Abortion

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

One doctor said to another.

"I would like your opinion about the termination of a pregnancy. The father has syphilis. the mother has tuberculoses. Of their first four children born, the first was blind, the second died, the third was deaf and dumb, the fourth also has tuberculosis. what would you have done?"

" I would have ended the pregnancy," the second doctor said.

" then you would have murdered Beethoven"

 

[ZiSunka]

In some ways it is a "person." In many ways it is not. And, the most important way, that being scientific/medical, it is not deemed a "person," but an embryo or foetus, depending on the stage of developement.

You say.

Why are there no funerals for spontaneous-ly aborted foetuses?
Why are they not counted in the Census?
Pay taxes?
Counted as a dependent?

I've been to funerals for miscarried babies, haven't you?

Only living people are counted on the census. Dead people aren't counted.

Dead people don't pay taxes, either, because they neither earn nor spend, which is what taxes are based on.

Dead people have no expenses, so they can't be dependents.

 

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a fetus is not just another part of a woman's body. A body part is defined by the common genetic it shares with the rest of the body. the unborn's genetic code differs from her mothers.some are male while others are female.

According to science, it is not a fully grown human "person."
The genetic code differs, but came from the mother and the father, not from any deities.

An unborn human is not just a blob of tissue. From the moment of conception the unborn is what it is..... A unique LIVING human being at 6 weeks you can detect a heart-beat, 12 weeks and hands and eyes develope, today several aborted babies organs are being sold like merchandise !!!!!!!

Many animals have heartbeats, hands, eyes, yet it is legal to kill/put-down them. Heartbeat does not equal fully grown human.

And, what about stillborn children? Born with no heartbeat, or no heart, or no brain, or a severely limited brain?

About the so-called abortion tissue/organs, if this is true, they are not sold as "merchandise," but to help living people with physical disabilities.

The thalidomide pills in the US/Canada and abroad caused many children to be born with severe defects, are they not human?

A fetus is not a blueprint or a potential human. A Fetus is a person at a certain stage of developement------as is a toddler or adolescent. the fact is something non-human doesn't become human by getting bigger or older.

It is not about physical size. People with dwarfism are human beings.

It is more complicated then simply the size of the embryo/foetus.

Life does not begin at birth Science has shown us that human life begins at conception, all genetic characteristics are developed at conception, our recognition of birthdays is culteral, but not even close to scientific.

No scientist or textbook would ever state/claim that life begins at conception. Or the spontaneous-ly aborted foetuses and embryos would have funerals, and while "alive" they would be counted for the Census, and as a dependent.

the early stages of human life are just as importantas any other. but if we listened to abortionists who base human value on size and inteeligence then we'd also have to de-humanize other members of society. handicapped, mentally retarded, the obese, ect...

It is not the abortion doctors themselves that state that embryos and foetuses are not fully grown, human "persons," it is scientific research and study. Also, if it was based on size or intelligence, people with dwarfism would not be considered human, nor people with many mental-disabilities that affect intelligence.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

truncate animals have no morals. if we teach in schools that you are an animal it shouldn't superise you that people are going to start acting like animals, when evolution was put into our textbooks unmarried pregnancies went up crime went up, serious crimes, yet one thing went down un-married people giving birth, (abortion) if we teach in schools "johnny your nothing but an animal" how can we expect today's youth to behave like what they are? men created in God's image with a soul and a conscience?

 

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One doctor said to another.

"I would like your opinion about the termination of a pregnancy. The father has syphilis. the mother has tuberculoses. Of their first four children born, the first was blind, the second died, the third was deaf and dumb, the fourth also has tuberculosis. what would you have done?"

" I would have ended the pregnancy," the second doctor said.

" then you would have murdered Beethoven"

Source?

Parables are not apart of science.

Anyways, Beethoven was in no way better than anyone else, or worth more.

 

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You say.

No, scientists do, based on years of study and research.

I can say the same thing about your claim of homosapiens being "created by god in his image" = "you say."

I've been to funerals for miscarried babies, haven't you?

Really? They must be quite rare, and many "die" much younger than some others.

Only living people are counted on the census. Dead people aren't counted.

While the embryo or foetus is "alive" in the mother.

Dead people don't pay taxes, either, because they neither earn nor spend, which is what taxes are based on.

While the embryo or foetus is "alive" in the mother.

Dead people have no expenses, so they can't be dependents.

While the embryo or foetus is "alive" in the mother.

 

[ZiSunka]

Many animals have heartbeats, hands, eyes, yet it is legal to kill/put-down them. Heartbeat does not equal fully grown human.

