About Sabbath

[Not David]

You have provided an opinion outside of scripture that is not biblical.

Where does it say I have to hate Sunday worship?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where does it say I have to hate Sunday worship?

In the same place it says Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath from Exodus 20:8-11 has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest - No where.

 

[klutedavid]

If you have faith in Jesus you do what He asks. If you love Jesus you will keep His commandments John 14:15

John also goes on the say those that “do” His commandments enter into life. Not my words....

Revelation 22:14 4 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Here are the commandments that John listed.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Have you got the right commandments?

 

[klutedavid]

In the same place it says Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath from Exodus 20:8-11 has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest - No where.

No one rests on Sunday.

We gather on Sunday to break bread and celebrate the risen Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No one rests on Sunday.We gather on Sunday to break bread and celebrate the risen Christ.

True, God's rest day is the "seventh day" of the week or the Sabbath day given to mankind from Jesus in Mark 2:17 from Genesis 2:1-3. This also being God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 7:7, James 2:10-11 and 1 John 3:4. Sunday worship on the other hand is a teaching and tradition of men that is not biblical. Jesus warns us about following man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9. The question we all need to answer for ourselves therefore is who should I believe and follow; God or man *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

 

[klutedavid]

True, God's rest day is the "seventh day" of the week or the Sabbath day given to mankind from Jesus in Mark 2:17 from Genesis 2:1-3. This also being God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 7:7, James 2:10-11 and 1 John 3:4. Sunday worship on the other hand is a teaching and tradition of men that is not biblical. Jesus warns us about following man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9. The question we all need to answer for ourselves therefore is who should I believe and follow; God or man *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

You can gather and worship Jesus on Friday and Monday also. Increasing fellowship is a top priority. Show me in the New Testament, where it is a sin to gather and worship, on any other day than say the Sabbath.

Thou shall not gather and worship Jesus on Monday.
Thou shall not gather and break bread on Tuesday.

 

[HIM]

This place again......If they shall enter into my rest

He is quoting from Psalm 95 again, hence, this place in the Scripture again. Hence, taking us back to verse 3, not 4.

No it actually says "And in this again" in the Greek in verse 5. The word place is not in the original. Here look.

and in this once more
και εν τουτω παλιν


It only makes sense grammatically to refer back to His speaking.

And as was said. How did He speak it?

He spoke it at Mt Sinai as a commandment. Those who enter into the Gospel rest Also cease from their own works AS God did from His.

The word "also" in verse 10 denotes two things. The Rest which is the Gospel and the Seventh Day in which verse 4 and 5 says God SPOKE OF.

The word "as" in verse 10 says this ceasing from work that we do is the same type of ceasing that God did. God did not enter into a Spiritually Rest. He is always in that state He is God.


Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath keeping to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[HIM]

You can gather and worship Jesus on Friday and Monday also. Increasing fellowship is a top priority. Show me in the New Testament, where it is a sin to gather and worship, on any other day than say the Sabbath.

Thou shall not gather and worship Jesus on Monday.
Thou shall not gather and break bread on Tuesday.

Hi klutedavid, the Sabbath is for Rest as you say. It is also a day for communion with God and Family in and through His holiness.

Nothing has changed in this.

As you say though we can gather and worship any Day. It is encouraged.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You can gather and worship Jesus on Friday and Monday also. Increasing fellowship is a top priority. Show me in the New Testament, where it is a sin to gather and worship, on any other day than say the Sabbath.

Thou shall not gather and worship Jesus on Monday.
Thou shall not gather and break bread on Tuesday.

No one said it was a sin to worship God every day. This is what the disciples did in Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 and so we should. Gods' Word however (not me) says it is a sin to break anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4 and Gods' 4th commandment is one of them according to the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11).

 

[klutedavid]

No one said it was a sin to worship God every day. This is what the disciples did in Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 and so we should. Gods' Word however (not me) says it is a sin to break anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4 and Gods' 4th commandment is one of them according to the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11).

I am not talking about worshiping Jesus on any day of the week. Rather when the church gathers to break bread and worship Jesus.

You said, "Sunday worship on the other hand is a teaching and tradition of men that is not biblical"

As I said in the previous post, you can gather and worship Jesus on any day of the week. I cannot see any difference between having a Sunday service or a Thursday service. We are not talking about a day of rest for twenty four hours. We are talking about something entirely different here. We celebrate the risen Christ and that has nothing to do with some Jewish Sabbath obligation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I am not talking about worshiping Jesus on any day of the week. Rather when the church gathers to break bread and worship Jesus.

You said, "Sunday worship on the other hand is a teaching and tradition of men that is not biblical"

As I said in the previous post, you can gather and worship Jesus on any day of the week. I cannot see any difference between having a Sunday service or a Thursday service. We are not talking about a day of rest for twenty four hours. We are talking about something entirely different here. We celebrate the risen Christ and that has nothing to do with some Jewish Sabbath obligation.

No context to what I said was Sunday worship in place of Gods' 4th commandment. Sin is the difference in the context of our discussion here. Not if we worship God every day of the week. Sunday worship however is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to disregard and forget Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures in James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20 when God tells us to "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Most of the world has forgotten Gods Word in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandment of God. Jesus warns us about doing this in Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we be following; God or man? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am not talking about worshiping Jesus on any day of the week. Rather when the church gathers to break bread and worship Jesus.

You said, "Sunday worship on the other hand is a teaching and tradition of men that is not biblical"

As I said in the previous post, you can gather and worship Jesus on any day of the week. I cannot see any difference between having a Sunday service or a Thursday service. We are not talking about a day of rest for twenty four hours. We are talking about something entirely different here. We celebrate the risen Christ and that has nothing to do with some Jewish Sabbath obligation.

