About Jesus being the only way?

[Neogaia777]

According to God's word, we can know whether we are saved:

“the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,” (Eph 1:18 NKJV)

“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.” (1Jo 5:13 NKJV)

2 Corinthians 5:10- "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

 

[David Lamb]

2 Corinthians 5:10- "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

True, but our salvation does not depend upon our own righteousness:

“and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:9 NKJV)

 

[Neogaia777]

True, but our salvation does not depend upon our own righteousness:

“and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:9 NKJV)

You are very correct, it doesn't depend on our own works/righteousness, but there are some on this thread that still don't think they're ever going to be judged, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

You are very correct, it doesn't depend on our own works/righteousness, but there are some on this thread that still don't think they're ever going to be judged, etc.

God Bless.

I think we all can agree that Paul was not at all about a works based saving/righteousness, but yet he also came up with things to say like that is in 2 Corinthians 5:10 also? So was he contradicting his own beliefs?

God Bless.

 

[d taylor]

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Without being present when every man/person and everything is judged, we don't get to learn about God's true justice, or how God knows/judges/discerns true good from true evil, and that is the one and only reason for it really, it's all for us and not at all for him, etc, and it is not at all to be feared for the real christian. I'm sorry that you all fear it so much/bad, etc. It's one of the only ways that God can teach us true good, from true bad, I'm sorry you all fear it so bad. It's a part of our education that needs to happen before we can enter heaven, etc.

Even if you yourself are not judged because of Jesus, you still need to be there and be present when everything and everyone else is, etc. This is why I say that when all of us die, we will all arrive, and we will all be standing together at the judgement, but just as a vital part of our education before we can enter heaven, etc. That will be the only reason it's even taking place, or is even happening that way. It's not at all for God, but is only for us, etc. And it's not at all to be feared for the believer, etc.

Or are you going to disagree with the Bible now?

2 Corinthians 5:10- "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

The only difference for the believer, is that he/she receives mercy for the bad.

God Bless.

And here are some more Bible verses for you, in case you want some additional reading.

1 Corinthians 4:5

Luke 12:2

Hebrews 4:13

This will be the purpose of the judgement, and for standing before the judgement, is so we can all know true good and bad, or the (hidden) secrets of all hearts (including our own) before entering heaven, etc.

It's not for God, but is for us (God doesn't need to know what he already knows, or already has full knowledge of already, and already has since time began, etc) but it is for us, so we will all finally know the very, very difficult and very confusing subject of both good and bad, etc. That we already tried to know on our own fully, but proved to be an utter disaster for us, and ultimately destroyed us really, etc.

God Bless.

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The judgment seat of The Messiah, is a judgment for born again children of God only. This judgement is only for the giving out or the loss of rewards, for how a believer lived their life as a born again child of God.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[Neogaia777]

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The judgment seat of The Messiah, is a judgment for born again children of God only. This judgement is only for the giving out or the loss of rewards, for how a believer lived their life as a born again child of God.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I don't think we can know for sure whether or not the the judgement seat of Christ, and standing before it, is only for the believer only or not, but it's and interesting theory I guess?

Do you think the GWT judgement is just only for the believer only?

I could probably find quite a few scriptures against this, but I really just don't care right now I guess.

To me, the judgement seat of Christ is no different from the judgement seat of God I guess.

Romans 14:10-12 is what I can find at the moment without doing some more research/work. Depending on the translation, they use judgment seat of God and Christ interchangeably, etc.

But there is the GWT judgement also, which we know will be Jesus doing the judging, and for which we know will be everybody, and also where it says "every knee shall bow and tongue shall confess" we know is for believers and non-believers alike also, and for which Christ will also be doing the judging, etc. But some scriptures, depending on the translation, use judgement seat of God and Christ, both interchangeably, as if they are one in the same, etc.

Matthew 25: 31-32 was another one I just found, Jesus taking a "seat on his throne" (judgement seat of Christ?) any judging "all of the nations" (everybody maybe?)

Anyway, that's all I care to do right now.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I still think it's required for us all to be present when everything and everyone (else?) is being judged before any of us can enter heaven. In order to know God's real true judgements, and so we can all know real good from real bad before we can enter heaven.

How long has humankind/mankind been so very, very much confused about good and bad? and how still very, very much confused is he about it today still after all of that? Been a long time, hasn't it? And with very little progress with it also, etc. And don't any of you wonder why that is? Because I don't think it's due to his lack of trying in getting to know it, etc. But it's just that every single time he tries to explore it, he finds that there are just way, way, way "too many factors" that need to be figured out/considered into all of it, etc. Well, that's what I think the judgement is for actually, is so that all of us can finally get to know/fully understand all of that, etc. Because we know it's not for God's benefit, etc. So then, for what other reason would be any of the judgements? And don't you think we would all need to be present for all of that, etc?

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I guess you've all got me now questioning if I either will or will not be judged for anything? Maybe the Lord/God will not have even one single thing that he will hold against me? Maybe I'll get off 100% completely scott free? But, however, or whatever way it goes (I don't think I can right now say) but however or whichever way it goes, judged or not judged for anything, or let off 100% completely scott free, I'm still going to accept God's judgement in any of it or all of it always anyway, etc.

But I still do think we all still do need to be present for the judgement of everyone else and everything else though still regardless, for reasons I have already mentioned in my post/reply above this one just now, before we can enter heaven, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

You are very correct, it doesn't depend on our own works/righteousness, but there are some on this thread that still don't think they're ever going to be judged, etc.

Being judged for our sins and being asked to give an account of our lives, how we have used our gifts, etc, are different things.
Christians will not experience the former - we have Jesus who died for us. But we will have to give an account of our lives, how we have lived, etc.

