Abortion Poll

[Corran]

I have seen way too many people who have been through bad childhoods turn out just fine for me to even concider that as an excuse. They all know the difference between right and wrong.

I never said that all ppl with a bad childhood turn out like that. I said that for many the only way they can get over these is by infilcting pain. Also I never said that this was right or justifiable in any way. All I have said is that alot of these ppl that you seem to think deserve death are the way they are today partly because of mater's that they had no control over. I my self had a terrible childhood that inculded abusive relative's/attempted rape as well as being diagnosed with tourette's syndrome as well as schizophrenia which lead to being bullied both verbaly and physicly at school to say nothing of the months spent in a mental ward because of psycotic episode's. Thanks to I dont know what I managed to pull threw more or less intact. However having been there I can fully understand the one's that dont pull threw.

 

[Corran]

Right. We're forgetting that the baby does serve a very important function for the mother - she is passing on her genetic material through it.

Wrong. While the baby serve's a purpose to the future of man kind it does not benefit the mother by doing so.

 

[Kroger99]

I never said that all ppl with a bad childhood turn out like that. I said that for many the only way they can get over these is by infilcting pain. Also I never said that this was right or justifiable in any way. All I have said is that alot of these ppl that you seem to think deserve death are the way they are today partly because of mater's that they had no control over. I my self had a terrible childhood that inculded abusive relative's/attempted rape as well as being diagnosed with tourette's syndrome as well as schizophrenia which lead to being bullied both verbaly and physicly at school to say nothing of the months spent in a mental ward because of psycotic episode's. Thanks to I dont know what I managed to pull threw more or less intact. However having been there I can fully understand the one's that dont pull threw.

Look...I'm sorry that you had a bad childhood and I'm glad that you pulled through.
My only points made were on the basis of abortion because of rape. It just makes more sense to me to kill the rapist instead of the Baby. The baby has done nothing wrong! Way too many people jump at the oportunity to murder unborn babies, but want to spare the rapist. Personally, I think that this is probably pretty rare in light of the big picture.

 

[Tangnefedd]

No woman should be forced to carry a baby conceived through rape. Fortunately in these days of the morning after pill, this situation is soon sorted.

 

[Autumnleaf]

No woman should be forced to carry a baby conceived through rape. Fortunately in these days of the morning after pill, this situation is soon sorted.

True, no woman should be forced to carry her children to term, that should come naturally out of love for the innocent human being within her.

The morning after pill = chemical abortion.

 

[Archivist]

My hypothetical policy will save the lives of many many inocent children. You apparently are ok with the loss of millions od inocent children due to Abortion (Murder). How selfish is that?

We are specifically discussing abortions occuring as a result of rape. I didn't realize that there were "millions" of pregnancies resulting from rape. I always thaought that the pro-life camp argued that relatively few situations fell into this rather narrow category.

The baby has done nothing wrong. The baby did not rape anyone....Why Kill it?

The pregnant woman also did nothing wrong. Why force her to carry the child of her rapist to term?

I do beleive that God had a purpose for this person too, but he chose to be a rapist instead. So now that he chose to be a rapist instead of fufilling God's purpose in his life.....I will have him exicuted for rape. My hypothetical policy will punish him in the fullest for what he has done to this hypothetical woman. my hypothetical policy will make sure that he never does this to anyone again. Not only that, but he will not ever harm or try to get custody of of this baby. Yes...when it comes to children, I am very Pro-Life. However, when it comes to criminal activity (Like rape and Murder), I lean towards a just punishment like exicution.

I think that other posts on this thread have shown that I am not the only person who has a problem with this reasoning.

 

[Tangnefedd]

The morning after pill works before the egg has properly implanted in the womb, so there is only a collection of cells, I have no problem with removing them.

 

[Kroger99]

We are specifically discussing abortions occuring as a result of rape. I didn't realize that there were "millions" of pregnancies resulting from rape. I always thaought that the pro-life camp argued that relatively few situations fell into this rather narrow category.

I beleive that I addressed the fact that relatively few situations fell into this rather narrow category. I don't really know the number, but you should get the picture without splitting hairs.

The pregnant woman also did nothing wrong. Why force her to carry the child of her rapist to term?

No she didn't at that point, but that changes the second that she murders her baby.

I think that other posts on this thread have shown that I am not the only person who has a problem with this reasoning.

You are not alone....that is for sure. Your still wrong, but not alone....lol

 

[Corran]

No she didn't at that point, but that changes the second that she murders her baby.

You cant use the word murder when talking about abortion as...

Murder:The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice

... abortion is perfectly legal in most of the civilized world.

 

[Kroger99]

You cant use the word murder when talking about abortion as...

Murder:The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice

... abortion is perfectly legal in most of the civilized world.

Yes, I am aware that it is legal to kill your unborn baby, but I see it as murder...Deal with it!

