ABORTION POLL 4 - LAST ONE... I Promise

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Do you really believe that your scare tactics will be successful in swaying more people to your side of the debate?

scare tatics??? What the heck??? Now you all think I am using "tatics"?

I am not trying to sway anyone first off, secondly, I would not use "tatics" or manipulation. I have nothing to prove.

What I said was simply just another realization of the subject.

 

[Spike~]

I am sorry if I came off cold hearted, but I must admit, I am a cold herted person. Truth hurts, I was just stating it bluntly. Neverthless, my point still remains the same, and still remains true.

Thank you for your help and understand tracie and newlamb.

Truth?! What do you know about truth?

well it's murder if you do abort the baby. Take your chances witht eh docoto or take chances with God... hmmm..............

Uh, hate to burst your buble, but that's what they call a scare tactic, and only ppl who can't for themselves are fooled by it.

Forcing a woman to "sacrifice" herself for her unborn child, is murder.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Yes spike, I understand what you are saying, how many times are you going to repeat yourself?

I know truth. I can say many things about the arrogance and lack truth seeking within every single post you have stated towards me, but thats ok.

You can call it a scare tactic if you want **shrugs.** I am not asking a woman to kill herself, even though killing herself isn't murder, it's suicide but I will give the benefit of the doubt that your high intelligence knew that already and you just simply misplaced words. It's not a scare tactic, its truth and it's a situation that takes faith in God.

Your telling me that a mothers life is more important than a babies life. I disagree. I can see them being equal, but actually I see the baby being more important considering the mother has already had the chance to live where as the baby has not. A life for a life... sure does sound like what Jesus did, sacrifced himself for us. Oh, and what was it that he told us to do? Take up our cross and follow Him? I wonder if that means to die?
Do you see where I am getting at, spike? I don't know what your beliefes are, but so far, I have been basing EVERYthing on the bible and this simple idea of Christ dieing for us.

Please get of my case and state basing you posts on less emotion and more on reason.

EDIT: Oh yes, I also said NOTHING about FORCING a woman to do anything. The choice would be all hers, but I know if I were in her shoes, I know what the right choice would be. This is another example of you twisting my words, please stop. Thank you.

 

[flicka]

Your telling me that a mothers life is more important than a babies life. I disagree. I can see them being equal, but actually I see the baby being more important considering the mother has already had the chance to live where as the baby has not. A life for a life... sure does sound like what Jesus did, sacrifced himself for us. Oh, and what was it that he told us to do? Take up our cross and follow Him? I wonder if that means to die?

I think it depends on your definition of 'importance'. To you a womans life may not be worth that of a baby that has not yet formed beyond a zygote, but to her family, her husband, her children or anyone else who has a relationship with her it probably is. It's easy to say things until you have to face it yourself. If it happens then the woman has to make the choice, the important thing is that she has that choice.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

I think it depends on your definition of 'importance'. To you a womans life may not be worth that of a baby that has not yet formed beyond a zygote, but to her family, her husband, her children or anyone else who has a relationship with her it probably is. It's easy to say things until you have to face it yourself. If it happens then the woman has to make the choice, the important thing is that she has that choice.

exactly... and I hope to God my future wife will never have to make that choice.

Good post.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

good night everyone.

Peace n Godbless

 

[Spike~]

Yes spike, I understand what you are saying, how many times are you going to repeat yourself?

As many times as you repeat yourself.

I know truth. I can say many things about the arrogance and lack truth seeking within every single post you have stated towards me, but thats ok.

Then say it. I'ld really like to hear this.

You can call it a scare tactic if you want **shrugs.** I am not asking a woman to kill herself, even though killing herself isn't murder, it's suicide but I will give the benefit of the doubt that your high intelligence knew that already and you just simply misplaced words. It's not a scare tactic, its truth and it's a situation that takes faith in God.

I've been debating with Christians for years now, and I know a scare tactic when I see one.

What you're saying is that we can either agree with you, or face the judgement of a ****ed off God. And that is a scare tactic.

I don't know what your beliefes are, but so far, I have been basing EVERYthing on the bible and this simple idea of Christ dieing for us.

Gee, I didn't notice...

Get of my case and state basing you posts on less emotion and more on reason.

As soon as you start basing your posts on fact rather than faith.

EDIT: Oh yes, I also said NOTHING about FORCING a woman to do anything. The choice would be all hers, but I know if I were in her shoes, I know what the right choice would be. This is another example of you twisting my words, please stop. Thank you.

So, then you would support allowing legalized abortion in cases when the woman's life may be in danger?

