Abortion

[ZiSunka]

I'd like a source.

But let's presume that is true. Shouldn't an abortion be available to those, say, pobably about 10 mothers each year?

Congressional Record. Look it up.

Maybe. But you don't run a whole industry off ten abortions a year. It becomes a medical procedure, not an industry. 10 abortions a year due to mitigating circumstances is a far cry from wontonly killing a million babies a year because they are inconvenient to their parents.

Imagine if there were spouse-killing clinics where husbands and wives could take their unwanted spouse to be exterminated. Better to kill them than have to put up with the idea of letting someone else have them, huh?

 

[ZiSunka]

They still occur. So a 100% no-abortion law would very much affect many women.


What gives you the right to state that they cannot use the abortion facilities available to women, or to simply malnurish themselves? It is their body, not yours.

"Every person's death diminshes me.
For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for me!"

 

[ZiSunka]

Because our bodies are not perfect, we are animals, and everything dies sometimes.

Bing Bing Bing!!! Correct answer! Now think about it.

What about flies, bacteria, viruses? They are killed all the time, naturally and on-purpose. You must prove that an embryo and/or foetus has inalienable rights.

Are flies, bacteria and viruses made in the image of God?

 

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"Every person's death diminshes me.
For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for me!"

If this were true, you would be nothingness. Due to all the spontaneous abortions...

 

[ZiSunka]

If this were true, you would be nothingness. Due to all the spontaneous abortions...

A human cannot be diminished to nothingness, because we bear the being that God gives us.

 

[Truncate]

Bing Bing Bing!!! Correct answer! Now think about it.

Yes...???

Are flies, bacteria and viruses made in the image of God?

Science deals with the natural world. What we can test, study, research, so we can disprove things. We can not disprove something such as the claim of a supernatural being and his/her involvement in homosapiens.

 

[ZiSunka]

So because you can't currently observe the spiritual world, it doesn't exist?

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

sorry for starting a fued, in a poll 80% of people admitted abortion was murder, 70 % of the 80% went on to say that it shouldn't be illegal, why?

how is it stepping all over the mothers rights? if she wants to abort her own body she has my approval, but she wants to abort, someone elses body and that isn't her choice to make, it isn't her body and it's not stepping all over her rights.

 

[ZiSunka]

Amen!

 

[Truncate]

So because you can't currently observe the spiritual world, it doesn't exist?

It may exist. But as of now, absolutely no evidence exists to show that it does exist. So it would be as feasible for me to state that the Michelin man made man in his image, and there is a marshmallow kingdom for those that love him.

 

[Truncate]

sorry for starting a fued, in a poll 80% of people admitted abortion was murder, 70 % of the 80% went on to say that it shouldn't be illegal, why?

Source?

how is it stepping all over the mothers rights? if she wants to abort her own body she has my approval, but she wants to abort, someone elses body and that isn't her choice to make, it isn't her body and it's not stepping all over her rights.

"Someone else's body" is the kicker. The embryo/foetus is not a person.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

Because our bodies are not perfect, we are animals, and everything dies sometimes.

We are not animals, we are created in God's image in that we are eternal, and that unlike animals who only have the gift of life and a conscienceness of life, we have life a conscienceness of life and a soul.

 

[BarbB]

Yes, this is definitely a tough one!

Before I was saved I was totally pro-choice. After one illegitimate baby and two abortions, I saw no reason to change my mind. After being saved, I realize how wrong I was and have been forgiven. So, now I'm of the opinion that all abortion is wrong. Because...

(can't remember where this is - Jeremiah perhaps - ) "I knew you before your were in your mother's womb". Might this have changed my mind - I doubt it because my heart was hard. As a Christian I can tell you that if I were pregnant (not likely at my age but IF) and the choice was me or my baby, I would definitely choose my baby.

Incest is a tougher question - I'll have to think about that.

God bless,

 

[ZiSunka]

It may exist. But as of now, absolutely no evidence exists to show that it does exist. So it would be as feasible for me to state that the Michelin man made man in his image, and there is a marshmallow kingdom for those that love him.

LOL! Then go and serve the Michelin Man! He makes good tires at least!

So if you have no evidence that it either exists or doesn't exist, then you can't really draw any conclusions about it's existence, so at best, all you can say is, "I don't know. Maybe."

 

[ZiSunka]

The embryo/foetus is not a person.

It's not a cat, it's not a dog. If you map it's DNA, it is most certainly human, distinct from all other humans. I believe that is the difinition of a "person".

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

a fetus is not just another part of a woman's body. A body part is defined by the common genetic it shares with the rest of the body. the unborn's genetic code differs from her mothers.some are male while others are female.

An unborn human is not just a blob of tissue. From the moment of conception the unborn is what it is..... A unique LIVING human being at 6 weeks you can detect a heart-beat, 12 weeks and hands and eyes develope, today several aborted babies organs are being sold like merchandise !!!!!!!

A fetus is not a blueprint or a potential human. A Fetus is a person at a certain stage of developement------as is a toddler or adolescent. the fact is something non-human doesn't become human by getting bigger or older.

Life does not begin at birth Science has shown us that human life begins at conception, all genetic characteristics are developed at conception, our recognition of birthdays is culteral, but not even close to scientific.

the early stages of human life are just as importantas any other. but if we listened to abortionists who base human value on size and inteeligence then we'd also have to de-humanize other members of society. handicapped, mentally retarded, the obese, ect...

 

[Supanova]

I totally echo your words newlamb. I too was for abortion before becoming a Christian and then it horrified me to think that I could even have thought that killing an unborn child would be ok.

There are so many references in the OT about God knowing us before we were even in the womb... and Psalm 139 just sums it up for me - to know who actually created me - and that no matter how conceived or what the baby is like (be it 'normal' or with some problems)- it was meant to be, God designed and made that baby that way and loves him/her for who he/she is.

Psalm 139:13-14 NIV
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well."

I praise God that I was given the chance to be born.

 

[Truncate]

Because our bodies are not perfect, we are animals, and everything dies sometimes.

We are not animals, we are created in God's image in that we are eternal, and that unlike animals who only have the gift of life and a conscienceness of life, we have life a conscienceness of life and a soul.

Evidence.

 

[Truncate]

It's not a cat, it's not a dog. If you map it's DNA, it is most certainly human, distinct from all other humans. I believe that is the difinition of a "person".

In some ways it is a "person." In many ways it is not. And, the most important way, that being scientific/medical, it is not deemed a "person," but an embryo or foetus, depending on the stage of developement.

Why are there no funerals for spontaneous-ly aborted foetuses?
Why are they not counted in the Census?
Pay taxes?
Counted as a dependent?

 

[ZiSunka]

Evidence.

I believe that science doesn't try to prove what is TRUE, it merely proves what is false. So, you have to prove that we DON'T have a soul.

Evidence?