 

[CCGirl]

I respect your right to believe abortion is murder, I would never have and abortion, and I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy, and was not married, I chose to have the baby! (he is now 22), but I would never presume to impose my own beliefs on others, they can not make that choice for themselves.

I also do not think men should have an opinion on what a woman does with her body!

 

[Kroger99]

I respect your right to believe abortion is murder, I would never have and abortion, and I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy, and was not married, I chose to have the baby! (he is now 22), but I would never presume to impose my own beliefs on others, they can not make that choice for themselves.

I also do not think men should have an opinion on what a woman does with her body!

First...Congratulations on your choice to spare the life of your son. I'm sure that you love him very much.

Actually, I became a dad via unplanned pregnancy. (not me pregnant, but you know what I mean....lol). We stronly disagree on the father having a say on the childs birth. I was fortunant that it wasn't an issue in my case, but still the same. The girls (in most cases) have no problems going after money from dads but try to say that he has no say so in the birth....I don't buy it.

 

[AtheistPerson]

To be honest abortion is a good thing when it comes to having a baby grow up with young parents who cant feed or take care of the child and end up abandoning the child. Morality isn't the problem its the purpose.

 

[charityagape]

Parasite: An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

n 1: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host [ant: host]


Curious? Does anyone know of an parasite host relationship other than mother and child where the "parasite" is related too or even the same species as the host?

I've heard this argument before and while you can technically cram the mother child relationship into this definition, I don't know if a biologist would think the mother child relationship (prebirth relationship or mother fetus if you like better) truly is an example of a parasite host relationship.

 

[charityagape]

I get what you saying but: The moment the baby is born it stop's being a parasite in the true sence of the word as it is longer attached to its host body. That is a very important to understand when we are talking about a parasite in the biological meaning of the word. Of course where we to use the slang meaning for Parasaite then we can apply this to the new born baby.

Biologically speaking, what biologists refers to offspring as a parasite?

 

[charityagape]

Give me another word that describes the parasitic existence of a fetus in a mother other then the word parasite and I'll be happy to use it.

Gestation? Pregnancy? Conception and development of a child?

 

[Cian]

I believe abortion is acceptable up until the fetus could survive ex utero.

 

[Kroger99]

To be honest abortion is a good thing when it comes to having a baby grow up with young parents who cant feed or take care of the child and end up abandoning the child. Morality isn't the problem its the purpose.

I am yet to meet anyone who is so poor that they can't afford Beer and Cigarettes. Killing a child is not Moral anyway that you look at it. Either Raise the child, give it up for adoption or don't have sex. It's really that simple.

The Child Has done nothing wrong!

 

[Archivist]

I beleive that I addressed the fact that relatively few situations fell into this rather narrow category. I don't really know the number, but you should get the picture without splitting hairs.

You can't have it both ways...either this involves relatively few cases or you will save millions. You have tried to claim both. Of course you are the own who wants to deny the woman in my hypothetical the right to an abortion, then denies any responsibility if she dies.

No she didn't at that point, but that changes the second that she murders her baby.

First, it isn't murder. Second, she didn't ask to become pregnant and has no obligation to carry the fetus to term.

You are not alone....that is for sure. Your still wrong, but not alone....lol

I might disagree with you, but I would never say that your opinion is wrong. It is your opinion and you are as entitled to your views as I am to mine. It is sad that you view those who disagree with you as "wrong."

 

[Kroger99]

You can't have it both ways...either this involves relatively few cases or you will save millions. You have tried to claim both. Of course you are the own who wants to deny the woman in my hypothetical the right to an abortion, then denies any responsibility if she dies.

Splitting hairs again. LOL
For a breif second, I took your hypothetical game beyond the relm of rape. Please except my deepest and most heart felt apology. Now....back to the real hypothetical issue...lol
I think it is wrong to kill children (born or un-born), regardless if it was planned or not. I have stated over and over that if it came to that, I beleive that the life that is most savable should be spared. The child has done nothing wrong...why do you want to hypothetically Kill it?

First, it isn't murder. Second, she didn't ask to become pregnant and has no obligation to carry the fetus to term.

First, I see it as Murder. Why does this bother you? Are you OK if I use the word Kill? How about Legal Homicide? Which word makes you feel better about killing un-born children? hypothetically...of course
Secondly, Nope she didn't, but the child is not asking to be killed either. How could she take the life of this child. Is it to get even with the man that has taken something from her? Will murdering an innocent child make it all better? Do you really think that she will ever forget about that horrible event in her life...child or no child?
The child has done nothing wrong...why do you want to hypothetically Kill it?

I might disagree with you, but I would never say that your opinion is wrong. It is your opinion and you are as entitled to your views as I am to mine. It is sad that you view those who disagree with you as "wrong."

LOL
How about if I say that I don't think that you are right? Is all better now? It all really has the same meaning....right?