped through the video at that timestamp one frame at a time (there are 24 frames per 'second') and no two frames are identical as you have claimed. I also did not find any "video duplicates" in the above footage. You have to be lying or just incredibly stupid.

 

[prodromos]

Thus, going East simply means you are walking straight while keeping magnetic North to your left side

The only place you can be "walking straight" while keeping magnetic North to your side is on a globe.

 

[prodromos]

What I sometimes ask myself is, why haven't all these "Debunkers" gone down there themselves and captured beautiful smooth time lapses of the Sun from dozens of different angles. It's almost as if we have more video footage from the moon landing events then we do of Antarctica. I mean it's 2024 and only now are people talking about going down there to examine it.

The only reason anyone down in Antarctica bothered to make the effort to set up a weatherproof camera outdoors in one of the harshest climates on the planet is because they thought it was an interesting phenomenon and wanted to share the experience with others. No one working in Antarctica cares what a tiny bunch of weirdo's on the Internet think about the shape of the Earth.
I personally make enough money to feed my family and pay off my mortgage. It costs more than I can manage to fly to Antarctica with a suitable rugged camera.

The situation is admittedly strange isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong and show me all the amazing high-resolution footage of the 24-hour sun on Antarctica.

Dave McKeegan intends to provide exactly what you are asking for, but I'm confident you will find some reason to dismiss it when it becomes available. You are already trying to find fault with the existing time-lapses

 

[prodromos]

Enoch 2:1
Observe ye everything that takes place in the the sky, how they do not change their courses, and the luminaries which are in the the sky,
how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order.

The Mayan Kukulkan Pyramid is still aligned with the winter solstice now.

If we are on a ball that is orbiting the sun, and that sun is traveling forward through space,
such architectural stationary alignments should not remain accurate.

Ah, the good old "Argument from Incredulity". Haven't seen you for a while.

 

[rturner76]

Thank you for your long boring fairy tale, but I'll stick with God's word.

God is never wrong

Blessings

I agree but your position on the other hand is very wrong, that's why he never said the Earth was flat anywhere in the Bible. After at least five requests to produce just one verse where God says the Earth is flat, still nothing. I would be perfectly happy to take another look at the data if you could produce a single verse confirming a flat Earth. You can't so I see why you have figuratively plugged your ears and basically said "la la la la la, I can't hear you."

I would assume that a Bible-believing Christian would believe the Bible when it is absent even one verse confirming the Earth is flat. So since you still have no evidence, either scientific or scriptural. I totally understand why you would throw in the towel. Looks like a debate TKO.

I sincerely wish you blessings as well I will pray that one day you will learn the difference between fact and fiction but I know that sadly, some people are not capable of discerning the difference of fiction and truth .

May God bless you and keep you!

 

[rturner76]

Even if it costs them nothing to go, they won't ever go. Pride won't let them, and they would rather die in the sin of Satan than admit they are wrong.

Kinda scary to know, that I may be in the checkout line with someone who has absolutely no way to discern between fact and fiction. Especially when the proof is available for one side and the Bible that they so staunchly believe has zero references to a flat Earth. The scariest part of this phenomenon is that it seems the majority of these people do not seem to be schizo-affected but have chosen to believe a delusion. I don't think there is a diagnosis for what the root cause of the delusion is like a chemical imbalance of the brain. It's a self-inflicted delusion. This phenomenon is no longer annoying to me but fascinating. I really want to know what makes their mind work.

Well. I can say that I have found a few explanations on various psychology websites. I posted some earlier. Many of them have zeroed in on what seems to be the fragility and consequent protection of the ego by not being capable of admitting even to themselves they are wrong. That theory in my opinion points to classic narcissism.

 

[rturner76]

Not after you orient yourself properly with the flat earth model.

Why would I do that when the flat Earth model is just that, a model, an artist's rendering, a hypothesis without enough proof to make it a theory? How does this model explain why the equator has the longest latitude and as it goes both north and south, the global longitude gets shorter and shorter until it reaches the poles? In this model, the border of Antarctica would have the longest lines of latitude but it's not there, it's at the equator.

As illustrated above, in both a globe and a flat earth model you inevitably run into Antarctica by following your compass away from North. (The major discrepancy between models, of course, is the size of Antarctica.)

Also, the fact that the Earth is a documented sphere from footage taken from orbit, instead of an artist's rendering of Earth, do you have any real-time footage from what you may call "the firmament?" I would also accept something like weatherballon footage since from my understanding, there is no outer space in your belief system. Because I can post real-time footage from the inner orbit and the moon's orbit. That kind of footage would make your position far more believable. Even with a weather balloon, shouldn't we be able to view the north pole in the center of Earth or the edge of Earth? It's not possible because it's not provable.

