Abortion Poll

[rkymtnjesusfreak]

I voted the first option.

 

[Tangnefedd]

I think murder is far too strong a word when it means getting rid of a few cells, which only have the potential to be a new life.

 

[Kroger99]

I think murder is far too strong a word when it means getting rid of a few cells, which only have the potential to be a new life.

I'm gonna try this new PC stuff........I disagree

But I must say that I love your signature....lol

 

[Corran]

Biologically speaking, what biologists refers to offspring as a parasite?

Well for one our biology teacher during grade's 7-9

 

[Harlan Norris]

Well at this point it looks like a landslide victory for abortion. roughly 60% pro to 40% against. Many of the responders have said the fetus is no more than a parasite. This clearly shows what we've become as a people. You see we were all once these parasites, but for some reason, we were allowed to live. What we are as people is really a matter of choice. If we say that some don't deserve their life, well neither do we. We have basically decided that children are of no value. Nothing but an unreasonable burdon. Certainly nothing to be desired, or to care about. Pregnancy is not as many think, an accident. It is a willfull act. We all know how it happens. We just refuse to take responsibility. Am I going to picket the clinic? or maybe blow one up? No. What would that change? When hearts change, behavior changes.

 

[ej]

Give me another word that describes the parasitic existence of a fetus in a mother other then the word parasite and I'll be happy to use it.

Gestation.

If we're going to discuss the issue, lets at least get our definitions right - otherwise we're having emotive words mis-used in order to 'prove' an opinion. And that isn't big or clever, it's just plain annoying and a waste of space.

 

[ej]

The morning after pill works before the egg has properly implanted in the womb, so there is only a collection of cells, I have no problem with removing them.

You are only a collection of cells. Should I be allowed to buy a pill in order to murder you? If not, why not?

 

[Corran]

We all know how it happens.

You would be supriesed if you knew just how many teen's didnt know the detail's of how ppl get pregnant. This is partly because of abstinace only teaching in school's.

 

[Corran]

You are only a collection of cells. Should I be allowed to buy a pill in order to murder you? If not, why not?

Because its agasint the law?

 

[ej]

Well for one our biology teacher during grade's 7-9

I suspect your biology teacher was letting his/her personal opinion cloud his/her theoretical knowledge.

As a kid you may well have believed every single word your teachers said to be true - as a grownup, you're allowed to research for yourself and find correct answers when your teacher is incorrect (as yours was).

 

[ej]

Because its agasint the law?

I was hoping a discussion of morals could go past that level.

But if that's your personal reasoning (ie the law), you are very entitled to it

 

[Kroger99]

You would be supriesed if you knew just how many teen's didnt know the detail's of how ppl get pregnant. This is partly because of abstinace only teaching in school's.

When did they start teaching this in schools again?

 

[rkymtnjesusfreak]

Well at this point it looks like a landslide victory for abortion. roughly 60% pro to 40% against. Many of the responders have said the fetus is no more than a parasite. This clearly shows what we've become as a people. You see we were all once these parasites, but for some reason, we were allowed to live. What we are as people is really a matter of choice. If we say that some don't deserve their life, well neither do we. We have basically decided that children are of no value. Nothing but an unreasonable burdon. Certainly nothing to be desired, or to care about. Pregnancy is not as many think, an accident. It is a willfull act. We all know how it happens. We just refuse to take responsibility. Am I going to picket the clinic? or maybe blow one up? No. What would that change? When hearts change, behavior changes.

 

[rkymtnjesusfreak]

You would be supriesed if you knew just how many teen's didnt know the detail's of how ppl get pregnant. This is partly because of abstinace only teaching in school's.

I have a sincere question here, are these public schools? If so, than I am surprised. I figured all of them had some basic sex ed at least (not abstinece), but I am a homeschool mom so I wasn't sure exactly how it is taught in most public schools these days. I assume that many Christian schools teach abstinece.

I would follow this all up though with this. What is wrong with this all being made clear in the home by the parents? Whether a child attends public or private school, I would think that ultimately this is a subject that should be addressed by the parent. I think that if there were many more parents taking responsibility for this task in the home, there would be FAR FEWER abortions.

 

[Corran]

I suspect your biology teacher was letting his/her personal opinion cloud his/her theoretical knowledge.

Very possible

As a kid you may well have believed every single word your teachers said to be true - as a grownup, you're allowed to research for yourself and find correct answers when your teacher is incorrect (as yours was).

How do you explain the fact the the defenition of a parasite can be applied to a unborn baby then?

I was hoping a discussion of morals could go past that level.

But if that's your personal reasoning (ie the law), you are very entitled to it

Well I dont belive in morals, at least in the traditional sence so I wont comment any further on this then.

 

[Corran]

I would follow this all up though with this. What is wrong with this all being made clear in the home by the parents? Whether a child attends public or private school, I would think that ultimately this is a subject that should be addressed by the parent. I think that if there were many more parents taking responsibility for this task in the home, there would be FAR FEWER abortions.

