Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[prodromos]

I thought this paper was interesting... from the year 2000 in the Journal of Surveying Engineering, regarding the calibration of GPS coordinate systems to the actual surface of the earth.

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/Articles/SolerFuryASCE.pdf

In it they describe a process of regular 'correction' for 'meridian convergence'. (as lines of longitude on the equator grow closer together as they approach the poles). The GPS calibration process appears to be centered around using an algorithm to conform data to a 3D model of a sphere.

Far from being independent checks, we are probably imposing a great deal of our beliefs into the designs of the technology we use

The cognitive dissonance of this post is breathtaking

 

[lifepsyop]

And funny thing, after conforming properly to a globe, it gets you to your destination, whether you're traveling by ground, air or sea.

Sure, just don't go too far south. That's a lot of ocean that could be missing if the coordinates are being incorrectly "converged" with a false spherical model. This may also be one of the reasons that below 60 degrees southern earth latitude is a restricted area. Makes independent verification a little more difficult.


I also thought it interesting that one of the yacht sailors of the Whitbread race is an adamant proponent of the flat earth. (Herve Riboni)
This is the route he raced. He's talked a lot about it.

1993–1994 Whitbread Round the World Race - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[prodromos]

Sure, just don't go too far south

You obviously didn't read the paper you linked.

 

[Apple Sky]

Are you sure that I didn't make a post telling you the many places you can see proof? Here ya go.......

Click here Google Earth and you can literally see the Entire Earth. You start off with a view of the entire globe like this......

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Then you can zoom in to any city or town on Earth to street level. Pretty simple and free program. You can also see what Antarctica really looks like, a snow-covered continent at the South Pole of the GLOBE.

Now let's see your proof. I mean besides an artist's rendering. Show us a flat Earth where you can zoom from space to any city's street level. Can't wait. You see, what you are talking about is your BELIEF based on some thrown-together Bible verses that never actually mention that the Earth is flat. At this stage of life, one should be able to clearly prove something is a fact of nature (like an interactive map of planet Earth) and something you simply believe in but can't prove (like Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the like). Does any of that make sense?

Google Earth lol'z

Try again

 

[Apple Sky]

Just floating in space? No orbit?

Strange as it may seem but the earth takes up the whole universe along with it's heavens. Earth is not some random ball just floating in space, you think to little of God's creation. UNIVERSE = ONE SONG

 

[rturner76]

While it's hard to know what the average person thought, belief in a round Earth was accepted by essentially all educated people by the medieval period.

I don't remember if I already replied but also they believed the Earth was a sphere spinning around the sun in the days of Aristotle and the Zoroastrians had mastery of astronomy many years B.C.A.

 

[rturner76]

Google Earth lol'z

Try again

So you don't even believe your own eyes. You can go on there and zoom from outer space to your home. Also, what is it that makes you believe this program has no credibility specifically? Also, why would NASA have no credibility? I have proven my point but you have yet to post a single Bible verse that states the Earth is flat. What you posted was a picture of Antarctica. As you can see, with your eye, it does not surround a flat Earth. Also, I have a question. If Antarctica surrounds the Earth, where exactly is the North Pole in that scenario?

Saying "Google? Try again" in no way disproves my argument. Saying basically nuh-uh, in no way disproves my argument, Nuh-uh should be followed with provable facts as to why it is not credible information. Not only have you NOT proven your point, but you have also failed to disprove mine.

Also, this "evidence" from YouTube of no north or south pole has absolutely no scientific credibility. It is a video for delusional people to confirm other's delusions, only feeding ignorance. You can no doubt see Antarctica and you can zoom in to see the topography. Not being able to measure it the same way in the computer program in no way negates the fact that it is there. Did you know that there is an option to not only watch the Earth's rotation from 1984 to the present day, but also track cloud patterns?

I've shown you mine, now you show me your topographic photos of a flat Earth. Can you do that? Can you look at specific mountain ranges and compare them to an atlas? Have you ever used GPS or traveled on an international flight? Both can track your real-time location on the spinning globe we live on. You have shown nothing. Not a Bible verse, not real-time weather patterns, nor even a single photo of a flat Earth. Where do rockets go when they blast off?

Even in the early 20th century before satellites, we had weather balloons that showed the curvature of the Earth. How can an airplane travel travel east for 24 hours, refuel, and continue to travel east for 24 hours and return to the United States?? Why has an airplane never flown or a ship never been to Antarctica which supposedly surrounds the earth?

Game. set match.

 

[rturner76]

Sure, just don't go too far south. That's a lot of ocean that could be missing if the coordinates are being incorrectly "converged" with a false spherical model. This may also be one of the reasons that below 60 degrees southern earth latitude is a restricted area. Makes independent verification a little more difficult.