We all become emotionally attached to our worldviews, and "Science" is usually downstream from our ideology.

Academics are some of the worst offenders of confirmation bias. It shouldn't come as a surprise that we could get some fundamental things wrong, especially under a guiding philosophy of Newtonianism and Copernicanism.... I mean these are the people that invented 90% of the universe (dark matter) in order to save their belief of how nature works... They have clearly been working off some incredibly flawed presuppositions about reality.

Like the flat and spherical Earth argument, I completely disagree. A spherical isn't a worldview. It is a view of the world. I can show that, you can't so you believe in a flat Earth based on a worldview and I believe in a spherical Earth based on proven and verified science with experiments that can be recreated with the same results. It's something that can be seen and measured whereas a flat Earth cannot.

The phenomenon is that many of these flat Earth posts seem to be made by people who can make rational decisions but the flat Earth concept is 100% irrational, emotional, and a worldview rather than a repeatable experiment as in the scientific method which is the global standard of w\how to prove whether something is fact of fiction.

Also, don't forget that one can see other planets in our solar system in their backyard and if they were to go to a world-renowned planetarium, they can see the surface of many of these planets if not all. On can also either view the information from what are basically spaceships and view other galaxies and other suns and solar systems. We have completely mapped the moon and are doing the same on Mars. We have satellites in orbit around Jupiter. The list of ways to prove that planets (including ours in unlimited. However, the only proof a flat Earth believer can offer is an artist's rendering. The only other form of proof is a supposed Bible verse where God tells us the Earth is flat but I have never seen this verse,nor seen anyone post it.

While you are articulate, your argument that you have proof completely fails, sorry

 

[Apple Sky]

I agree but your position on the other hand is very wrong, that's why he never said the Earth was flat anywhere in the Bible. After at least five requests to produce just one verse where God says the Earth is flat, still nothing. I would be perfectly happy to take another look at the data if you could produce a single verse confirming a flat Earth. You can't so I see why you have figuratively plugged your ears and basically said "la la la la la, I can't hear you."

I would assume that a Bible-believing Christian would believe the Bible when it is absent even one verse confirming the Earth is flat. So since you still have no evidence, either scientific or scriptural. I totally understand why you would throw in the towel. Looks like a debate TKO.

I sincerely wish you blessings as well I will pray that one day you will learn the difference between fact and fiction but I know that sadly, some people are not capable of discerning the difference of fiction and truth .

May God bless you and keep you!

There is a difference between you & I, you conform to the world, I don't.

King James Bible
For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

Blessings

 

[Apple Sky]

Kinda scary to know, that I may be in the checkout line with someone who has absolutely no way to discern between fact and fiction.

I agree & their are billions like you who can't discern between fact and fiction, it's not your or their fault as this is the way most have been indoctrinated since childhood.

King James Bible
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.


King James Bible
For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

Blessings

 

[Yttrium]

Well. I can say that I have found a few explanations on various psychology websites. I posted some earlier. Many of them have zeroed in on what seems to be the fragility and consequent protection of the ego by not being capable of admitting even to themselves they are wrong. That theory in my opinion points to classic narcissism.

From what I've seen, it has a lot to do with paranoia. It's not that they fall into a firm belief and then think anything that contradicts them must be fake. It's that they think there is a vast conspiracy out to deceive everybody, and they find something that must be what the conspiracy is trying to deceive us about, in this case globe Earth. Naturally, all evidence the conspirators provide is meant to deceive us, and so must be fake.

You can see that with conspiracy theories in general. The flat Earthers just take it to an absurd extreme. The number of people that would have to be involved in the globe earth conspiracy would have to be ridiculous, since it would involve all space agencies on Earth, everything aerospace, everything maritime, all governments, all universities, etc etc.

 

[Apple Sky]

I believe in a spherical Earth based on proven and verified science with experiments that can be recreated with the same results. It's something that can be seen and measured whereas a flat Earth cannot.

Are you sure about this ? How do you know that the so called spherical world measurements are correct ?

Were you told it or did you read it in some scientific book ?

King James Bible
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Blessing

 

[Apple Sky]

The number of people that would have to be involved in the globe earth conspiracy would have to be ridiculous, since it would involve all space agencies on Earth, everything aerospace, everything maritime, all governments, all universities, etc etc.

This is why the path is so narrow.

King James Bible
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Blessings