Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[lifepsyop]

These verses say absolutely NOTHING about a flat Earth. Why do you continue to let yourself be deceived? Is it a style, a cult, or just some kind of special club that you feel a part of? The Bible says nothing like the Earth is flat and your Biblical quotes fall flat as well. Why not see sense? You do know that a sphere is also a circle in 3 dimensions. This is some kind of fad. Why do you believe this farce?

"flat earth" is just a term of convenience that essentially means a stationary earth set on a foundation, with defined boundaries, ("ends of the earth") ..with an up-side, which the luminaries move around in a geocentric cosmos.

Can you guess how many cosmology/creation related verses in the Bible describe that kind of system? All of them.

What Does the Bible Say About The Earth Is Flat?

Bible verses about The Earth Is Flat

www.openbible.info

(That's why there's even such a thing as ancient Biblical cosmology, because it's the picture everyone drew from the earth and cosmos descriptions in the Bible. Biblical cosmology - Wikipedia)



Zero Bible verses have any implication of a spherical earth that moves through space around the sun.



So, what's wrong with celebrating God's handiwork as it is written in the Bible?

Next you're going to say "it's all just symbolism!" but the thing about symbolism is it always points to the true quality of something. It is not deceptive. As I mentioned in an earlier post.. the Biblical authors could have easily used symbolism that pointed towards a spherical earth in a heliocentric system. But they never did that.

 

[prodromos]

Can you admit that there is nothing about any observed atmospheric refraction that leads you to think that the earth is spherical?

Atmospheric refraction simply allows us to see things that would otherwise be hidden beyond the horizon, hidden because the earth curves. You seem to think atmospheric refraction arbitrarily bends light up or down when as a rule it only bends light down. You can have light bending up in the thin band of air just above a hot surface, but that cannot explain the Chicago skyline

In other words... your globe-earth model either explains the phenomenon or it doesn't. Which is it?

You are trying to argue a strawman. I'm not interested in arguing against what you falsely claim is my argument.

If not, then we can move on because there is no point in arguing over non-evidence for our worldviews, is there?

I've provided plenty of evidence for the globe view which you have not been able to refute. If you wish to argue, then argue against what I have posted, not what you falsely claim as my argument.

 

[rturner76]

There's a difference between a circle & ball ...........

Is a sphere not circular? Is it a square? Is it a Trapezoid? Is it a 3-dimensional circle? Why are you hanging on to this farce? A sphere is the epitome of a circle. I don't understand how you can comprehend things like the internet but not comprehend how you live on a globe.

 

[prodromos]

Is a sphere not circular? Is it a square? Is it a Trapezoid? Is it a 3-dimensional circle? Why are you hanging on to this farce? A sphere is the epitome of a circle. I don't understand how you can comprehend things like the internet but not comprehend how you live on a globe.

It has to be spiritually harmful, because when they can't respond to our arguments, they find it necessary to lie about what we are arguing, like lifepsyop has been doing above. How can someone be a child of light when they bear false witness?

 

[rturner76]

So, what's wrong with celebrating God's handiwork as it is written in the Bible?

I do it every day on a sperical planet that rotates around the sun like the other planets in our solar system.

Next you're going to say "it's all just symbolism!"

No, actually I want to say how can you be so unaware of satellite real-time footage. Have you ever used GPS? Have you ever taken a flight overseas? This is such a simple concept but you seem to ignore all logic and facts. I challenge you to produce even one Bible verse that confirms that the Earth is flat. You can't because nowhere in the Bible does it state that the Earth is flat. this is some kind of fad that has gotten out of control. I think it has something to do with people wanting to believe that they possess some secret knowledge that 99% percent of the world doesn't know about but it is a complete delusion.

 

[Apple Sky]

These verses say absolutely NOTHING about a flat Earth. Why do you continue to let yourself be deceived? Is it a style, a cult, or just some kind of special club that you feel a part of? The Bible says nothing like the Earth is flat and your Biblical quotes fall flat as well. Why not see sense? You do know that a sphere is also a circle in 3 dimensions. This is some kind of fad. Why do you believe this farce?

So are you now saying a sphere is not circular? Is it square? Is it rectangular? Is it a trapezoid? Of course, a ball is circular. How do you get through life believing in such delusions? Are you friends with people who believe this in the physical, not online world? How do everyday people you work with and spend time with react to your delusion? Are the sympathetic? Do they just shake their heads and say whatever? How do people react to this way of thinking in person? I am really curious how people in your everyday life treat you when they find out you can't comprehend a spherical Earth when you can look at it in real time.

