Abortion

[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
You and me are cool. I was just choosing my time to jump into this discussion, and figured that everyone should know where I am coming from.

No, what I meant was, wow, I'm not about to argue with this guy. You and me are definitely cool.

I love your quote. Pulp Fiction is one of my top five favorite movies ever.

Oh, thanks! There were other Pulp Fiction quotes I would have preferred to use but I think this is the only one I could have gotten away with here. I think you know the ones I'm talking about.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


What if it was your daughter? Your baby? Who your father RAPED? You would force her to carry that baby as long as she could? I think not. Do you have children?

I'll just give my opinion and answer the questions as they were listed.


Question: "What if it was your daughter? Your baby? Who your father RAPED?"

My Answer: Before or after I kicked the ever-loving crap out of him, and made him wish that he had never even had an itch down there ?

Question: "You would force her to carry that baby as long as she could? Do you have children?"

My Answer: In answer to the second question, yes. My wife just gave birth to our first beautiful baby, ten months ago. If you have never experienced parenthood, let me tell you, it changes your perspective on absolutely EVERYTHING.

I was the guy who never liked or wanted kids. But the very instant that we found out that we were pregnant, my whole world changed. And believe me, if anyone had told me that my son was not a real baby just because he was still in the womb, they would have gotten punched right in the snozz.

first question: Since I have a son, I will just have to speculate. What I would personally do is support her without wavering, telling her that she herself had done absolutely nothing wrong. Then I would tell her that the baby she is carrying has done nothing wrong to her, even if it's father did. Then I would encourage her toward adoption or keeping the child. Whichever she was more comfortable with.

But in the end, whatever decision that she makes would be hers. I would love my child regardless of what decision was made.

 

[GTX]

This has been a good thread.

I think Mallory made it clear that her position is... (from a Christian or Moral standpoint), is there EVER a reason abortion could be justified?

Given ALL possible scenario's the answer should be a definite YES. There are circumstances no matter how slim the odds (even 1 in googol) that would justify an abortion.

It is clear that convenience abortions are not acceptable from all standpoints.

Peace out

 

[Auntie]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist

Speaking as a human being that was born out of the rape of a 13 year old girl:

Thankfully my birth mother (she and i are on good terms now) was more concerned with the life of another than her own.

I am glad you are here MyJhongFist.

I can believe that the body of a 13 year old can have the ability to carry a baby to full term, as your mother obviously did.

But, I don't believe a 9 year old could survive a full term pregnancy. I may be wrong, I am not a doctor. Is there any record of a 9 year old giving birth? I don't know. I think the 9 year old would probably have a miscarriage, or else she and the unborn child would both die.

And how would the law view this? Forcing a 9 year old to endure a pregnancy to full term sounds like child abuse and child endangerment. And if the 9 year old dies as a result of the pregnancy, I would blame her parents for her death as they have neglected the health of their little daughter.

Physically speaking, there is a big difference between a 13 year old and a 9 year old.

 

[TheRighteousWay]

Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um


I am glad you are here MyJhongFist.

I can believe that the body of a 13 year old can have the ability to carry a baby to full term, as your mother obviously did.

But, I don't believe a 9 year old could survive a full term pregnancy. I may be wrong, I am not a doctor. Is there any record of a 9 year old giving birth? I don't know. I think the 9 year old would probably have a miscarriage, or else she and the unborn child would both die.

And how would the law view this? Forcing a 9 year old to endure a pregnancy to full term sounds like child abuse and child endangerment. And if the 9 year old dies as a result of the pregnancy, I would blame her parents for her death as they have neglected the health of their little daughter.

Physically speaking, there is a big difference between a 13 year old and a 9 year old.

I think I would have to agree totally with you on this!
being 9 and 13 is a big difference mabye not just by 4 yeas but by growth alone..

 

[GTX]

Auntie, Righteous, JhongFist'

I totally agree here, in this scenario of a 9 year old it would be the right thing to do to abort. Otherwise the 9 year old child could die. In this case we cannot lose 2 children to a tragedy, only 1.

Ugly scenario, but a possibility, so it looks as though this would be justified abortion.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by GTX
In this case we cannot lose 2 children to a tragedy, only 1.

Ugly scenario, but a possibility, so it looks as though this would be justified abortion.