I agree 110%

 

[Tangnefedd]

All children should be taught about sex and relationships from the earliest age, as soon as they ask questions in fact. Our children were able to ask us questions about every aspect of this subject without embarrassment. Too many kids jump into bed on their first date often from the age of about twelve, which is very sad indeed. All children should know about contraception, condoms should be freely available, because most kids have had their first sexual encounter before the age of 16, sad, but true. It is no good saying 'don't have sex' and expecting them to be celibate until marriage, they wont hear that message. Far better to empower them to say no to sex until they are in a meaningful relationship imo.

As far as I am aware my daughters did not have their first sexual experiences until they were 18+ and old enough to know what they were getting into.

 

[Archivist]

Splitting hairs again. LOL
For a breif second, I took your hypothetical game beyond the relm of rape. Please except my deepest and most heart felt apology. Now....back to the real hypothetical issue...lol
I think it is wrong to kill children (born or un-born), regardless if it was planned or not. I have stated over and over that if it came to that, I beleive that the life that is most savable should be spared. The child has done nothing wrong...why do you want to hypothetically Kill it?

Millions versus statistically few is hardly "splitting hairs."

Why do you accuse me of wanting to kill anyone, hypothetically or not? I certainly don't want to do that. However I do believe that the choice must remain with the woman, particularly in cases of incest and rape and when the woman's life is in danger.

First, I see it as Murder. Why does this bother you? Are you OK if I use the word Kill? How about Legal Homicide? Which word makes you feel better about killing un-born children? hypothetically...of course

When did I say that I was "bothered" by your use of the word "murder?" If you want to incorrectly use a word that is up to you. However, if you heard someone refering to "houses" as "trees" or using the term "televisions" when they should say "chairs," wouldn't you correct them? Murder is a legal term that requires specific elements. Abortion does not include all of the necessary elements, therefore it is not murder.

Secondly, Nope she didn't, but the child is not asking to be killed either. How could she take the life of this child. Is it to get even with the man that has taken something from her? Will murdering an innocent child make it all better? Do you really think that she will ever forget about that horrible event in her life...child or no child? The child has done nothing wrong...why do you want to hypothetically Kill it?

Again, I don't want to kill anyone. I just don't think that it is up to me to make the decision that a pregnant woman should be forced to carry the seed of the man who raped her. If she wants to do so, that should be her choice.

How about if I say that I don't think that you are right? Is all better now? It all really has the same meaning....right?

No, saying that someone is wrong and saying that you disagree with them are two very different things. I might disagree with your opinion, but I wouldn't say that you are wrong.

 

[ej]

All children should be taught about sex and relationships from the earliest age, as soon as they ask questions in fact. Our children were able to ask us questions about every aspect of this subject without embarrassment. Too many kids jump into bed on their first date often from the age of about twelve, which is very sad indeed. All children should know about contraception, condoms should be freely available, because most kids have had their first sexual encounter before the age of 16, sad, but true. It is no good saying 'don't have sex' and expecting them to be celibate until marriage, they wont hear that message. Far better to empower them to say no to sex until they are in a meaningful relationship imo.

As far as I am aware my daughters did not have their first sexual experiences until they were 18+ and old enough to know what they were getting into.

Very interesting. How about answering the questions I've asked in response to your previous posts in this thread?

 

[Kroger99]

Millions versus statistically few is hardly "splitting hairs."

Why do you accuse me of wanting to kill anyone, hypothetically or not? I certainly don't want to do that. However I do believe that the choice must remain with the woman, particularly in cases of incest and rape and when the woman's life is in danger.

This is the problem that I have with the "so-called" Pro-Choice crowd. You say that you don't want to kill babies yourself, but it's still OK for others. That to me is still promoting the Killing of Babies.

When did I say that I was "bothered" by your use of the word "murder?" If you want to incorrectly use a word that is up to you. However, if you heard someone refering to "houses" as "trees" or using the term "televisions" when they should say "chairs," wouldn't you correct them? Murder is a legal term that requires specific elements. Abortion does not include all of the necessary elements, therefore it is not murder.

You didn't have to say you were bothered. Either you are or you have just run out of amunition for the debate and decided to pick on my choice of words....lol
I think my wording (murder) is close enough to death for most people to understand what I am saying. If we end up in a court of law, I will remember your Legal advisory, but we are just having a conversation here, so I will stick to my thinking of Abortion = murder.

Again, I don't want to kill anyone. I just don't think that it is up to me to make the decision that a pregnant woman should be forced to carry the seed of the man who raped her. If she wants to do so, that should be her choice.

If we were talking about the woman getting a tatoo or something, I would agree with you. However, we are talking about the Killing of a baby! You are not convincing me that you don't support this....lol

No, saying that someone is wrong and saying that you disagree with them are two very different things. I might disagree with your opinion, but I wouldn't say that you are wrong.

I disagree....lol