Is being contrary to all proven facts and logic somehow entertaining?

I'll post it again........

 

[Apple Sky]

Why do you continue to let yourself be deceived? Is it a style, a cult, or just some kind of special club that you feel a part of?

Because it is the truth.

The Bible says nothing like the Earth is flat and your Biblical quotes fall flat as well.

Oh but it does & they don't.

So are you now saying a sphere is not circular?

The Bible never mentions a sphere.

Is being contrary to all proven facts and logic somehow entertaining?

Your spinning Globe is not a proven fact, if it were, someone somewhere could surely prove it.

 

[Lost4words]

I'll post it again........

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Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation....

 

[Apple Sky]

Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation....

Can't deny scripture.

 

[Lost4words]

Can't deny scripture.

Nope, very true but, your interpretation of God's word is extremely wide of the mark my friend...

Look how many wars there have been on how someone sees God's word compared to others?

 

[Apple Sky]

Nope, very true but, your interpretation of God's word is extremely wide of the mark my friend...

I don't think so.

 

[lifepsyop]

Atmospheric refraction simply allows us to see things that would otherwise be hidden beyond the horizon, hidden because the earth curves.

Atmospheric refraction simply dictates the apparent rising or falling of the observer's horizon line. The thing about "earth curve" is just your personal belief that you are throwing in there at the end, not a necessary consequence of what we observe with refraction.


I've already shown you demonstrations of atmospheric refraction hiding objects (going below the horizon) or revealing objects (going above the horizon), at distances no larger than the length of a building, which clearly has nothing to do with an "earth curve"

(there's several more refraction test videos on the same channel)

You seem to think atmospheric refraction arbitrarily bends light up or down when as a rule it only bends light down. You can have light bending up in the thin band of air just above a hot surface, but that cannot explain the Chicago skyline

No, I never claimed it was arbitrary. I'm just pointing out how irrelevant a globe-earth model is to the phenomenon. I am watching a micro version of the "chicago skyline" in the refraction tests above.

You are projecting your beliefs about the shape of the earth onto an observation that does not require it.

 

[lifepsyop]

Look how many wars there have been on how someone sees God's word compared to others?

Look how many people have used the heliocentric/spinning earth model as an excuse to deny the authority of Jesus.

"Science disproved the Bible, I don't have to believe in the Gospel," is the defining sentiment and prevailing attitude of the modern world, that heaps all the glory and praise onto the wisdom and enlightenment of men.

Perhaps this was always the danger in denying the cosmology and history revealed to us in scripture. The overthrowing of Biblical authority. Atheists / Secularists have always known that's what it meant.

Much of scripture is focused directly on the immense awe and praise of God for his creation of the world, which is often described with detail. Why couldn't the authors have simply used symbolism to convey the meaning of an earth moving around the sun, or an earth shaped like a ball?

 

[Yttrium]

"Science disproved the Bible, I don't have to believe in the Gospel," is the defining sentiment and prevailing attitude of the modern world, that heaps all the glory and praise onto the wisdom and enlightenment of men.

The conflicts between science and scripture that turn people away from the Bible have nothing to do with a globe or flat Earth. They relate to a global flood, the age of the Earth, or the creation events in Genesis.

Getting to a flat Earth isn't due to a sound reading of scripture, it's due to a large dose of conspiracy theory.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Any fluid drifting in space will form a sphere because of surface tension. It is the most efficient form. So stars and planets that started out molten are pretty much spherical though not perfectly because of other force.

"Gravity draws matter in from all directions, which clumps together and forms a round shape that looks the same from all directions. The shape that meets all these criteria is a sphere."

https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/space-science/why-are-planets-round

 

[lifepsyop]

The conflicts between science and scripture that turn people away from the Bible have nothing to do with a globe or flat Earth. They relate to a global flood, the age of the Earth, or the creation events in Genesis.

Wagging the dog a bit there. It is because of the original exaltation of "Science" in the "age of Enlightenment" via Heliocentrism / Newtonianism, etc. raising up "Science" and "Reason" as the ultimate authority on things that subsequently led to people rejecting Biblical history for an evolutionary history.

It is the spinning globe earth belief which set the scene for the Copernican Principle and Big-Bang cosmology. Evolution is just a logical extension of a Copernican universe of matter flying through space.

