Abortion Poll

[Corran]

So you think the definition of a parasite applies only to babies in utero. Okay

They might still be unable to take care of them self after being born and require some one else to do it for them but they no longer fit the pre requisits to be a parasite as they are no longer ON or In the host body.

 

[ej]

They might still be unable to take care of them self after being born and require some one else to do it for them but they no longer fit the pre requisits to be a parasite as they are no longer ON or In the host body.

An unborn child is not, by correct definition, a parasite.

If you believe it to be one (through a misunderstanding of biology, perhaps), you also need to include dependent people in your definition.

 

[Kroger99]

Yes, I realize that you did say that. Sometimes a dangerous pregnancy can be predicted in advance. Sometimes, however, it cannot be predicted. I'm speaking of the situation where a woman is raped, would like to have an abortion but cannot because you have outlawed abortions for victims of rape, then goes into labor and unexpectedly dies in childbirth. She would have lived but for your decision to stop her from having an abortion. I am asking what responsibility you would take for this.

LOL How often does this happen?

I wouldn't take any.
That death would be on the shoulders of the rapist. In most, and I mean....most cases.....A healthy child will be born. Who is to say that God does not have a special purpose for that child....even if the father is a dead rapist? Dead because my policy had him exicuted. Are you going to be the one with that on your shoulders just because you were raped and chose to kill the baby on the extremely small chance that you could die during delivery?

 

[Corran]

An unborn child is not, by correct definition, a parasite.

If you believe it to be one (through a misunderstanding of biology, perhaps), you also need to include dependent people in your definition.

I get what you saying but: The moment the baby is born it stop's being a parasite in the true sence of the word as it is longer attached to its host body. That is a very important to understand when we are talking about a parasite in the biological meaning of the word. Of course where we to use the slang meaning for Parasaite then we can apply this to the new born baby.

 

[Archivist]

LOL How often does this happen?

I wouldn't take any.
That death would be on the shoulders of the rapist. In most, and I mean....most cases.....A healthy child will be born. Who is to say that God does not have a special purpose for that child....even if the father is a dead rapist? Dead because my policy had him exicuted. Are you going to be the one with that on your shoulders just because you were raped and chose to kill the baby on the extremely small chance that you could die during delivery?

First, I find it interesting that you take no responsibility for you actions in a case such as this when your policy in this hypothetical would make you partially responsible for the woman's death.

Second, no woman should be forced to carry the child of her rapist.

Third, you who claim to favor life would execute the rapist. How you know that God did not have a special purpose for that rapist?

 

[Kroger99]

First, I find it interesting that you take no responsibility for you actions in a case such as this when your policy in this hypothetical would make you partially responsible for the woman's death.

My hypothetical policy will save the lives of many many inocent children. You apparently are ok with the loss of millions od inocent children due to Abortion (Murder). How selfish is that?

Second, no woman should be forced to carry the child of her rapist.

The baby has done nothing wrong. The baby did not rape anyone....Why Kill it?

Third, you who claim to favor life would execute the rapist. How you know that God did not have a special purpose for that rapist?

I do beleive that God had a purpose for this person too, but he chose to be a rapist instead. So now that he chose to be a rapist instead of fufilling God's purpose in his life.....I will have him exicuted for rape. My hypothetical policy will punish him in the fullest for what he has done to this hypothetical woman. my hypothetical policy will make sure that he never does this to anyone again. Not only that, but he will not ever harm or try to get custody of of this baby. (remember...This is America and stranger things have happened...lol)

Yes...when it comes to children, I am very Pro-Life. However, when it comes to criminal activity (Like rape and Murder), I lean towards a just punishment like exicution.

 

[Harlan Norris]

I voted murder. I suppose that if carrying to term would kill one, that it might seem like abortion is an act of self defense. The helpless fetus is completely dependant on it's mother. If one is Christian then one believes that this life is not everlasting, no matter what we do. So, to give ones life for that of a child is an act of faith. Christians are saved by faith.

 

[Corran]

Yes...when it comes to children, I am very Pro-Life. However, when it comes to criminal activity (Like rape and Murder), I lean towards a just punishment like exicution.

You are aware ofcourse that most rapist's & murder's are victims them self and often come from traumatic backgrounds such as for example yup you guessed it, rape victim's. While I agree that such indevidual's that might harm others should be remuved from society i hardly think it is "just" as you put it to punish them for things that they had no control over (drunken parents/child molestations/abusive school life etc, that play a large part of defining who they are today. Society today is very quick to judge as that is alot easier thing to do then to make a real effort to remuve the factor's that lead to once innocent ppl becoming murderer's and rapist's.

