About those shootings.

[jimmyjimmy]

There probably should be institutional social outreach for gang members, and maybe alternative activities readily available. There needs to be steps toward solutions.

So, this as someone else's fault. Because someone (probably some white people) don't provide "alternative activities" for gang members, nothing will change. They MUST be gang members because there is no alternative.

Unbelievable.

 

[FredVB]

So, this as someone else's fault. Because someone (probably some white people) don't provide "alternative activities" for gang members, nothing will change. They MUST be gang members because there is no alternative.
Unbelievable.

Wow. Chip on the shoulder?

That was reading way more in what was posted than what was being said.

I do hope to respond with Christ-likeness, that I think is what there should be, with being pardoned.

 

[possibletarian]

Should we get our undies in a wad over the spate of gangland shootings that are occurring in large cities like Chicago and Baltimore? Or should we stand back and let them solve this problem themselves through attrition?

"I don't mind shootings, as long as the right people get shot." -Dirty Harry.

I must admit there is a part of me that would not be overly upset if that happened, like others have said it's the collateral damage that concerns me.

 

[FredVB]

There probably should be institutional social outreach for gang members, and maybe alternative activities readily available. There needs to be steps toward solutions.

Some are criminally minded, in all classes in any segment of society. But there are places some of such influence others to join in collusion and activity dangerous to their segment of society, which is what happens in "ganglands", for there are not such streetgangs forming in every segment of society, or even in most. Such that are influenced might yet remain innocent of that involvement, if they find ways of belonging in meaningful group activity that is more desirable. This could be with such alternatives as afterschool programs that are incorporated in some places. And as in The Cross and the Switchblade, with Wilkerson, and the Victory Outreach, there are useful practices to reach out to some already involved in gangs, for betterment. There wasn't hope to many for such betterment before that example, it not good to go back to that level of hopelessness, when there is that and possible ways otherwise for having intervening approaches to reach people in such environments and in such activities.

Institutional outreach......prison.
Alternative activities...... making license plates.

Trial and with due process prison would be right for those who commited hard crimes. There are others who haven't come to such who can still be reached, with the right approaches in place to reach such, with people involved that want to do this, this is redemption that is desirable for such that would be in "ganglands" where there is that influence to them.

"I don't mind shootings, as long as the right people get shot." -Dirty Harry.

That's a funny line, for having in a script. But the issue is that it is not ever just the right people being shot.

 

[Hank77]

Drug arrests are easy and putting them in jail helps score easy political points.

It also provides laborers for the privately owned industrial corporate prison system.

 

[Hank77]

Have you read Romans 1? God lets people have their way. He "turns them over".

Not children and that is where this all begins.

 

[Archie Dupont]

I disagree. God loves us all, sinners and saints, gangsters and innocent children. We may not have a practical answer, but it is ALWAYS a tragedy, even when it is "only" the gangsters who are killed. They are somebody's and Somebody's children, and even though fallen and corrupted, their lives are of value.

And if it was suicidal people? Or homosexuals?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some are criminally minded, in all classes in any segment of society. But there are places some of such influence others to join in collusion and activity dangerous to their segment of society, which is what happens in "ganglands", for there are not such streetgangs forming in every segment of society, or even in most. Such that are influenced might yet remain innocent of that involvement, if they find ways of belonging in meaningful group activity that is more desirable. This could be with such alternatives as afterschool programs that are incorporated in some places. And as in The Cross and the Switchblade, with Wilkerson, and the Victory Outreach, there are useful practices to reach out to some already involved in gangs, for betterment. There wasn't hope to many for such betterment before that example, it not good to go back to that level of hopelessness, when there is that and possible ways otherwise for having intervening approaches to reach people in such environments and in such activities.



Trial and with due process prison would be right for those who commited hard crimes. There are others who haven't come to such who can still be reached, with the right approaches in place to reach such, with people involved that want to do this, this is redemption that is desirable for such that would be in "ganglands" where there is that influence to them.

"I don't mind shootings, as long as the right people get shot." -Dirty Harry.

That's a funny line, for having in a script. But the issue is that it is not ever just the right people being shot.

We don't like crime but are unable to deal effectively with it. We are unable even to take vehicles away from repeat drunk drivers. What hope do we have of solving bigger problems.

 

[“Paisios”]

And if it was suicidal people? Or homosexuals?

God doesn’t love them less, doesn’t value them less, and nor should we. All people are made in the image of God (distorted by sin as we may be), and all lives are of value.

 

[FredVB]

Some are criminally minded, in all classes in any segment of society. But there are places some of such influence others to join in collusion and activity dangerous to their segment of society, which is what happens in "ganglands", for there are not such streetgangs forming in every segment of society, or even in most. Such that are influenced might yet remain innocent of that involvement, if they find ways of belonging in meaningful group activity that is more desirable. This could be with such alternatives as afterschool programs that are incorporated in some places. And as in The Cross and the Switchblade, with Wilkerson, and the Victory Outreach, there are useful practices to reach out to some already involved in gangs, for betterment. There wasn't hope to many for such betterment before that example, it not good to go back to that level of hopelessness, when there is that and possible ways otherwise for having intervening approaches to reach people in such environments and in such activities.

Trial and with due process prison would be right for those who commited hard crimes. There are others who haven't come to such who can still be reached, with the right approaches in place to reach such, with people involved that want to do this, this is redemption that is desirable for such that would be in "ganglands" where there is that influence to them.

"I don't mind shootings, as long as the right people get shot." -Dirty Harry.

That's a funny line, for having in a script. But the issue is that it is not ever just the right people being shot.

We don't like crime but are unable to deal effectively with it. We are unable even to take vehicles away from repeat drunk drivers. What hope do we have of solving bigger problems.

Though there are great troubles, some of which others don't even want to hear, that I speak about, I am not so pessimistic, though such don't hear that I am saying there are positive things to do. Those who don't willingly hear don't want the extreme action taken where it will be called for, even though that will be needed.

In this case, we can't stop crime generally so that there isn't any, in this world, if we take great steps there are some ways we can find to deal with it so that crimes are reduced. We need willingness to take such steps.

We can even deal more effectively with repeat drunk driving.

 

[FredVB]

We are not even living with sustainable ways, with our civilization, and troubles from that will make the civilization very unstable, of which there are already signs, with coming crises from that. Speaking of this is what is seen as pessimistic communication. But it is reality for which honest communication is needed, and it is not pessimistic with positive steps that are being promoted with it, though such won't be heard usually because those will be drastic change as needed. It is not the topic here, but it is critical that such will be discussed, it will be very important. To relate it to the topic here, we need a newer society many could come to, not dependent on the ways of this civilization, that could be much more sustainable, and with parameters that have provision enough for those in it while providing for justice, even if just exclusion, that discourages rogue activity that undermines or is detrimental to the community. Yes, consideration of positive steps needs to include thought for new alternatives.