Getting to a flat Earth isn't due to a sound reading of scripture, it's due to a large dose of conspiracy theory.

It actually takes incredible mental gymnastics to avoid a "Flat Earth" / Geocentric interpretation.

If you don't want to see it, then the only place to retreat to is to just throw up your hands and say the Bible is only a bunch of poetry and symbolism that doesn't reflect anything of reality other than a bunch of bronze-age goat herders' imaginations.

Or we can accept scripture as divinely inspired and divine revelation given to us by the Creator.. The Creator who apparently wants us to know about the particularities of His creation and praise Him for it... If it makes men liars, then so be it.

Of course, the irony is that if anyone is able to step out of the Copernican model of the cosmos, then they realize there was never any particularly good evidence for a spinning globe-earth in the first place, and virtually everyone, (including navigators, pilots, areonautical engineers, etc.) still perform every function as if they lived on a stationary, "flat" earth.

The supposed "curve" of a spherical earth is a useless non-factor in peoples' lives. Its only real utility has been to overthrow the authority of scripture. Nobody has any regard for it otherwise, other than feeling empowered to make fun of those ignorant religious "science-deniers" who take their Bibles too literally.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If you don't want to see it, then the only place to retreat to is to just throw up your hands and say the Bible is only a bunch of poetry and symbolism that doesn't reflect anything of reality other than a bunch of bronze-age goat herders' imaginations.

It is unfortunate that so many people hold such a view. As if poetry and symbolism are somehow less expressive and less capable of inspiring others with the deeper mysteries of how God works on our world and speaks through people of different times and cultures. Why would you think that your imagination is any more important than bronze-age goat herders' imaginations?

 

[Lost4words]

Look how many people have used the heliocentric/spinning earth model as an excuse to deny the authority of Jesus.

"Science disproved the Bible, I don't have to believe in the Gospel," is the defining sentiment and prevailing attitude of the modern world, that heaps all the glory and praise onto the wisdom and enlightenment of men.

Perhaps this was always the danger in denying the cosmology and history revealed to us in scripture. The overthrowing of Biblical authority. Atheists / Secularists have always known that's what it meant.

Much of scripture is focused directly on the immense awe and praise of God for his creation of the world, which is often described with detail. Why couldn't the authors have simply used symbolism to convey the meaning of an earth moving around the sun, or an earth shaped like a ball?

Flat is not Biblical.

Its 'Your' interpretation of scripture that comes out with a flat earth my friend!

 

[lifepsyop]

It is unfortunate that so many people hold such a view. As if poetry and symbolism are somehow less expressive and less capable of inspiring others with the deeper mysteries of how God works on our world and speaks through people of different times and cultures.

The whole point of symbolism's expressive power is that it's pointing towards the truth of something, not away from it. When the sun is described as a chariot running circuits around the heavens, the symbolism is pointing towards the speed and motion of the sun, not the speed and motion of the earth.

It would be easy to use heliocentric symbolism or spinning earth symbolism, but that never happens because it would be expressing something false. Why symbolize the earth as something in motion if it is in fact at rest on a foundation?

Why would you think that your imagination is any more important than bronze-age goat herders' imaginations?

I don't believe it was their imaginations. I believe they were communicating divinely inspired revelation by our Creator, and using the power of symbolism to do so.

Where were any of us when God laid the foundation of the earth? (Job 38:4)

 

[HantsUK]

Of course, the irony is that if anyone is able to step out of the Copernican model of the cosmos, then they realize there was never any particularly good evidence for a spinning globe-earth in the first place, and virtually everyone, (including navigators, pilots, areonautical engineers, etc.) still perform every function as if they lived on a stationary, "flat" earth.

Anyone trying to navigate on a flat earth as if it was a globe will end up in the wrong place. Or the opposite - navigate on a globe pretending it was flat. Getting it wrong will get you lost!

The evidence that the earth is a globe is overwhelming.

The supposed "curve" of a spherical earth is a useless non-factor in peoples' lives. Its only real utility has been to overthrow the authority of scripture. Nobody has any regard for it otherwise, other than feeling empowered to make fun of those ignorant religious "science-deniers" who take their Bibles too literally.

Perhaps not. But it does effect many things that directly impact on our daily lives, from long haul flights to microwave radio communications, satellite TV.

Did God create a real world? Or an illusion?