Actually, there have been many expeditions to Antarctica since 1896. Maybe you want to sign up to go one one. Do you have any background in science?

https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/opportun.jsp

It is a requirement that one have a working knowledge of science but there are positions for science assistants, artists, or writers, and one that I think you may be interested in is public information specialist.

That is organized by the U. S. National Science Foundation.

Otherwise, perhaps you would prefer an expedition with the British Antarctic Survey.

Antarctic science and exploration - Discovering Antarctica

From the heroic age of 19th century exploration to to the present day, Antarctica has been the site for scientific discoveries and cutting edge science.

discoveringantarctica.org.uk

Also, were you aware of the permanent bases in Antarctica?

Countries With Antarctic Research Stations

As per the Antarctic Treaty, 32 countries maintain a presence in Antarctica by way of permanent and/or seasonal research. Learn about the research stations of Antarctica.

www.worldatlas.com

From the website:

"Antarctica is protected by the Antarctic Treaty which ensures the wellbeing of the natural environment. As of October 2006, 40 countries are signatories of the Antarctic Treaty. The signatories are allowed to maintain a seasonal or year-round station in Antarctica. However, some countries maintain both statuses. Antarctic research stations are spread across the continent, with some stations being permanent while others are temporary. There are approximately 50 permanent active research stations representing 32 countries drawn from all the continents."

 

[lifepsyop]

How can an airplane travel travel east for 24 hours, refuel, and continue to travel east for 24 hours and return to the United States??

Because east and west directionality works the same way in a flat-earth model. Going east or west makes a big circle around a central north pole.

Why has an airplane never flown or a ship never been to Antarctica which supposedly surrounds the earth?

They have. In both a globe and flat earth model you reach Antarctica by traveling away from magnetic North until you arrive at a big icy landmass.

 

[rturner76]

Because east and west directionality works the same way in a flat-earth model. Going east or west makes a big circle around a central north pole.

Not really. To go around a flat circular globe, one could only circle it by traveling in a circle. It may be possible to travel from west to east (from the US to China), however, in order to return, one would have to turn around and go back west. If one travels in a circle around the flat earth, their direction would chang with the curvature of the circle.

They have. In both a globe and flat earth model you reach Antarctica by traveling away from magnetic North until you arrive at a big icy landmass.

That big icy landmass, if it surrounded the circular Earth, it could be reached by traveling in any direction to the end of the Earth. It would only be from magnetic north to south if one started in the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere on a sphere. You basically confirmed that with your statement.

There is a good article about what I continue to experience on this topic. Here is an excerpt

The human tendency to swear by our stances — even as they begin to crumble like a poorly baked soufflé — is driven by a variety of reasons, ranging from cognitive biases to emotional attachments to social dynamics, that make it challenging for us to accept we were mistaken. As a result, we often double down on our mistakes. The most common reason why is, perhaps, ego.

Why We Double Down On Our Arguments Even After Realizing We’re Wrong

A variety of reasons — ranging from cognitive biases to emotional attachments to social dynamics — stop us from accepting our mistakes.

www.theswaddle.com

 

[prodromos]

Because east and west directionality works the same way in a flat-earth model. Going east or west makes a big circle around a central north pole.

On the flat earth model they would have to travel in a circle, which they never do. The only way you can fly in a straigh line due East or due West and end up back where you started is on a globe.

 

[rturner76]

I posted these things in different replies but I thought they may be useful to all of the believers in a flat stationary Earth:

The internationally operated bases of operation on Antarctica and the opportunity to join an expedition to some of them are offered by the National Science Foundation. It's not just for scientists but also for artists, writers, operations and field support, active and reserve military, and public information representatives (I thought that'd be a good one for those who may want to provide information on the continent confirming its location), science assistants, and of course scientists of all kinds (that seems to be what they are looking for most to study topography, weather patterns, and a lot of geology and ocean tides, etc)
That's more detail than in my reply. For more information about the US program and the other 40 countries who signed the treaty basically nobody owns it and only representatives from the 40 treaty countries can travel there. They want to keep it untouched but there is so much potential to find natural resources, precious metals, jewels, etc. For more information on the US program go here: https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/opportun.jsp

There is also a robust program in the UK for the British Antarctic Survey for pilots, mariners and other jobs not available in the US program. More information here. Jobs in Antarctica - British Antarctic Survey

So they have the location and the ability to travel there and do. There are over 50 permanent and temporary structures with year-round programs and shorter ones. So if you can't believe that it is placed on the global map, you can literally check it out for yourselves.

/Also I wanted to mention the condition or some reasons why people can be proven wrong and dig in their heels even more and take a more extreme view of a topic that they have clearly been proven wrong about. There are a few places to go that have some theories about why this phenomenon occurs. Here are a few.