As I have not been able to ask God what His personal opinion is on the subject, I will have to agree.

It sounds logical.

However, if a particular 9 year old was capable of carrying the child to term without risk, I would have to say that she should have it.

There is also a part of me that assumes that nature is so well designed, that no woman/girl would be able to conceive unless she was able to carry to full term.

That's the way it works in the animal kingdom. I would assume that it works that way in the case of humans as well.

But then, I do not have the scientific data to back it up. If anyone does, please feel free to chime in.

 

[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
There is also a part of me that assumes that nature is so well designed, that no woman/girl would be able to conceive unless she was able to carry to full term.

That's the way it works in the animal kingdom. I would assume that it works that way in the case of humans as well.

But then, I do not have the scientific data to back it up. If anyone does, please feel free to chime in.

Um, so not true. Ever heard of miscarriages?

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


Um, so not true. Ever heard of miscarriages?

miscarriages sometimes occur in women who would otherwise be perfectly able (according to age) to carry a child.

Miscarriage occurs when something goes when there are problems with an individual pregnancy, and it cannot continue. It has nothing to do with age.

The age thing was my point. It is just so hard for me to believe that a woman's body would mature to the point of conceiving without also maturing to the point of carrying.

Once again, if anyone has the science, please chime in. I am open.

 

[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
miscarriages sometimes occur in women who would otherwise be perfectly able (according to age) to carry a child.

Miscarriage occurs when something goes wrong with an individual pregnancy. It has nothing to do with age.

Oh, okay, well you said a woman wouldn't conceive if she wasn't able to carry to term. A miscarriage (barrring trauma like a fall or an right hook) occurs when a woman conceives but just can't handle it.

Some women do have miscarriages repeatedly because they keep getting pregnant but for some reason can't carry a baby to term. I think that's what you were talking about, right?

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


Oh, okay, well you said a woman wouldn't conceive if she wasn't able to carry to term. A miscarriage (barrring trauma like a fall or an right hook) occurs when a woman conceives but just can't handle it.

Some women do have miscarriages repeatedly because they keep getting pregnant but for some reason can't carry a baby to term. I think that's what you were talking about, right?

Actually, my point was in the area of age alone. As I posted before, it seems illogical to think that a woman's body would mature to the point of conceiving without also maturing to the point of carrying.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


Some women do have miscarriages repeatedly because they keep getting pregnant but for some reason can't carry a baby to term.

That, I agree with.

 

[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
Actually, my point was in the area of age alone. As I posted before, it seems illogical to think that a woman's body would mature to the point of conceiving without also maturing to the point of carrying.

Oh, strictly age. Well that's not true. To get pregnant all that has to happen in the woman's body is the ovary releases an egg. Carrying to term is way more complicated.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


Oh, strictly age. Well that's not true. To get pregnant all that has to happen in the woman's body is the ovary releases an egg. Carrying to term is way more complicated.

Well, like I said, I do not know the science of the matter. I was just going on my logical assumptions alone.

It does not seem that the human body, as intelligently put together as it is, would mature to the point of starting something that it could not finish. Why would the female's body release an egg that it knew would not be able to mature? Ya know?

 

[MyJhongFist]

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[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist


Well, like I said, I do not know the science of the matter. I was just going on my logical assumptions alone.

It does not seem that the human body, as intelligently put together as it is, would mature to the point of starting something that it could not finish. Ya know?

Well I thought my explanation was pretty logical. Menstruation marks the ONSET of puberty. At some point the ovaries starts releasing eggs, which triggers the developpment of the rest of the body, including hips and breasts, which you really need to give birth. A baby girl is born with all the eggs she'll ever use in working condition. So when puberty STARTS those eggs are fine but the rest of the body is developping.

 

[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
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[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox

that was a mistake.

 

[Mallory Knox]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
that was a mistake.

Oh okay. I thought you were sticking your tongue out at me.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


Well I thought my explanation was pretty logical. Menstruation marks the ONSET of puberty. At some point the ovaries starts releasing eggs, which triggers the developpment of the rest of the body, including hips and breasts, which you really need to give birth. A baby girl is born with all the eggs she'll ever use in working condition. So when puberty STARTS those eggs are fine but the rest of the body is developping.

Well then, hearing the science of it, it seems that the decision should be based on an individual basis, after examination and opinion of a qualified health care practitioner.