 

[Kroger99]

You are aware ofcourse that most rapist's & murder's are victims them self and often come from traumatic backgrounds such as for example yup you guessed it, rape victim's. While I agree that such indevidual's that might harm others should be remuved from society i hardly think it is "just" as you put it to punish them for things that they had no control over (drunken parents/child molestations/abusive school life etc, that play a large part of defining who they are today. Society today is very quick to judge as that is alot easier thing to do then to make a real effort to remuve the factor's that lead to once innocent ppl becoming murderer's and rapist's.

We have no choice as to who our parents are, but we do have a choice as to how we live our lives as adults. With that....you will have to work pretty hard to convince me that they had no choice, but rape incocent people. That is just silly so I will just pretend that did not even waste my time reading that....lol

 

[Lycaenidae]

That too many bozos are protected in the breeding department. This should be rectified.

You rule.

 

[Lycaenidae]

How about a parasite which is not inside their body, but is a parasite all the same?

Ectoparasites? I don't think children qualify as ectoparasites.

 

[ej]

Ectoparasites? I don't think children qualify as ectoparasites.

Unborn children do not qualify as parasites either - except for poeple who do not understand the definition of 'parasite.'

 

[Lycaenidae]

An unborn child is not, by correct definition, a parasite.

If you believe it to be one (through a misunderstanding of biology, perhaps), you also need to include dependent people in your definition.

Right. We're forgetting that the baby does serve a very important function for the mother - she is passing on her genetic material through it.

With that being said, the rights of the mother outweigh any rights the fetus might have.

 

[Lycaenidae]

do beleive that God had a purpose for this person too, but he chose to be a rapist instead.

So it is possible to thwart God. Interesting.

 

[The-Doctor]

I voted other.

 

[Kroger99]

So it is possible to thwart God. Interesting.

Ultimately....NO!!!
God will, will always be done. If not by you or I....through someone else

However, I beleive that we will have to answer for those things that was intended for us to do and didn't. Or in the case of Abortion...The killers will have to answer for those things. This is just my beleif, though.

 

[Corran]

We have no choice as to who our parents are, but we do have a choice as to how we live our lives as adults. With that....you will have to work pretty hard to convince me that they had no choice, but rape incocent people. That is just silly so I will just pretend that did not even waste my time reading that....lol

Ofcourse they are the one's that make the choise to rape/murder and that is why i said they have to be remuved from society.However since I count among my "freind's" ppl that have been convicted of Drug related crime's/violence sexual i cant help but think of how differant they would have turned out if they they would have had access to a normal childhood and not the hell they went threw.

The way you responded to my post is merely additional proof that is is so very easy for ppl that have had a "normal" life to judge those that where not that lucky. I wonder how you would have turned up if you would have been nailed to the wall by your ear's by your drunken father or lost a brother and been unable to press charge's against the ones that did it for fear of having your family killed.

For many ppl inflicting pain on others is merely a way for them to work threw the pain, their way to survive, I know its not fair for the victim but you have to understand that it is not the ppl that had a loving family that are doing this.

 

[Kroger99]

Ofcourse they are the one's that make the choise to rape/murder and that is why i said they have to be remuved from society.However since I count among my "freind's" ppl that have been convicted of Drug related crime's/violence sexual i cant help but think of how differant they would have turned out if they they would have had access to a normal childhood and not the hell they went threw.

The way you responded to my post is merely additional proof that is is so very easy for ppl that have had a "normal" life to judge those that where not that lucky. I wonder how you would have turned up if you would have been nailed to the wall by your ear's by your drunken father or lost a brother and been unable to press charge's against the ones that did it for fear of having your family killed.

For many ppl inflicting pain on others is merely a way for them to work threw the pain, their way to survive, I know its not fair for the victim but you have to understand that it is not the ppl that had a loving family that are doing this.

I have seen way too many people who have been through bad childhoods turn out just fine for me to even concider that as an excuse. They all know the difference between right and wrong.

 

[levi501]

Give me another word that describes the parasitic existence of a fetus in a mother other then the word parasite and I'll be happy to use it.

 

[Kroger99]

Give me another word that describes the parasitic existence of a fetus in a mother other then the word parasite and I'll be happy to use it.

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