Actually, in all states of the union, it is illegal to abort a pet's fetuses merely because they are inconvenient to the owner. There has to be a medical reason to abort them. There is

So, dogs get more respect than humans in this case.

 

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truncate animals have no morals. if we teach in schools that you are an animal it shouldn't superise you that people are going to start acting like animals, when evolution was put into our textbooks unmarried pregnancies went up crime went up, serious crimes, yet one thing went down un-married people giving birth, (abortion) if we teach in schools "johnny your nothing but an animal" how can we expect today's youth to behave like what they are? men created in God's image with a soul and a conscience?

We are animals: primates, homosapiens to be more specific.

People do act like animals, because we are animals.

 

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Actually, in all states of the union, it is illegal to abort a pet's fetuses merely because they are inconvenient to the owner. There has to be a medical reason to abort them. There is

So, dogs get more respect than humans in this case.

I was referring to dogs/cats that are old and/or violent and/or sick that are put-down.

Anyways, source?

And if this is true, the mother is doing this to the embryo or foetus inside her own body, not to the pig/dog/cat's body.

 

[tcampen]

Statistically, incest is a factor in 1 out of 1 million abortions. (Choice between the life of the mother or the unbordn child) Happens in 1 out of 100,000 abortions.

Rape is not a one in a million event, How about that? And regardless of the odds, the question still stands, which highlights the moral dilemma whether one chooses to ignore it not.

But you were that same 32 cells once. What is the difference between you and that 32 cells? If it's number of cells, how many does it take to make a person human?

Right or wrong, there is a recognized difference between the child that is born and not born. Age is determined by the date of birth, not conception. We don't celebrate "Conception Day" once a year. We don't have the same funerals for the pregnancy that ends in miscarriage three weeks after conception as we do for the three week old baby. I'm not making a moral judgement on these things, but simple pointing it out as a fact of our society - right or wrong.

 

[tcampen]

Actually, in all states of the union, it is illegal to abort a pet's fetuses merely because they are inconvenient to the owner. There has to be a medical reason to abort them. There is

So, dogs get more respect than humans in this case.

Uh, this is absolutely new to me. Could you please point me to which law in, say, California, states this? Being a former criminal prosecutor, I'm shocked I missed this law. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Just a thought, but if this were true, it would be totally at odds with the euthenasia that occures in a vast majority of animal shelters. I think you're going to have some problems supporting this claim. But if the law is there in all 50 states, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong on this issue.

 

[ZiSunka]

Anyways, Beethoven was in no way better than anyone else, or worth more.

No, but he's not worth less, either.

 

[foolsparade]

I remember once seeing a bumper sticker that said; "chose life, your mother did" after I thought about this for a few seconds, I realized that the statement is ok. The brainless folks that came up with slogan probably wanted to apply there own moral agenda, but my mother did CHOOSE to have me. I wasn't a mistake or an accident or a pregnancy that she was forced by a GOVERNMENT to carry out!

 

[Serapha]

HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER,

You have certainly opened a can of worms.... and most of the worms are squirming.

Don't be concerned that your first posting brought such an onslaught of answers, be encouraged that those in the world still need enlightening to the teachings of God.

Just because a government deems that abortion is an acceptable practice does not mean that it is an acceptable practice to God. Governments deem that divorce is acceptable while the Word of God is specific in stating that God hates divorce.

God doesn't want marriage partners separated, by would God want babies separated from their mothers? After all, God created the cord to attach the child to the mother until such time that the child could survive on its own.

~malaka~

 

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I believe that science doesn't try to prove what is TRUE, it merely proves what is false. So, you have to prove that we DON'T have a soul.

Evidence?

When you make a claim about a soul, which is "supernatural," it's on you to provide evidence, any at all.

 

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No, but he's not worth less, either.

If he was spontaneous-ly aborted, he would have been.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

thanks Malaka, you couldn't be any more right

God bless

 

[draper]

An unborn human is not just a blob of tissue. From the moment of conception the unborn is what it is..... A unique LIVING human being at 6 weeks you can detect a heart-beat, 12 weeks and hands and eyes develope, today several aborted babies organs are being sold like merchandise !!!!!!!

So what if the fetus is aborted 2 weeks into the pregnancy?

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

pictures of abortions:

http://www.abortionno.com/Resources/pictures.hmtl

 

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pictures of abortions:

http://www.abortionno.com/Resources/pictures.hmtl

No thanks. Some flesh and blood post-procedure does not prove that the flesh in question is/was a person.