Reckless to people, yes. Abortion is not. Embryos and foetuses are spontaneous-ly aborted all the time, and they are not humans, per se.lambslove said:
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Truncate said:
There is no logic in your argument. Murder involves an intent for one person to kill another. There is no logical comparason between an accidental death and a murder.
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Truncate said:
And adult people spontaneously die all the time, too. Should adult rights be taken away because some of them die spontaneously anyway?
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Because spontaneous abortions are NOT the intentional taking of a life. Like a child killed in an auto accident, they are unintentional loses of life, and not murder.
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What about all the spontaneous-ly aborted foetuses and embryos, shouldn't you be angry at the mothers' that these happen to? They got pregnant, creating a chance for the embryo/foetus to die...Knight said:
What about petitioning for more research, to help stop spontaneous abortions?
Also, with or without abortion doctors, women get abortions with "coat hangers," or just by malnourishing themselves and the embryo/foetus until it dies.
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No, because we can prove that they are all fully-grown humans, that are given rights in whatever nation they are born in. Not embryos or foetuses.lambslove said:
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Truncate said:
How awful! If they didn't get inconveniently pregnant in the first place, that wouldn't happen!
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You are not understanding my point. Since spontaneous abortions happen all the time, moreso than abortions by doctor, maybe god does not consider these embryos and foetuses human? Or does god not care about them?lambslove said:
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Truncate said:
Ah! Yes! Their rights are GIVEN to them. Adult humans have no rights except those that are GIVEN to them by their governments. Hmm... think about that one for a while.
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Pregnancy happens. Intentional or not, what makes it your right to force the women to carry the embryo/foetus to term?lambslove said:
What about rape, incest, molestation, etc?
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Truncate said:
Horse poo! You're clutching at straws! Maybe God doesn't care about people who have heart attacks, either, since he allows them to die from natural causes. Sheesh. Is that the best you can do?
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It is true. Look at all the sweatshops and labor-hell warehouses in countries in europe, asia, south america...they are not given the rights of even the animals in North America receive!lambslove said:
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Heart attacks are a side-effect of unhealthy living in many people, and in others it is naturally due to old age - everything dies!lambslove said:Horse poo! You're clutching at straws! Maybe God doesn't care about people who have heart attacks, either, since he allows them to die from natural causes. Sheesh. Is that the best you can do?
But, spontaneous abortions almost always has nothing to do with what the pregnant woman does. It happens naturally, all the time.
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Truncate said:
Abortions due to rape, incest and molestation are VERY rare. The vast majority of abortions are abortions of convenience, not contingency.
If you want to have sex, you have to accept the consequences of it. When you go bungee jumping, they make you sign a paper saying that you will accept the consequences of whatever might happen. Sex is a dangerous form of entertainment and shouldn't be engaged in unless you are willing to accept the consequences of whatever might happen.
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Truncate said:
No, heart attacks are caused by an inflammation of the blood. Don't you keep up with science? If you get this inflammation, no matter how responsibly you live, you are going to have a heart attack.
And yes, everything dies. Some sooner than others. To say that some embryos die naturally does not justify taking the life of another embryo. Some children die, but that doesn't justify the taking of another child's life so make things more convenient for it's mother.
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They still occur. So a 100% no-abortion law would very much affect many women.lambslove said:
What gives you the right to state that they cannot use the abortion facilities available to women, or to simply malnurish themselves? It is their body, not yours.
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This may be the truth, but in this case, is the abortion ok?
I tend to still lean towards putting the un wanted child up for adoption, many loving and christian couple are unable to have childre, i would rather see the child go up for adoption. However, pregnancy can take a tremendous toll on a woman's body, some more than others. This is why I ask, why is it not acceptable for a rape victim to have an abortion?
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Because our bodies are not perfect, we are animals, and everything dies sometimes.lambslove said:
And yes, everything dies. Some sooner than others. To say that some embryos die naturally does not justify taking the life of another embryo. Some children die, but that doesn't justify the taking of another child's life so make things more convenient for it's mother.[/QUOTE]
What about flies, bacteria, viruses? They are killed all the time, naturally and on-purpose. You must prove that an embryo and/or foetus has inalienable rights.
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