So yes, I do know 100% that I am saved.
Scripture tells me I will still have to account for how I have used my new life in Christ - I don't dispute that.

 

[Neogaia777]

Being judged for our sins and being asked to give an account of our lives, how we have used our gifts, etc, are different things.
Christians will not experience the former - we have Jesus who died for us. But we will have to give an account of our lives, how we have lived, etc.

So yes, I do know 100% that I am saved.
Scripture tells me I will still have to account for how I have used my new life in Christ - I don't dispute that.

K, thanks.

God Bless.

 

[d taylor]

I don't think we can know for sure whether or not the the judgement seat of Christ, and standing before it, is only for the believer only or not, but it's and interesting theory I guess?

Do you think the GWT judgement is just only for the believer only?

I could probably find quite a few scriptures against this, but I really just don't care right now I guess.

To me, the judgement seat of Christ is no different from the judgement seat of God I guess.

Romans 14:10-12 is what I can find at the moment without doing some more research/work. Depending on the translation, they use judgment seat of God and Christ interchangeably, etc.

But there is the GWT judgement also, which we know will be Jesus doing the judging, and for which we know will be everybody, and also where it says "every knee shall bow and tongue shall confess" we know is for believers and non-believers alike also, and for which Christ will also be doing the judging, etc. But some scriptures, depending on the translation, use judgement seat of God and Christ, both interchangeably, as if they are one in the same, etc.

Matthew 25: 31-32 was another one I just found, Jesus taking a "seat on his throne" (judgement seat of Christ?) any judging "all of the nations" (everybody maybe?)

Anyway, that's all I care to do right now.

God Bless.

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A person can know and a born again believer should know. The bema seat judgment of The Messiah is for believers only.

The great white throne judgment is for unbelievers only, as it is stated the dead are raised. Born again children of God are not dead, they have crossed over from death to life at the very moment they believed in Jesus for Eternal life.

Even the sheep and goats is not a judgement to see who is a sheep and who is a goat. That is already established the people are already either a sheep or a goat, they are divided because they are going in different directions.

 

[Neogaia777]

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A person can know and a born again believer should know. The bema seat judgment of The Messiah is for believers only.

The great white throne judgment is for unbelievers only, as it is stated the dead are raised. Born again children of God are not dead, they have crossed over from death to life at the very moment they believed in Jesus for Eternal life.

Even the sheep and goats is not a judgement to see who is a sheep and who is a goat. That is already established the people are already either a sheep or a goat, they are divided because they are going in different directions.

Yeah, but it says all nations will be gathered before him at the GWT, and that he will separate the sheep from the goats and that the sheep from among those will be saved though?

Whether it's already known which are which before that happens or not doesn't matter, since the sheep from among those ones will be saved, unless you're saying they won't be, etc?

 

[Neogaia777]

I'll tell you the belief that I hold to, and that is that there are only two judgements that really matter. The first one is deciding who is resurrected or is already there to take place in the first resurrection/judgement to take place in the millennial kingdom during Jesus 1000 year rule and reign on earth after Armageddon, etc.

And then the next one or very last one is right before this earth is dissolved, or is done away with, and that is right before anyone gets into heaven, takes place after that, or after the very end of the millennial reign/first resurrection/judgement after that, etc, when those who were from the first resurrection/judgement that got to take part in the millennial kingdom/first resurrection/judgement join those who are resurrected during the second and very last resurrection/judgement to see who gets to get into heaven after that, or is cast into the lake of fire after that, before this earth is completely done away with, or is dissolved, or is no more, and another whole other new one is made/started/put in it's place after that, etc, but that believers (and also some non-believers) from both resurrections/judgements either go to heaven or the lake of fire after that, etc.

The new earth is for a new start of new humans that will repeat much like it just already did for the rest of us here before that previously already again, but who are now either in the lake of fire, or are now in heaven (again) after that, etc. I say "again" because this whole process/thing is eternal always, and has already repeated many, many times (again), and will (always) be repeated/redone/remade many, many times (again) after that always, after this/that again always, etc.

All realms perpetual and eternal, etc.

New earths are for eventual harvestings for heaven, etc.

God Bless.

 

[d taylor]

Yeah, but it says all nations will be gathered before him at the GWT, and that he will separate the sheep from the goats and that the sheep from among those will be saved though?

Whether it's already known which are which before that happens or not doesn't matter, since the sheep from among those ones will be saved, unless you're saying they won't be, etc?

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No nothing about nations just the dead which are unbelievers

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Neogaia777]

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No nothing about nations just the dead which are unbelievers

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Well, Christians are divided on this issue, just so you know, ok. Some think that Matthew 25:31-32 (and on from there) (about the sheep and the goats) is also about the GWTJ just so you know, etc.

I told you what I think in post #53, and I'm sticking with that because it's the only thing that fits with the rest of (entirety, taken as a whole) God's Word, etc.

God Bless.

 

[d taylor]

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A major Biblical error seeing these two different events as being the same event.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Fervent]

You are very correct, it doesn't depend on our own works/righteousness, but there are some on this thread that still don't think they're ever going to be judged, etc.

If you've been deemed fit for faith in Christ, you've been judged.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

If you've been deemed fit for faith in Christ, you've been judged.

And I guess the real trick is learning how to walk after that, correct? Because I already know I'm guilty as all heck, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

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A major Biblical error seeing these two different events as being the same event.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Perhaps? But I just wanted you to know that opinions vary of the subject, etc. But, either way, and as for me, I'll stick to what I said in post #53.

God Bless.