According to Jesus Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27. Which does not say Sabbath was made for Jews only, man = all. The Sabbath according to God is THE holy day, not a holy day. Exodus 20:8-11.

 

[klutedavid]

No context to what I said was Sunday worship in place of Gods' 4th commandment. Sin is the difference in the context of our discussion here. Not if we worship God every day of the week. Sunday worship however is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to disregard and forget Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures in James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20 when God tells us to "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Most of the world has forgotten Gods Word in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandment of God. Jesus warns us about doing this in Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we be following; God or man? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29

Regardless of the interpretation of the scripture that any church organization may proclaim. The apostles decided that the Gentiles were never required to obey the law of Moses. Here is what the Gentiles that believe in Jesus are commanded to follow.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

Anyone who disregards this instruction from the apostles to the Gentiles, is at enmity with God Himself.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Regardless of the interpretation of the scripture that any church organization may proclaim. The apostles decided that the Gentiles were never required to obey the law of Moses. Here is what the Gentiles that believe in Jesus are commanded to follow.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

Anyone who disregards this instruction from the apostles to the Gentiles, is at enmity with God Himself.

That interpretation is not biblical David but allow me explain why from the scriptures.

You have Paul contracting himself when sometime latter he goes to the Corinthians believers and says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" - 1 Corinthians 7:19.

The question being answered in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 is in regards to "is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for salvation?" The question being discussed in Jerusalem was never "are God's 10 commandments are requirement for Christian living?" like some try and teach.

I am sure you do not think that it is ok for Gentile believers to go out and lie, steal, commit adultery and murder now do you which are also not written in Acts of the Apostles 15? Your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul contradicting himself in 1 Corinthians 7:19 so you may want to go back and rethink, your view on Acts of the Apostles 15.

Hope this helps.

HAPPY SABBATH ALL

 

[BobRyan]

Regardless of the interpretation of the scripture that any church organization may proclaim. The apostles decided that the Gentiles were never required to obey the law of Moses.

1. No such text in all of scripture.
2. Acts 15 is very explicit on the point that the key to not making up a man-made rule telling gentiles “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” they could rely on scripture alone since "Moses has those who preach him in every city, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Jesus' teaching was "if they will not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" Luke 16.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" NASB

Read this part of what the Gentiles that believe in Jesus are commanded to follow in Rom 13 - just as stated by Christ before the cross in Matt 19.

And notice that it is still a sin - even for gentiles "to take God's name in vain"

 

[klutedavid]

1. No such text in all of scripture.
2. Acts 15 is very explicit on the point that the key to not making up a man-made rule telling gentiles “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” they could rely on scripture alone since "Moses has those who preach him in every city, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Jesus' teaching was "if they will not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" Luke 16.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" NASB

Read this part of what the Gentiles that believe in Jesus are commanded to follow in Rom 13 - just as stated by Christ before the cross in Matt 19.

And notice that it is still a sin - even for gentiles "to take God's name in vain"

1. No such text in all of scripture.
2. Acts 15 is very explicit on the point that the key to not making up a man-made rule telling gentiles “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” they could rely on scripture alone since "Moses has those who preach him in every city, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Jesus' teaching was "if they will not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" Luke 16.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" NASB

Read this part of what the Gentiles that believe in Jesus are commanded to follow in Rom 13 - just as stated by Christ before the cross in Matt 19.

And notice that it is still a sin - even for gentiles "to take God's name in vain"

Are you saying that you can eat meat from a strangled animal?

 

[BobRyan]

Are you saying that you can eat meat from a strangled animal?

Why would I say that? even Acts 15 says gentiles cannot do that.

 

[klutedavid]

That interpretation is not biblical David but allow me explain why from the scriptures.

You have Paul contracting himself when sometime latter he goes to the Corinthians believers and says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" - 1 Corinthians 7:19.

The question being answered in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 is in regards to "is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for salvation?" The question being discussed in Jerusalem was never "are God's 10 commandments are requirement for Christian living?" like some try and teach.

I am sure you do not think that it is ok for Gentile believers to go out and lie, steal, commit adultery and murder now do you which are also not written in Acts of the Apostles 15? Your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul contradicting himself in 1 Corinthians 7:19 so you may want to go back and rethink, your view on Acts of the Apostles 15.

Hope this helps.

HAPPY SABBATH ALL

Your interpretation only examines half of the text and is not Biblical.

Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”

See LGW, the Jerusalem Council dealt with both circumcision and the law at the same time.

You have the wrong set of commandments.

 

[klutedavid]

Why would I say that? even Acts 15 says gentiles cannot do that.

Acts 15 is the instruction of the apostles to all Gentile churches.

We only need to obey those four rules and we will do well.

You keep saying the ten commandments but the apostles only gave us four rules.

I cannot find where the apostles said we have to obey the ten commandments.

Who is right and who is wrong?

 

[BobRyan]

Are you saying that you can eat meat from a strangled animal?

Why would I say that? even Acts 15 says gentiles cannot do that.

Acts 15 is the instruction of the apostles to all Gentile churches.

And it does not say
"delete your Bible"
nor "it is now ok for you to take God's name in vain"

You keep saying the ten commandments but the apostles only gave us four rules.

But not "Love God with all your heart"
and not "Love your neighbor as yourself"
and not "do not take God's name in vain"

None of those are in Acts 15... so what's your point? "delete your Bible"??

On "page 1" we saw that some Bible details are sooooo obious that Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath/Sunday debate topic freely admit to them (in almost all major Christian denominations) - see this post-- #11 for "the easy part" of this topic.