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

You can't base fact on a hypopthetical situation... lol.... oh my that was great. Now you can use REASON on hypothetical situations. As a christian I base many things of faith and the word of God. Both are much more stable and carry more weight than what emotions do.... which is why I asked you to use reason. Instead you counter my idea by attacking the fact I use faith... tsk tsk.... how mature.

"So, then you would support allowing legalized abortion in cases when the woman's life may be in danger?"

It'll never happen so I won't have to worry about it. I don't base things on legalization, I could care less about legalization when it comes to abortion, cause it will always be a choice to the mother.
MORALLY (which is more important to me than legalization) she should have the baby no matter what.
Course you know that now You knew that since we first started this little "chat", or at least I HOPE you knew that.

"Gee, I didn't notice..."

This is why I don't like talking to people like you.. the small, cocky smart allicy comments that do nothing but help boost the speakers ego.

"Then say it. I'ld really like to hear this."

Sorry, I am not like you.

"I've been debating with Christians for years now, and I know a scare tactic when I see one.

What you're saying is that we can either agree with you, or face the judgement of a ****ed off God. And that is a scare tactic. "

well mr. 16 year old extpert, I have been debating atheists half my life as well... what does that mean? Absolutly nothing cause debating doesn't accomplish a darn thing. However, I have never been told it was a scare tactic. You are indeed the first to say that you found truth to be a scare tactic, I find that ironic.

 

[alfcantor]

I disagree with all types of abortion. In my opinion, there is always adoption as an option, or, even better, BIRTH CONTROL. If youre not ready to have a kid, make sure u use some birth control. Maybe common sense isnt so common anymore....

 

[mnmcandiez]

Abortion is always wrong. Dont matter if you were raped or ect. The baby did not choose to be brought into this world so who is the mother to choose its fait? She shouldnt have a choice if she wants to kill it be cause she slept around. And if she was raped and she hates that child so much she should give it up fo adoption. Atleast it has a chance to live and maybe even a loving adoption family. The baby is alive. Would you like to be murderd without even to be able to take your first a breath?

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Abortion is not only legal it is a woman's right.

Everyone is quick with the adoption word but there are not enough adoptive parents for the kids already born.

PS

It's not murder because it is legal.

PPS

Abortion the biggest non issue of them all IMO. Only in America does it seem a big deal. I can honestly say I lose no sleep over the issue and consider the abortions themselves as just lumps of protoplasm. A complete waste of time to even think about it.

 

[Matt Never Existed]

Ok, so I voted that there should be unrestricted access to Abortion. Here's my reasons.

I personally believe abortion to be wrong. But, I will never force anyone to live their life according to my beliefs. If a girl wants to have an abortion, thats her choice. BUT, I do wish that there was more promotion for giving the child up for adoption. Alot of couples who can't have children would love to adopt and start that perfect family of theirs. Not alot of people realize that there are alot of people who want to adopt.

But yes, I would let the girl have an abortion, as its her choice. But I would also show her complete unconditional love and respect her choices. I would show here that there are people who want to provide a loving home for that child.

 

[oldrooster]

I am not an abortion fan, but if the mother's life is at stake, I believe it should be permitted.

 

[Ceris]

^ditto.

 

[Susan]

It is my opinion that abortion is the absolutely unjustified taking of a human life. The whole "health of the mother" thing is a false front, IMHO, as someone who is in frail enough physical health to die in childbirth has an equal chance of dying in an abortion, and IMHO one needs to consider and accept all possible consequences (including death) *before* one has sex.

The only thing that kind of makes me waver a bit on my pro-life stance is the whole idea of rape, because that takes away any ability on behalf of the victim NOT to accept the consequences as they are forced on her. Even if she's decided she never wanted to engage in sex of her own free will. I still do not totally support abortion in that instance (as to me it is killing and therefore against my personal beliefs) and if it happened to me, I wouldn't choose it. . .but I don't know what I'd insist on for others in the same situation.

 

[jameseb]

I chose ~ When there are serious risks to the mother's health.

 

[oldrooster]

Susan - there are diseases like diabetes and others that can be deadly to women.

 

[jameseb]

Susan - there are diseases like diabetes and others that can be deadly to women.

EXACTLY ~ it was thinking of Diabetes that made my choice above.

 

[Rab Tull]

I voted 'none'. Protection of innocent human life is one of the few legitimate functions of civil government. Our culture is now officially barbaric.

Grace & Peace

 

[mnmcandiez]

I am not an abortion fan, but if the mother's life is at stake, I believe it should be permitted.

So your saying a mother should kill a life an innocent one because she has a risk of something happpenning to her. Isnt that a bit selfish to kill a child that has no choice but to be in her womb-- and then kill to it.