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Well, good for you.Sure it was. I did not wish to have sex until marriage. Once I was married we delayed pregnancy but would have been ready to raise a child if pregnancy ensued.
I know what you pointed out. But just -learning- does not make a human. That was what I pointed out.Dogs learn before they're born? That's what I posted about regarding human babies.
Do you have some poll that shows most don't care about rape? There are obviously people raping, or we would not see such a huge problem. However, I don't think most approve at all. And where I am at there are a lot of community, legal, etc. efforts to combat human trafficking, etc.
Things like this really make me scratch my head. I hear about Christians trying to legislate their faith. Can I get a specific example of this?
“Blood and soil”....now where have I heard that before?Hello again Zephcom, being "BORN in America" in this case refers to/is solely concerned with the "place" of our birth, not the "moment" of our birth. The Constitution grants citizenship to those who are born here (or elsewhere, if the birth parents are Americans), but in doing so, it makes no attempt whatsoever to define when human life actually begins.
Jus soli, meaning "right of the soil", commonly referred to as birthright citizenship in the United States, is the right of anyone born in the territory of a state to nationality or citizenship.--David
Jus sanguinis, meaning "right of blood", is a principle of nationality law by which citizenship is not determined by place of birth but by having one or both parents who are citizens of the state. Children at birth may automatically be citizens if their parents have state citizenship or national identities of ethnic, cultural, or other origins.
Psalm 139
13 Thou didst form my inward parts;
Thou didst weave me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will give thanks to Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Wonderful are Thy works,
And my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from Thee,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth.
16 Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Thy book they were all written,
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
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You want them defunded federally only because some of their clinics provide abortion?We wouldn't have a problem with any of what they do if they just left abortion out of it. The rest of what they do is fine.
Actually the 14th Amendment states we are to not deprive any person of life.Our Constitution states that being BORN in America confers citizenship. That seems to be only place where where our guiding documents attempts to define when life actually starts. You simply assume that your belief defines the beginning of human life and wrap yourself in the flag to pretend the nation supports you.
And, in fact, the primary guiding document...The Constitution, seems pretty clear that life begins at birth and not conception.
One reason is because places like Planned "Parenthood" are good at portraying a woman's unborn baby as less than human--as just some sort of unwanted growth that needs to be removed to improve the woman's life. Makes the whole abortion process seem so simple, so harmless, and without consequence.
Indeed! We need to punish those dirty, dirty irresponsible women.
A lady in our church was on birth control and her husband wrapped it. They still got pregnant.Dirty? not sure where that came from, could you please explain? Are you saying it is responsible to become with child when you know before the fact if that happens your decision would be to abort it? Is the potential life of a child so not an issue with you, that you would treat it like say some cheap T shirt that got messed up while you were playing an unexpected game of tag football and after the fun's over, just toss it, not a big deal?
Also, do you think initiative to not kill babies is a bad thing?
No, I have 1 in 5 women getting raped. Do you see large bodies of Christians forming PACs to increase funding for rape follow ups?
Heck, do you see politicians doing much of anything about the huge pile up of rape kits that are not yet processed? I did not claim nothing was being done. I said I wished people would put as much effort into it as they do abortion.
Outlawed means nothing if the conviction rate overs in the single digits.The abortion fight is a national level contest to put in justices who favor upholding or overturning Roe VS. Wade, with the notion to ban a practice some see as immoral.
Rape is already outlawed. There is not a direct comparison on the two at all.
I agree 100% with your wording....and my bolded part?The fact that it is an issue that you can mention that many have heard of shows that some are trying to bring attention to the issue And once the issue was publicized a number of departments scrambled to fix the problem because they realized how upset people were about this. Most people before this simply didn't know. It is not the same as a national level context over justices.
Outlawed means nothing if the conviction rate overs in the single digits.
Not true at all. The left and Christian are two distinct things and are not mutually exclusive. There are Christian leftists who are pro-life and pro-Christ. But are against the right's values... I myself are centrist but lean to the left, and I am a fundamentalist born-again Christian. I have seen more ugliness and anti-Christ in the right wing group than the left even. Only thing I am "right wing" on is being against gay marriage and being against abortion. Everything else I am centre-left on. Jesus was considered a liberal back in the day for preaching against the old law of the pharisees. The pharisees were considered the hard right conservatives.The left is trying to subjugate Christians by not allowing us to put up crosses and nativity scene up in public places.
I agree 100% with your wording....and my bolded part?
They shouldn't be scrambling to fix the problem "because they realized how upset people were about this". a) the problem shouldn't exist at all.
BUT they should be scrambling to fix the problem because "it is a travesty of justice that assaults against women are not being properly investigated".
Have you spent any time at planned parenthood? I have, and they absolutely do not portray fetuses as “unwanted growths that needs to be removed to improve the woman’s life.” What is your source for that claim?One reason is because places like Planned "Parenthood" are good at portraying a woman's unborn baby as less than human--as just some sort of unwanted growth that needs to be removed to improve the woman's life. Makes the whole abortion process seem so simple, so harmless, and without consequence.
Please tell me where in that link they portray a fretus as a “growth” that needs to “be removed to improve women’s lives”You don't have to. Read their mission statement for yourself. Lots of flowery words that don't truly convey what they do: What is Planned Parenthood's Mission Statement?
"Leading the Reproductive Health and Rights Movement
On campuses and online, in statehouses and courts, in local communities, and in the media, Planned Parenthood is an outspoken , passionate advocate for policies that enable all people to access comprehensive reproductive and sexual health care, education, and information. Whether we’re talking to members of Congress, parents, or faith leaders, or arguing cases before the U.S. Supreme Court — we fight for commonsense policies that respect your right to make empowered, informed decisions about health, sex, and family planning.
Planned Parenthood has 10 million activists, supporters, and donors working to protect access to health care and fundamental reproductive rights nationwide."
Is the word “growth” in that one?If you need an even better example from them, here ya go:
Should I Get An Abortion? | Information to Help You Decide
They say that it's so common and without any moral consequence: "Abortion is very common, and people have abortions for many different reasons. Only you know what’s best for you, but good information and support can really help you make the decision that is best for your own health and well-being."
They make it sound as if the most trivial reasons for wanting an abortion are valid:
"Everyone has their own unique and valid reasons for having an abortion. Some of the many different reasons people decide to end a pregnancy include:
If you need more examples, just read their own website that I already provided you a link to.
- They want to be the best parent possible to the kids they already have.
- They’re not ready to be a parent yet.
- It’s not a good time in their life to have a baby.
- They want to finish school, focus on work, or achieve other goals before having a baby.
- They’re not in a relationship with someone they want to have a baby with.
- They’re in an abusive relationship or were sexually assaulted.
- The pregnancy is dangerous or bad for their health.
- The fetus won’t survive the pregnancy or will suffer after birth.
- They just don’t want to be a parent.
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