Abortion

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

hey people,

Just signed up today, anyways what does everyone think about abortion? I've been taught that "fetuses" don't have a soul until they are born, until they can breathe, and it's biblical, also that babies are parasites (that means we should kill the mentally retarded too)

So when do people get their souls? upon conception? or upon birth?

Thanks your bro in christ

 

[moerunamida]

That's hard to say for sure but they are 'people' the second they are conceived and killing them is sin IMO.

~Mandie

 

[Truncate]

They are people when they are born, giving them human dignity and rights.

 

[Serapha]

what does everyone think about abortion? I've been taught that "fetuses" don't have a soul until they are born, until they can breathe, and it's biblical, also that babies are parasites (that means we should kill the mentally retarded too)

So when do people get their souls? upon conception? or upon birth?

What do I "think"?

I "think" that the soul and spirit are different aspects of man. The spirit is the breath of life, given by God when we take our first breath, and is that which is returned to God at death.

The soul, though, is the inner man, the will, the intellect, emotions, thoughts, decision-making ability, or discernment. In Hebrew, it is a concept and not just a word that can be defined. The spirit may be recognized as the life principle bestowed on man by God, the soul as the resulting life constituted in the individual, the body being the material organism animated by soul and spirit.

Therefore, when I view a sonar image of a baby being aborted, and I see the baby attempting to move away from the instruments which are trying to destroy it, that fetus has made a decision that it doesn't like what is happening and it is trying to move away from the circumstance in the only way it knows how. That is the will, the intellect, the discernment, and the decision-making abilty that God gives each person through their soul. Therefore, I can know that the soul is in existence in a fetus before it breaths the breath of life and receives it's spirit from God.


"THAT's" what I think.


~malaka~

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

thanks malaka, I never really thought of that before.

God bless

 

[Philosoft]

Would that there was no need for abortion.

Here's a problem. Suppose abortion is illegal. Now, what are the logical implications insofar as the state is concerned?

Here's one - State: "You, as a pregnant woman must attempt to give birth to your child-to-be."

Now, the contrapositive of that is, "You, as a pregnant woman, must not attempt to give birth to your child-to-be."

These statements are logically equivalent, insofar as the law is concerned.

A recourse for the state would be to declare the latter statement unacceptable because it is morally wrong to murder a person. Unfortunately, bestowing legal personhood on an embryo is a dubious proposition, at best. They would have to be counted in the census, for one thing.

 

[Truncate]

Would that there was no need for abortion.

Here's a problem. Suppose abortion is illegal. Now, what are the logical implications insofar as the state is concerned?

Here's one - State: "You, as a pregnant woman must attempt to give birth to your child-to-be."

Now, the contrapositive of that is, "You, as a pregnant woman, must not attempt to give birth to your child-to-be."

These statements are logically equivalent, insofar as the law is concerned.

A recourse for the state would be to declare the latter statement unacceptable because it is morally wrong to murder a person. Unfortunately, bestowing legal personhood on an embryo is a dubious proposition, at best. They would have to be counted in the census, for one thing.

Very well said. Choice is needed.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

check out www.abortionno.com

 

[skaven]

i personally think abortion is wrong! if you were to have sexual relations with someone with out using a condom or a form of protection then you should take the responsabilty for that child born or not. It is part of you..and I feel you kill it...you kill part of yourself.

 

[JillLars]

I don't think abortion is a morally correct choice, but I do believe it depends on the circumstances. I believe that people should make responsible choices, but try telling people that nowadays. I have questions about whether or not life actually begins at conception, because there are many eggs that are fertalized that never reach the implantation stage. I would not compare babies to parasites, and use that as an argument for abortion, in some respect, we are all parasites. Yes we can walk and get food if we need it, but what if its not there, we depend on others to supply is with the things we need, very few of us are actually completely fully self sufficient, and even if we were, we'd still be depending on the earth, the environment to get what we need. I dunno, I know that if I became pregnant, abortion would not be an option.

 

[Polish Guy Wo Loves God]

AAAHHH!!!! I dont believe what I am hearing! Fellow Christians talking as if a baby is merely a pawn in some governmental war! Shame be cast upon all of you(except jillars and skaven)!

 

[Knight]

Abortion is wrong any way you look at it.

 

[draper]

[qb]i personally think abortion is wrong! if you were to have sexual relations with someone with out using a condom or a form of protection then you should take the responsabilty for that child born or not. It is part of you..and I feel you kill it...you kill part of yourself.[/qb]

Now what if a condom and other preventative forms were used and someone still got pregnant?

I think that abortion should be someone's choice. I wouldn't recommend a woman get one but if a 10 year old is raped then I don't see how anyone could say that the 10 year old must be forced to give birth.

Also I think rape victims should not need to bear a child should they become pregnant.

Is the pro-life movement to out law abortions or convince people that they're immoral?

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

Lol, I think abortion is murder no matter what, but what I'm looking more for is when do people Get their souls (thanks malaka) and what you would say to a person considering of getting an abortion, are you going to walk up to them and say "you get an abortion and you'll go to hell" or "abortion is murder." and what I'm also looking for is what you would say to a person who thinks that thinks it's biblical, thanks

God bless

 

[Knight]

Now what if a condom and other preventative forms were used and someone still got pregnant?

One of the "risks' of sex is pregnancy. There is no contraceptive that is 100% effective. If you don't understand that then you shouldn't be having sex.

Is the pro-life movement to out law abortions or convince people that they're immoral?

I'd say that the Pro-life movement is out to convince people that abortion is wrong.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

I think that pro-lifers are out to say it's wrong and make it illegal and abolish it.

several (most everyone) people think that murder is wrong and immoral, and the same people have made laws against it.

pro-lifers can do the same thing

 

[Vylo]

Mentally retarded people do not develop into full independent human beings, fetuses (in most cases) do. Parasites, cancer etc. also do not develop into human beings, I believe there is a distinction there that should not be brushed off as trivial.

 

[ZiSunka]

hey people,

Just signed up today, anyways what does everyone think about abortion? I've been taught that "fetuses" don't have a soul until they are born, until they can breathe, and it's biblical, also that babies are parasites (that means we should kill the mentally retarded too)
Thanks your bro in christ

Who taught you that and where did they get their information from?

Were you a parasite when you were in your mother's womb? Will your children be parasites while they are gestating? If children are parasites, at what point to they become loved little humans, at birth, when they take their first breath, or when they graduate from college?

 

[ZiSunka]

Now what if a condom and other preventative forms were used and someone still got pregnant?

The time to choose is before you have sex, not after you conceive. If you are not ready to raise a family, you ought not have sex, since reproduction is the biological purpose of sex. It's like saying, "I want to crash my car into a wall at 60 miles per hour because it's fun, but I don't want to die. If I die, it's not my fault, it's the car's fault for not protecting me better."

 

[Knight]

The time to choose is before you have sex, not after you conceive. If you are not ready to raise a family, you ought not have sex, since reproduction is the biological purpose of sex. It's like saying, "I want to crash my car into a wall at 60 miles per hour because it's fun, but I don't want to die. If I die, it's not my fault, it's the car's fault for not protecting me better."

Good analogy. Mind if I steal it sometime?