Why We Double Down On Our Arguments Even After Realizing We’re Wrong

A variety of reasons — ranging from cognitive biases to emotional attachments to social dynamics — stop us from accepting our mistakes.

www.theswaddle.com

What Is Belief Perseverance? Definition and Examples

Belief perseverance refers to people's tendency to hold on to their beliefs even when presented with evidence that discredits those beliefs.

www.thoughtco.com

The above is a good one. Here is an excerpt on the concept of "Belief Perseverance" which is a bit different than "Confirmation Bias."
"Belief perseverance is often confused with confirmation bias, but they aren’t the same thing. A confirmation bias is a bias in which people seek out and recall information that supports their preconceived beliefs. In contrast, belief perseverance doesn’t involve using information to confirm a belief, but the rejection of information that could disprove it."

I could keep posting web links but it may be more productive to do a search for either "Belief Perseverance" or "Cognitive Dissonance." There are other terms to describe this phenomenon but I challenge you guys (Flat Earthers) to take a look at some of these articles and have the courage to ask yourselves "Could I be thinking in the way described?" "Am I being objective?" Do I have a fear of allowing myself to follow the facts wherever they lead?"

I know I am probably wasting my time but if even one of you is willing to take a hard look at what do I believe this in the face of so much evidence to the contrary? I think it would be worth your time.

May God bless all of you!

 

[Apple Sky]

So you don't even believe your own eyes. You can go on there and zoom from outer space to your home. Also, what is it that makes you believe this program has no credibility specifically? Also, why would NASA have no credibility? I have proven my point but you have yet to post a single Bible verse that states the Earth is flat. What you posted was a picture of Antarctica. As you can see, with your eye, it does not surround a flat Earth. Also, I have a question. If Antarctica surrounds the Earth, where exactly is the North Pole in that scenario?

Saying "Google? Try again" in no way disproves my argument. Saying basically nuh-uh, in no way disproves my argument, Nuh-uh should be followed with provable facts as to why it is not credible information. Not only have you NOT proven your point, but you have also failed to disprove mine.

Also, this "evidence" from YouTube of no north or south pole has absolutely no scientific credibility. It is a video for delusional people to confirm other's delusions, only feeding ignorance. You can no doubt see Antarctica and you can zoom in to see the topography. Not being able to measure it the same way in the computer program in no way negates the fact that it is there. Did you know that there is an option to not only watch the Earth's rotation from 1984 to the present day, but also track cloud patterns?

I've shown you mine, now you show me your topographic photos of a flat Earth. Can you do that? Can you look at specific mountain ranges and compare them to an atlas? Have you ever used GPS or traveled on an international flight? Both can track your real-time location on the spinning globe we live on. You have shown nothing. Not a Bible verse, not real-time weather patterns, nor even a single photo of a flat Earth. Where do rockets go when they blast off?

Even in the early 20th century before satellites, we had weather balloons that showed the curvature of the Earth. How can an airplane travel travel east for 24 hours, refuel, and continue to travel east for 24 hours and return to the United States?? Why has an airplane never flown or a ship never been to Antarctica which supposedly surrounds the earth?

Game. set match.

Thank you for your long boring fairy tale, but I'll stick with God's word.

God is never wrong

Blessings

 

[prodromos]

The internationally operated bases of operation on Antarctica and the opportunity to join an expedition to some of them are offered by the National Science Foundation. It's not just for scientists but also for artists, writers, operations and field support, active and reserve military, and public information representatives (I thought that'd be a good one for those who may want to provide information on the continent confirming its location), science assistants, and of course scientists of all kinds (that seems to be what they are looking for most to study topography, weather patterns, and a lot of geology and ocean tides, etc)

Pastor Will Duffy has put up the money to fly two people to Antarctica during Summer, one from the flat earth community and one from the globe earth community, so they can witness whether the Sun is visible for 24 hours, just like it is during Summer in the Arctic. As of yet, no one from the flat earth community has taken up the offer. Flat Earth Dave (AKA David Weiss or DITRH) was originally selected but refused to go, and now Jeranism (AKA Jeran Campanella) has been selected but seems likely to back out after receiving a lot of hostility from his fellow flat earthers.

Even if it costs them nothing to go, they won't ever go. Pride won't let them, and they would rather die in the sin of Satan than admit they are wrong.

 

[prodromos]

God is never wrong

You are not God.

 

[Apple Sky]

You are not God.

I know

 

[Apple Sky]

Even if it costs them nothing to go, they won't ever go. Pride won't let them, and they would rather die in the sin of Satan than admit they are wrong.

So you admit that believing in the shape of the earth affects ones salvation ?

 

[prodromos]

So you admit that believing in the shape of the earth affects ones salvation ?

Repeating false claims, AKA bearing false witness against their neighbor, if not repented of, will lead to alienation from God.

 

[Apple Sky]

Repeating false claims, AKA bearing false witness against their neighbor, if not repented of, will lead to alienation from God.

You better repent then & quickly.

 

[Apple Sky]

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