Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Strong in Him]

It's important as there are billions who are being deceived by a spinning globe earth.

It's not in the slightest bit important.
It's not Biblical, it doesn't change the Gospel or negate our salvation. A flat earth has no power to separate us from the love of God, nor his care. It doesn't make us holier, or more like Jesus. It doesn't help us to pray. It doesn't cause the devil to flee, not tempt us or cause us to sin.
No power at all.

 

[Apple Sky]

It's not in the slightest bit important.
It's not Biblical, it doesn't change the Gospel or negate our salvation. A flat earth has no power to separate us from the love of God, nor his care. It doesn't make us holier, or more like Jesus. It doesn't help us to pray. It doesn't cause the devil to flee, not tempt us or cause us to sin.
No power at all.

Are you sure about this ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Are you sure about this ?

Positive.

 

[Apple Sky]

Positive.

King James Bible
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[Strong in Him]

King James Bible
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

What's that got to do with it?

 

[Apple Sky]

What's that got to do with it?

There's no excuse for not understanding the things that were made at creation.

 

[Strong in Him]

There's no excuse for not understanding the things that were made at creation.

Context.
Romans 1:18-21

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Wicked people supress the truth about God by their wickedness.
They don't know him - yet they have no excuse because creation itself testifies to God and his goodness. (This echoes Psalm 19:1; The heavens declare the glory of God.)

It does not say, or mean, that those who are saved, and Christians, will have their salvation taken away if they do not know exactly how the universe was created. It certainly doesn't say anything about the shaped of the earth affecting our salvation.

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[trophy33]

@Apple Sky

I am still waiting for your answer how could Erastothenes measure the earth just by looking up.

 

[d taylor]

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A creation topic (flat earth or evolution) is not a direct Eternal Life issue. As God's only condition, God requires for a person to become a permanent born again child of God. Is belief in Jesus, believing Jesus is the resurrection and the life, the promised Messiah/Son of God.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

But flat earth like evolution can keep unbelievers from believing the evidence and witness The Bible gives about God/ Jesus and Eternal Life.

Being that, if The Bible did not explain creation correct (because science says so) then why should people even believe The Bible is truth in other areas concerning life.

 

[trophy33]

Being that, if The Bible did not explain creation correct (because science says so) then why should people even believe The Bible is truth in other areas concerning life.

Bible is not a monolithic book, its an ancient library of various writings in various styles. The style of Genesis is mythological, while for example the verse you quoted is from a gospel.

Bible is a rich library of mythological narratives, sagas, legends, songs, proverbs, history, letters, prophecies, apocalyptic literature etc and we must approach each according to its nature. Also, it culturally spans for about a thousand years, so it, logically, cannot read the same wherever you open it randomly.

There is no one literary approach to everything in the Bible.

 

[Apple Sky]

There is no one literary approach to everything in the Bible

So what should we do , not believe in Genesis 1 ?

 

[d taylor]

Bible is not a monolithic book, its an ancient library of various writings in various styles. The style of Genesis is mythological, while for example the verse you quoted is from a gospel.

Bible is a rich library of mythological narratives, sagas, legends, songs, proverbs, history, letters, prophecies, apocalyptic literature etc and we must approach each according to its nature. Also, it culturally spans for about a thousand years, so it, logically, cannot read the same wherever you open it randomly.

There is no one literary approach to everything in the Bible.

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Balderdash

 

[Strong in Him]

But flat earth like evolution can keep unbelievers from believing the evidence and witness The Bible gives about God/ Jesus and Eternal Life.

I doubt that.
In my experience, if people don't believe, or want to read, the Bible it's because i) they perceive that it's out of date, ii) they don't know if they can trust the people who wrote it, iii) they believe their are mistakes in it due to the different translations, iv)the OT and NT seem to describe a very different God, v) the OT contains stories or murder, rape, genocide which are irrelevant/they don't want to know about, vi) they have discovered a website which says/someone has told them that the Bible's full of contradictions, vii) they don't believe in God so why would they want to read his word?

I have never heard anyone mention the shape of the earth as a reason for not reading, or believing.

 

[Strong in Him]

Being that, if The Bible did not explain creation correct (because science says so) then why should people even believe The Bible is truth in other areas concerning life.

The Bible was not written to explain creation, it was written to proclaim the God who created.
Hasn't anyone told you it's not a science textbook?

 

[trophy33]

So what should we do , not believe in Genesis 1 ?

Read Genesis 1 and all other biblical texts according to their purpose, time, culture and genre. Genesis 1 is a mythological drama of bronze-age Hebrews, so read it as such.

If you want more specific exposition, I already quoted Biblical dictionary with more details, but you ignored it. Look for that.

 

[trophy33]

Balderdash

Says ignorance.

 

[Apple Sky]

Read Genesis 1 and all other biblical texts according to their purpose, time, culture and genre. Genesis 1 is a mythological drama of bronze-age Hebrews, so read it as such.

If you want more specific exposition, I already quoted Biblical dictionary with more details, but you ignored it. Look for that.

I can't - sorry, but there are so many other verses in the bible that support a level earth.

 

[trophy33]

I can't - sorry, but there are so many other verses in the bible that support a level earth.

Bible is not a collection of verses. Every verse has its context in a specific chapter, in a specific book and it must be read as such.

The more random verses are put together from more different books with different genres (as I can see your list is all over the place), the more its probable such a list is a nonsense and would not stand a proper scrutiny.

P.S.: I do not dispute that Bible refers to the flat earth idea. As I do not dispute that Bible refers to thinking in our kidneys, to relatively young earth with instant creation or to a mythological Leviathan living in the seas. The authors used their cultural concepts. Those are not inspired. The point behind these concepts is inspired.

 

[Apple Sky]

P.S.: I do not dispute that Bible refers to the flat earth idea. As I do not dispute that Bible refers to thinking in our kidneys, to relatively young earth with instant creation or to a mythological Leviathan living in the seas. The authors used their cultural concepts. Those are not inspired. The point behind these concepts is inspired.

What do you think to the story of Jonah or the talking donkey ?